All Blacks v France
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v France:
@MN5
Our forward pack is starting to look rather fearsome.
How the heck did we make it to here.Started a few years ago - a combination of spotting talent (Vaa'i, Lomax, Sititi, etc) and easing them in, sticking with players going thru a bad period (Codie Taylor, Pat T), some continuity in coaching and injury (Sititi and Aumua).
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v France:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v France:
@MN5
Our forward pack is starting to look rather fearsome.
How the heck did we make it to here.Started a few years ago - a combination of spotting talent (Vaa'i, Lomax, Sititi, etc) and easing them in, sticking with players going thru a bad period (Codie Taylor, Pat T), some continuity in coaching and injury (Sititi and Aumua).
That's pretty rose-tinted.
Lomax had been better than Laulala for quite a while before Laulala got injured and Lomax got a chance. That's not easing someone in, it's holding them back.
Sititi was thrown in the deep end, again because of injury, he wasn't eased in - and he's a star.
Sticking with Taylor through a bad period could have been done without compromising AB performance and without shitting on the much better performing at the time ST.
Aumua has been used badly, as per my other post. Injury has again been our best selector again.Vaai has been good, and has stepped up from clearly 4th best lock with the departure of the two greats. He has had a well structured path. That's one.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v France:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v France:
@MN5
Our forward pack is starting to look rather fearsome.
How the heck did we make it to here.It was always going that way once we got a better props in De Groot and Lomax. The fact that we have real depth now at prop is a great foundation to build a pack on. With Sititi coming out of nowhere and Holland on the horizon, the AB pack can become outstanding over the next 12-18 months
Add in Lakai for Cane and if he can make strides as fast as Wallace, we could be young and dynamic very quickly
@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v France:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v France:
@MN5
Our forward pack is starting to look rather fearsome.
How the heck did we make it to here.It was always going that way once we got a better props in De Groot and Lomax. The fact that we have real depth now at prop is a great foundation to build a pack on. With Sititi coming out of nowhere and Holland on the horizon, the AB pack can become outstanding over the next 12-18 months
Add in Lakai for Cane and if he can make strides as fast as Wallace, we could be young and dynamic very quickly
Yeah I'd have Lakai on the bench against France. He can cover 6,7,8 if needed as well. He could be the perfect bench player for us over the next few seasons until Ardie's form drops right off and he takes his place.
A bench of forwards that include Aumua, Tu'ungafasi, Tosi, Tuipolotu and Lakai going forward is pretty damn impactful.
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@Number-10 said in All Blacks v France:
NZR have not changed Ireland to France in the update.
Silverlake money well spent bro
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v France:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v France:
@MN5
Our forward pack is starting to look rather fearsome.
How the heck did we make it to here.It was always going that way once we got a better props in De Groot and Lomax. The fact that we have real depth now at prop is a great foundation to build a pack on. With Sititi coming out of nowhere and Holland on the horizon, the AB pack can become outstanding over the next 12-18 months
Add in Lakai for Cane and if he can make strides as fast as Wallace, we could be young and dynamic very quickly
Yeah I'd have Lakai on the bench against France. He can cover 6,7,8 if needed as well. He could be the perfect bench player for us over the next few seasons until Ardie's form drops right off and he takes his place.
A bench of forwards that include Aumua, Tu'ungafasi, Tosi, Tuipolotu and Lakai going forward is pretty damn impactful.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v France:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v France:
@MN5
Our forward pack is starting to look rather fearsome.
How the heck did we make it to here.It was always going that way once we got a better props in De Groot and Lomax. The fact that we have real depth now at prop is a great foundation to build a pack on. With Sititi coming out of nowhere and Holland on the horizon, the AB pack can become outstanding over the next 12-18 months
Add in Lakai for Cane and if he can make strides as fast as Wallace, we could be young and dynamic very quickly
Yeah I'd have Lakai on the bench against France. He can cover 6,7,8 if needed as well. He could be the perfect bench player for us over the next few seasons until Ardie's form drops right off and he takes his place.
A bench of forwards that include Aumua, Tu'ungafasi, Tosi, Tuipolotu and Lakai going forward is pretty damn impactful.
And Proctor in the backs
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Nika Amashukeli is the ref, so I expect that the breakdown will be officiated differently again. He tends to allow more competing for possession.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v France:
Nika Amashukeli is the ref, so I expect that the breakdown will be officiated differently again. He tends to allow more competing for possession.
Don't mind competing, it's the cheating, flopping and folding that pissed me off about Berry.
Anyway, work experience has worked for this kid. Have rated his last outings.
