All Blacks v France
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@sparky said in All Blacks v France:
@DaGrubster The French team had many fewer caps than our. We were beaten by the less experienced team. I am not sure the "we're building argument" works when other sides are building more and beating us. Disappointing.
Yeah, fair call. I haven’t seen the cap numbers.
I suppose BB skews those numbers a little bit though!?
Ultimately, that was a game we should have won and it feels like we have said that 4 times now this year.
The biggest difference between SA and us right now is their inner belief and supreme confidence they will win. Of course that is built up over many years and we need to get there somehow. Lots of our ‘experienced’ players have the experience of near misses over the last 4-5 years…
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v France:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France:
@DaGrubster The French team had many fewer caps than our. We were beaten by the less experienced team. I am not sure the "we're building argument" works when other sides are building more and beating us. Disappointing.
Yeah, fair call. I haven’t seen the cap numbers.
I suppose BB skews those numbers a little bit though!?
Ultimately, that was a game we should have won and it feels like we have said that 4 times now this year.
The biggest difference between SA and us right now is their inner belief and supreme confidence they will win. Of course that is built up over many years and we need to get there somehow. Lots of our ‘experienced’ players have the experience of near misses over the last 4-5 years…
That and they take smart options consistently.
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@LagerLout said in All Blacks v France:
We are miles off being a good team, personnel wise and strategy wise. We were bloody slow to the ruck in the second half. Our wingers are bollock slow. The only places we look dangerous are in in the starting front and back rows, the rest of it we are struggling. Feels like a bleak WC cycle to me. We had so much talent and where is it now.
We really aren’t miles off. We could easily have won that game.
@Billy-Tell Well, I think we are. We met an off colour Irish side and didn't have to do much to beat them, England we simply got lucky. Robertson has been let off the hook the first couple of tests. I see some massive problems with this squad and the coaching/calls. I hope I'm wrong, but it's not looking good.
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We are miles off being a good team, personnel wise and strategy wise. We were bloody slow to the ruck in the second half. Our wingers are bollock slow. The only places we look dangerous are in in the starting front and back rows, the rest of it we are struggling. Feels like a bleak WC cycle to me. We had so much talent and where is it now.
@LagerLout said in All Blacks v France:
We are miles off being a good team, personnel wise and strategy wise. We were bloody slow to the ruck in the second half. Our wingers are bollock slow. The only places we look dangerous are in in the starting front and back rows, the rest of it we are struggling. Feels like a bleak WC cycle to me. We had so much talent and where is it now.
I have pretty much the completely opposite view. NZ lost to one of the top four teams in the world at their fortress (and it is a fortress, the loudest and most partisan atmosphere you'll get at any ground around the world).
NZ have a great front row with Samisoni Taukei'aho still to return, some very good young loose forwards, two very promising halfbacks in Roigard and Ratima.
There are a few issues across the line-up but Razor will probably push the boat out a little more next year. There's a few pieces of deadweight that probably need to be moved on but already Cane and Perenara will be gone next year, Reece has probably played his last game in black, and there are a few more players who will be under a lot of pressure. It bodes well for the future, even if they didn't always get the biscuits this year.
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The guy who got shafted was Narawa
Barely saw the field for the ABs this year then discarded
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France:
The guy who got shafted was Narawa
Barely saw the field for the ABs this year then discarded
Bad timing with injury but I liked him.
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For the whole 'why take 3' argument
The only try we constructed was Lakai's in the first 10 minutes (Roigard's was a piece of individual brilliance)
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France:
For the whole 'why take 3' argument
The only try we constructed was Lakai's in the first 10 minutes (Roigard's was a piece of individual brilliance)
Counter-argument - how many tries are constructed nowadays without a penalty getting you deep into the opposition's half first?
Twice the All Blacks would've likely scored if Tamaiti Williams had found his man. Likewise, Vaa'i's offload which ended in a try to France. Did France construct many tries today?
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The guy who got shafted was Narawa
Barely saw the field for the ABs this year then discarded
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France:
The guy who got shafted was Narawa
Barely saw the field for the ABs this year then discarded
His body language upon being told he was being dropped from the squad confirmed Razor's concerns.
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The guy who got shafted was Narawa
Barely saw the field for the ABs this year then discarded
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France:
The guy who got shafted was Narawa
Barely saw the field for the ABs this year then discarded
Was he injured out of ABXV?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France:
The guy who got shafted was Narawa
Barely saw the field for the ABs this year then discarded
Was he injured out of ABXV?
