NZ Cricket
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Timmy has been great but, this:
"after test series against England"and this:
"It has been 19 innings across 10 tests since Southee last took more than two wickets in an innings. He has only taken more than a single wicket in an innings once in that time.Last summer at home, he took just six wickets at an average of 71.33 – one of the worst home seasons by a New Zealand seamer in the game’s history."
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@dogmeat said in NZ Cricket:
@MN5 Fuck you're a tough audience mate. According to the ICC Test ranking Roscoe's the 62nd best batter of all time . What's your definition of world class?
Timmee's the 71st best bowler FWIW.
Well, clearly the top 61 of all time is World Class, I stand by what I said.
Southee misses out by heaps by that measure…..
@MN5 said in NZ Cricket:
@dogmeat said in NZ Cricket:
@MN5 Fuck you're a tough audience mate. According to the ICC Test ranking Roscoe's the 62nd best batter of all time . What's your definition of world class?
Timmee's the 71st best bowler FWIW.
Well, clearly the top 61 of all time is World Class, I stand by what I said.
Southee misses out by heaps by that measure…..
Interesting to look at the guys around them.
Allan Border, Richie Richardson, Michael Vaughan, Rohan Kanhai, Alistair Cook, Adam Gilchrist, Colin Cowdrey, Graham Gooch, Ross Taylor, Gundappa Vishwanath, Ted Dexter, Inzamam Ul Haq.
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https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1405077/tea-for-two-with-tim-and-trent
A good read. Legends
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Would be great if Southee can finish with some big numbers to achieve some milestones - 400 test wickets , 6s and a batting century are the obvious ones. Great servant of NZ cricket.
@Godder said in NZ Cricket:
Would be great if Southee can finish with some big numbers to achieve some milestones - 400 test wickets , 6s and a batting century are the obvious ones. Great servant of NZ cricket.
First one is doable if he finds a bit more form than he has of late. It’s five wickets per test, far more than what we’ve seen recently.
100 test sixes would be pretty cool but it’s ultimately a bit meaningless overall.
The century one would be awesome.
For me it would be as good as Fleming nudging his career average over 40 in his final test ( the unofficial mark between good and very good in my opinion )
Southee has been maligned his whole career with his batting and I still don’t know if he’s an underachiever in terms of all round ability or a bowler who is really good at a big hitting innings every now and again.
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@Godder said in NZ Cricket:
Would be great if Southee can finish with some big numbers to achieve some milestones - 400 test wickets , 6s and a batting century are the obvious ones. Great servant of NZ cricket.
First one is doable if he finds a bit more form than he has of late. It’s five wickets per test, far more than what we’ve seen recently.
100 test sixes would be pretty cool but it’s ultimately a bit meaningless overall.
The century one would be awesome.
For me it would be as good as Fleming nudging his career average over 40 in his final test ( the unofficial mark between good and very good in my opinion )
Southee has been maligned his whole career with his batting and I still don’t know if he’s an underachiever in terms of all round ability or a bowler who is really good at a big hitting innings every now and again.
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The Hamilton farewell seems a bit indulgent. Out of the 3 tests, the Hamilton match is the one he should be rotated out for with Santner coming in to the 11 on a Seddon Park pitch.
Assuming the other debutant seamer goes ok in the earlier tests.
Painting themselves into a bit if a corner.
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In the last 2 seasons nz have toured all 4 of the Asian test nations for away series. Apart from the Sri Lanka tour, Tim has done ok on those tours bowling dry and chipping some wickets.
So, even though I think he's been cooked for about a year , and I'd rank him our 7th best seamer currently, he has (by staying on too long) saved some raw kiwi seamer raised on green tops from aa likely horror tour to debut in.
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The Hamilton farewell seems a bit indulgent. Out of the 3 tests, the Hamilton match is the one he should be rotated out for with Santner coming in to the 11 on a Seddon Park pitch.
Assuming the other debutant seamer goes ok in the earlier tests.
Painting themselves into a bit if a corner.
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Also. They were indulgent last year with Wagner. And that is biting us in the ass a little bit now - in that one of Smith or Duffy would already have a test cap under their belt v a an understregth Proteas. It would be easier to pull the trigger on Southee if we had that.
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Doug Bracewell been out partying with the rugby boys?
@Chris-B said in Other Cricket:
Doug Bracewell been out partying with the rugby boys?
Getting done three times for DUI isn’t a good look either
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It's a tough business professional sport, and especially international cricket where there isn't a subs bench, or smaller club - to move to when you start to age.
After 15 years of (mostly) supporting Southee pretty hard (as swing bowling is my favourite disciple to watch), it is a bit yuck to be spending the last few months calling for him to go. Same with Wagner last year. (although I'm not going to lie and say I spent 15 years with an uncritical admiration of Tim, there were times he was frustrating. E.g. his batting, and my suspicion that it is internal competition that pushes him - e.g. a risk of losing a spot to Matt Henry sparked a revival after a few years of medcocrity when the should have been continuing at his prime)
I do think though, that my learning as a fan, is that after the WTC these blackcaps cruised and everyone (squad, coach, media, fans) were a bit too laid back and resting on their laurels. So, my lesson is their needs to remain that 'noise' for standards to be maintained and hard calls to be made.
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Quite likely going to see these 2 swap positions by the end of this 3 test series:
(Though hopefully with them both starting with a 2)Screenshot 2024-11-19 at 9.39.23 AM
@Rapido said in NZ Cricket:
Quite likely going to see these 2 swap positions by the end of this 3 test series:
(Though hopefully with them both starting with a 2)Screenshot 2024-11-19 at 9.39.23 AM
Its depressing enough being reminded how short but amazing Bonds record was, now you have to see Jamieson as well...
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Doull and Nash both average much less than I remember, although I feel like pitches in NZ don't offer quite as much as they would have when they were playing.
It's depressing that the top 3 don't even have 50 tests between them.
@Cyclops said in NZ Cricket:
Doull and Nash both average much less than I remember, although I feel like pitches in NZ don't offer quite as much as they would have when they were playing.
It's depressing that the top 3 don't even have 50 tests between them.
Also, didn't actually play that many tests and my memory makes me feel like they were both core team members.