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Some thoughts on the French after their game against Japan:
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I know it’s only Japan so it’s probably hard to get excited by that game as a French player but I thought the whole team still looked incredibly discouraged. Heads down, lack of communication, nobody smiling after the game. It was the same during the Six Nations, so it seems they’re still in a funk after the loss in the quarter-final. They’ll be targeting this game against the All Blacks as a way to get out of it.
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Antoine Dupont was remarkably loose in this game: passes hitting the ground, flip passes around the back to unexpecting players, going quickly after a penalty when it wasn’t on. After a penalty was reversed in favour of France, he took the ball and kicked quickly to catch the Japanese off guard, only for him to completely miss touch, leading to a Japanese counter-attack. Very different to the player of a couple of years ago, who could go 5 games in a row without making a single mistake. I don’t think the constant hype is really helping him.
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The breakdown is going to be crucial. The French are relentless in attacking the ball, and they have loads of players who can successfully poach. The ABs are going to have to prioritize securing their own ball first, before playing expansively, as the French backline with Dupont, Bielle-Biarrey, Penaud (who didn’t play this week but will be next) and Ramos are deadly on the counter-attack.
So the French are still in a post-World Cup rut but will be looking to get out of it against the ABs. Should be another great game in what has already been a terrific series of November internationals.
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"Antoine Dupont can nearly do it all on the pitch which is why the All Blacks, and potential opposite Cam Roigard, must have a plan, writes Patrick McKendry."
What? Top teams need a plan? This is extraordinary!
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@Mauss said in All Blacks v France:
the whole team still looked incredibly discouraged
They're French. I fully expect them to France at the drop of a hat.
@booboo said in All Blacks v France:
@Mauss said in All Blacks v France:
the whole team still looked incredibly discouraged
They're French. I fully expect them to France at the drop of a hat.
Bless the Fern, I'm learning new verbs all the time!
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks v France:
Antoine Dupont can nearly do it all on the pitch which is why the All Blacks, and potential opposite Cam Roigard, must have a plan.
Chuck Connors might need a plan against Du Pont, but it's Roigard we're talking about here.
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AJ Lam is already with the squad.
Otherwise, potentially a loosie/lock or two to hold tackle bags. Oli Haig and Fabian Holland are options but it's really anyone's guess. Haig was left out of Sunday's All Blacks XV team which could be read one of two ways. Holland was benched and is similar.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks v France:
Are we going DM back at 10 or is BB and CT making their way back via the bench?
100% they start DMac Staggering if they don’t
CT a possible starter.. But I hope used off the bench.
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks v France:
Are we going DM back at 10 or is BB and CT making their way back via the bench?
100% they start DMac Staggering if they don’t
CT a possible starter.. But I hope used off the bench.
Aumua has had a massive workload recently and Taylor has consistently been one of the all blacks best. He goes back to starting. Increases the potency of the bench as well
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v France:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v France:
@MN5
Our forward pack is starting to look rather fearsome.
How the heck did we make it to here.It was always going that way once we got a better props in De Groot and Lomax. The fact that we have real depth now at prop is a great foundation to build a pack on. With Sititi coming out of nowhere and Holland on the horizon, the AB pack can become outstanding over the next 12-18 months
Add in Lakai for Cane and if he can make strides as fast as Wallace, we could be young and dynamic very quickly
Yeah I'd have Lakai on the bench against France. He can cover 6,7,8 if needed as well. He could be the perfect bench player for us over the next few seasons until Ardie's form drops right off and he takes his place.
A bench of forwards that include Aumua, Tu'ungafasi, Tosi, Tuipolotu and Lakai going forward is pretty damn impactful.
And Proctor in the backs
@BerniesCorner
Proctor is not in France but in NZ for the birth of his child. -
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks v France:
Are we going DM back at 10 or is BB and CT making their way back via the bench?
100% they start DMac Staggering if they don’t
CT a possible starter.. But I hope used off the bench.
Aumua has had a massive workload recently and Taylor has consistently been one of the all blacks best. He goes back to starting. Increases the potency of the bench as well
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks v France:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks v France:
Are we going DM back at 10 or is BB and CT making their way back via the bench?
100% they start DMac Staggering if they don’t
CT a possible starter.. But I hope used off the bench.
Aumua has had a massive workload recently and Taylor has consistently been one of the all blacks best. He goes back to starting. Increases the potency of the bench as well
He hasn't had that heavy a workload - three Tests in three weeks and one was against Japan.
He's finally coming right with a string of long games so might as well give him the opportunity to keep building. Adding Taylor to the bench strengthens it too!
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This one is for Sam Cane
I hope he runs out first@BerniesCorner hearing Cane has been ruled out of Sundays game along with Mark Telea
Du Plessis Kirifi ,Fabien Holland & Chay Fihaki bought into the squad .
Hope this oil is wrong