@booboo said in All Blacks v France:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France:
The guy who got shafted was Narawa
Barely saw the field for the ABs this year then discarded
Was he injured out of ABXV?
He got dropped between the July series and The Rugby Championship
Of course Reece didn't....
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@Billy-Tell Well, I think we are. We met an off colour Irish side and didn't have to do much to beat them, England we simply got lucky. Robertson has been let off the hook the first couple of tests. I see some massive problems with this squad and the coaching/calls. I hope I'm wrong, but it's not looking good.
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For the whole 'why take 3' argument
The only try we constructed was Lakai's in the first 10 minutes (Roigard's was a piece of individual brilliance)
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France:
For the whole 'why take 3' argument
The only try we constructed was Lakai's in the first 10 minutes (Roigard's was a piece of individual brilliance)
It's a five metre lineout with maul. If we're not confident being able to do that with a better lineout than theirs, heaven help us.
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@Kiwidom said in All Blacks v France:
@DMX Tamaiti Williams has more pace than Reece
Yeah, you get the feeling that Reece’ pace is only suitable for the Fijian lawn bowls team.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France:
For the whole 'why take 3' argument
The only try we constructed was Lakai's in the first 10 minutes (Roigard's was a piece of individual brilliance)
It's a five metre lineout with maul. If we're not confident being able to do that with a better lineout than theirs, heaven help us.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France:
For the whole 'why take 3' argument
The only try we constructed was Lakai's in the first 10 minutes (Roigard's was a piece of individual brilliance)
It's a five metre lineout with maul. If we're not confident being able to do that with a better lineout than theirs, heaven help us.
In what world do the ABs kick to 5 metres out from the line from a penalty near halfway?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France:
For the whole 'why take 3' argument
The only try we constructed was Lakai's in the first 10 minutes (Roigard's was a piece of individual brilliance)
It's a five metre lineout with maul. If we're not confident being able to do that with a better lineout than theirs, heaven help us.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France:
For the whole 'why take 3' argument
The only try we constructed was Lakai's in the first 10 minutes (Roigard's was a piece of individual brilliance)
It's a five metre lineout with maul. If we're not confident being able to do that with a better lineout than theirs, heaven help us.
Yeah, it was two fold. Kick the 3, still behind and let France kick deep to us so we have to go 90 metres to win.
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Was at the game, seemed even .
Would of kept Roigard on.
DMac first five -
Jordie Barrett's injury was very influential. His power in midfield had the French defense guessing. AJ Lam should have been on the bench instead of ALB. This year, young guys coming in thanks to injuries to "top" players have been a success (Sititi, Tosi, Lakai). So why not Lam ? ALB is so average.
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Jordie Barrett's injury was very influential. His power in midfield had the French defense guessing. AJ Lam should have been on the bench instead of ALB. This year, young guys coming in thanks to injuries to "top" players have been a success (Sititi, Tosi, Lakai). So why not Lam ? ALB is so average.
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Wallace Sititi and Tupou Vaii have been the players of the season. Tamati Williams and Asafa Aumua have taken strides forward. Caleb Clarke and Tyrell Lomax have gone okay.
But apart from that it doesn't feel like we are going anywhere. A rather disappointing season.
@sparky said in All Blacks v France:
Wallace Sititi and Tupou Vaii have been the players of the season. Tamati Williams and Asafa Aumua have taken strides forward. Caleb Clarke and Tyrell Lomax have gone okay.
But apart from that it doesn't feel like we are going anywhere. A rather disappointing season.
DMac has gone ok with more experience. Not just Vaa'i but also Patty T and Darry-we are now ok with locks. Lakai (does anyone want to go back to Cane, EB or Jacobson?) Tosi for bench-shaking impact. In the backs Cam R, Proctor and Love. In the future possibly Hotham as backup if Ratima doesn't work out.
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@Billy-Tell Well, I think we are. We met an off colour Irish side and didn't have to do much to beat them, England we simply got lucky. Robertson has been let off the hook the first couple of tests. I see some massive problems with this squad and the coaching/calls. I hope I'm wrong, but it's not looking good.
@LagerLout said in All Blacks v France:
@Billy-Tell Well, I think we are. We met an off colour Irish side and didn't have to do much to beat them, England we simply got lucky. Robertson has been let off the hook the first couple of tests. I see some massive problems with this squad and the coaching/calls. I hope I'm wrong, but it's not looking good.
Bollocks. We'd have been unlucky to lose.
I see definite development and I'm not seeing mid-Foster era ineffectiveness.
