All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch
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Yep agree that this test is probably the least captivating encounter between these two teams ever and I think Hansen is so good now that I don't think we're likely to be overconfident and screw it up like previous AB teams at various incredibly memorable times in the past. I am still very interested in our march to pass that elusive 17 straight win hurdle though. Looking forward to playing England at the end of the year, think I read an article where Eddie Jones said he only needs to improve player performance by 3% to beat us. (The article's editor probably rounded that from 3.468129% because Eddie isn't that inexact)
@Rembrandt said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Yep agree that this test is probably the least captivating encounter between these two teams ever and I think Hansen is so good now that I don't think we're likely to be overconfident and screw it up like previous AB teams at various incredibly memorable times in the past. I am still very interested in our march to pass that elusive 17 straight win hurdle though. Looking forward to playing England at the end of the year, think I read an article where Eddie Jones said he only needs to improve player performance by 3% to beat us. (The article's editor probably rounded that from 3.468129% because Eddie isn't that inexact)
The build up to the 2007 Christchurch test before the RWC where they sent their B/C team was pretty uninspiring
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So do the Abs tweak thier gameplan with Ardie starting, or does Ardie have to play differently to fit the game plan at the start or is his play able to just slot into the current AB gameplan?
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So do the Abs tweak thier gameplan with Ardie starting, or does Ardie have to play differently to fit the game plan at the start or is his play able to just slot into the current AB gameplan?
@taniwharugby said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
So do the Abs tweak thier gameplan with Ardie starting, or does Ardie have to play differently to fit the game plan at the start or is his play able to just slot into the current AB gameplan?
@Canes4life thoughts on this ? obviously the ABs have the best lineout target ever to pull on a black jersey with that additional height but what else will he bring to the table ?
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@taniwharugby said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
So do the Abs tweak thier gameplan with Ardie starting, or does Ardie have to play differently to fit the game plan at the start or is his play able to just slot into the current AB gameplan?
@Canes4life thoughts on this ? obviously the ABs have the best lineout target ever to pull on a black jersey with that additional height but what else will he bring to the table ?
@MN5 said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@taniwharugby said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
So do the Abs tweak thier gameplan with Ardie starting, or does Ardie have to play differently to fit the game plan at the start or is his play able to just slot into the current AB gameplan?
@Canes4life thoughts on this ? obviously the ABs have the best lineout target ever to pull on a black jersey with that additional height but what else will he bring to the table ?
Turnovers. The All Blacks will let the Springboks win every lineout and then Ardie will swoop on them and steal it right back. Saves our tight five for the scrums.
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@taniwharugby said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11710301
Some interesting info there. Other than the WC final the only really close one was where DC did the droppie v Ireland to break the tie right at the end (that one point win over England in Dunedin not really that close as they were 15 points up and the game was won - England's last try came after the hooter).
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An awful lot of arrogance and nonsense talk on this thread as far as I can see
Bored with the All Blacks winning? Fuck off
Not entertaining enough for you ? fuck off
Not feeling emotions like you want to? fuck off
You in this thing for the All Blacks and what that organisation achieves and accomplishes or how much entertainment you're entitled too?
Fuck off with your 15 second attention span.
Real rugby supporters will once again welcome the physical and tactical battle with the old foe (and friends), the ABs will be hugely psyched and me behind them supporting all their efforts and appreciating the Boks, regardless of their success.
See that's what the ABs represent - striving for excellence, winning and being humble and respectful in the process
You won't catch them bemoaning the relative ability of the opposition or counting wins before they're earned.
I can't wait for another showdown between us and the Saffas, always a great occasion
and lastly, fuck off
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So do the Abs tweak thier gameplan with Ardie starting, or does Ardie have to play differently to fit the game plan at the start or is his play able to just slot into the current AB gameplan?
@taniwharugby said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
So do the Abs tweak thier gameplan with Ardie starting, or does Ardie have to play differently to fit the game plan at the start or is his play able to just slot into the current AB gameplan?
No, Ardie plays the AB gameplan & if he does it well thats awesome (see NMS last year, similar deal), if he doesn't Matt Todd very much can play the AB gameplan. And will.
Its no different 2012 to me, where Kaino had shown the AB gameplan for a 6, Thompson, Vito & Messam (all superb athletes) then had a shot at it. Thompson played like Thompson. Vito played like Vito & Messam after briefly playing like Messam, switched to playing the AB gameplan & locked himself into the jersey till Kaino came back. Same when Luatua got a chance & played like Read, in the 6 shirt. And got dropped.
A good test match for Ardie will be one where half the fern get miffed because he is not making huge runs & popping up all over in space, because that probably means he is doing what Cane has been doing instead. If he gets a chance to gallop 60m he will & should, but above all he needs to play test match rugby as an AB 7 does.
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@taniwharugby said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
So do the Abs tweak thier gameplan with Ardie starting, or does Ardie have to play differently to fit the game plan at the start or is his play able to just slot into the current AB gameplan?
No, Ardie plays the AB gameplan & if he does it well thats awesome (see NMS last year, similar deal), if he doesn't Matt Todd very much can play the AB gameplan. And will.
Its no different 2012 to me, where Kaino had shown the AB gameplan for a 6, Thompson, Vito & Messam (all superb athletes) then had a shot at it. Thompson played like Thompson. Vito played like Vito & Messam after briefly playing like Messam, switched to playing the AB gameplan & locked himself into the jersey till Kaino came back. Same when Luatua got a chance & played like Read, in the 6 shirt. And got dropped.
A good test match for Ardie will be one where half the fern get miffed because he is not making huge runs & popping up all over in space, because that probably means he is doing what Cane has been doing instead. If he gets a chance to gallop 60m he will & should, but above all he needs to play test match rugby as an AB 7 does.
@gollum Yeah, I'm hoping he gets a bit more stuck in - in his brief appearances off the bench I just get the feeling watching him that he's standing off too much play and lining himself up on defence to not be first man ("Pococking"). Forget going for the steal and just get stuck in, the opportunity for a steal will arise.
Edit: Just remembered a quite funny series of play against the Argies after he came on, where they'd pick and go one side, he'd swap to that side and they'd pick and go the other....happened about half a dozen times I think.
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Everyone predicted that the Tongan Thor would be a star. Now, obviously, chosing to play for the Reds doesn't help his cause and he's still young, but he hasn't been that impressive yet, has he?
@Stargazer said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Everyone predicted that the Tongan Thor would be a star. Now, obviously, chosing to play for the Reds doesn't help his cause and he's still young, but he hasn't been that impressive yet, has he?
Havent seen him in the NRC but from the reports I got from the club semi and final and the highlights I saw he is like that 9 year old when playing prems was killing it. Think tongan thor will be good but if he makes international level a good d will shut him down for his running game not against school boys and amaetuers anymore . Will show up if he can scrum and hit rucks etc.
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I think what is good about the draw is the gaps between home and away games to refresh means we dont need to rotate players. You earn your spot and no one wants to give it up or get it taken away. I think if Ardie kills it these next 3 games he could cement his starting position (obviously a big if) .
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Seriously, please tell me that you guys aren't all seeing straight through a quite clear wind-up by ACT Crusader ...
@MajorRage he is saying all south islanders and one token Wellington likes wearing pink shirts, nudge nudge wink wink say hello to a blind bartender with a lowlying doorknob...No, not gonna complain, Will let that through to the keeper.
But gotta say, even with all those Southern types and a few out of position, that is not a bad team! (Except at lock).
