Italy v All Blacks
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@frugby said in New Zealand v Italy:
I am happy to give Lam a crack, but long-term I’m not sure he is the answer. Good player, but not really what we need at 12… another outside back. Need a good hard runner, who can distribute. Despite the criticism, the ABs were massively worse after taking J Barrett off
Not sure it was a choice
@booboo said in New Zealand v Italy:
@frugby said in New Zealand v Italy:
I am happy to give Lam a crack, but long-term I’m not sure he is the answer. Good player, but not really what we need at 12… another outside back. Need a good hard runner, who can distribute. Despite the criticism, the ABs were massively worse after taking J Barrett off
Not sure it was a choice
No, but that second half, I think showed how important he is to us (at least while we don’t have a gun 10)…
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I am happy to give Lam a crack, but long-term I’m not sure he is the answer. Good player, but not really what we need at 12… another outside back. Need a good hard runner, who can distribute. Despite the criticism, the ABs were massively worse after taking J Barrett off
@frugby said in New Zealand v Italy:
I am happy to give Lam a crack, but long-term I’m not sure he is the answer. Good player, but not really what we need at 12… another outside back. Need a good hard runner, who can distribute. Despite the criticism, the ABs were massively worse after taking J Barrett off
Um are we talking about Lam's game at 12? He can run pass and tackle. One thing I haven't seen enough of to judge is his kicking.
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@Mr-Fish said in New Zealand v Italy:
Ethan de Groot
Asafo Aumua
Pasilio Tosi
Patrick Tuipulotu
Josh Lord
Ardie Savea
Sam Cane
Peter Lakai
Cam Roigard
Damian McKenzie
Caleb Clarke
David Havili
Anton Lienert-Brown
Mark Tele'a
Ruben LoveGeorge Bell
Ofa Tu'ungafasi
Fletcher Newell
Fabian Holland
Christian Lio-Willie
TJ Perenara
Stephen Perofeta
AJ LamThe starting midfield has a bit of a tang to it.
@brodean said in New Zealand v Italy:
The starting midfield has a bit of a tang to it.
Tang? What do you mean? I thought it meant something sharp?
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@frugby said in New Zealand v Italy:
I am happy to give Lam a crack, but long-term I’m not sure he is the answer. Good player, but not really what we need at 12… another outside back. Need a good hard runner, who can distribute. Despite the criticism, the ABs were massively worse after taking J Barrett off
Um are we talking about Lam's game at 12? He can run pass and tackle. One thing I haven't seen enough of to judge is his kicking.
@nostrildamus said in New Zealand v Italy:
@frugby said in New Zealand v Italy:
I am happy to give Lam a crack, but long-term I’m not sure he is the answer. Good player, but not really what we need at 12… another outside back. Need a good hard runner, who can distribute. Despite the criticism, the ABs were massively worse after taking J Barrett off
Um are we talking about Lam's game at 12? He can run pass and tackle. One thing I haven't seen enough of to judge is his kicking.
Kicking a big issue I think… the other thing which we won’t know until tried also, is his running lines. Havili and ALB both struggle to carry straight up the guts at the top top level.
Lam in theory should be able to do it, but it does not always play out like that
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@nostrildamus said in New Zealand v Italy:
@frugby said in New Zealand v Italy:
I am happy to give Lam a crack, but long-term I’m not sure he is the answer. Good player, but not really what we need at 12… another outside back. Need a good hard runner, who can distribute. Despite the criticism, the ABs were massively worse after taking J Barrett off
Um are we talking about Lam's game at 12? He can run pass and tackle. One thing I haven't seen enough of to judge is his kicking.
Kicking a big issue I think… the other thing which we won’t know until tried also, is his running lines. Havili and ALB both struggle to carry straight up the guts at the top top level.
Lam in theory should be able to do it, but it does not always play out like that
@frugby said in New Zealand v Italy:
@nostrildamus said in New Zealand v Italy:
@frugby said in New Zealand v Italy:
I am happy to give Lam a crack, but long-term I’m not sure he is the answer. Good player, but not really what we need at 12… another outside back. Need a good hard runner, who can distribute. Despite the criticism, the ABs were massively worse after taking J Barrett off
Um are we talking about Lam's game at 12? He can run pass and tackle. One thing I haven't seen enough of to judge is his kicking.
Kicking a big issue I think… the other thing which we won’t know until tried also, is his running lines. Havili and ALB both struggle to carry straight up the guts at the top top level.
Lam in theory should be able to do it, but it does not always play out like that
Only one way to find out. Proctor is ahead, but he isn't there. So I'd like to see Lam get some time. I fear that Razor will waste minutes on DH instead
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Team I’d personally pick (and I am fully aware the team won’t be anywhere near this):
- de Groot
- Bell
- Tosi
- Holland
- Barrett
- Lio-Willie
- Cane
- Lakai
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Tele’a
- Lam
- Ioane
- Jordan
- Love
- Taylor
- Williams
- Newell
- Lord
- Savea
- Perenara
- Perofeta
- Lienert-Brown
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Team I’d personally pick (and I am fully aware the team won’t be anywhere near this):
- de Groot
- Bell
- Tosi
- Holland
- Barrett
- Lio-Willie
- Cane
- Lakai
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Tele’a
- Lam
- Ioane
- Jordan
- Love
- Taylor
- Williams
- Newell
- Lord
- Savea
- Perenara
- Perofeta
- Lienert-Brown
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Team I’d personally pick (and I am fully aware the team won’t be anywhere near this):
- de Groot
- Bell
- Tosi
- Holland
- Barrett
- Lio-Willie
- Cane
- Lakai
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Tele’a
- Lam
- Ioane
- Jordan
- Love
- Taylor
- Williams
- Newell
- Lord
- Savea
- Perenara
- Perofeta
- Lienert-Brown
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Williams, Aumua, Lomax, Vaii, Tuipolutu, Sititi, Cane (c), Savea, Roigard, DMac, Clarke, ALB, Reiko, Jordan, Love.
Bench: Bell, De Groot, Tosi, Holland, Lakai, TJP, B. Barrett, Tupaea.
@sparky said in New Zealand v Italy:
Williams, Aumua, Lomax, Vaii, Tuipolutu, Sititi, Cane (c), Savea, Roigard, DMac, Clarke, ALB, Reiko, Jordan, Love.
Bench: Bell, De Groot, Tosi, Holland, Lakai, TJP, B. Barrett, Tupaea.
Suspect there'll be considerable more change than that.
I'm expecting a team closer to the one that faced Japan than the one that faced France.
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Shit at this rate I'm pleased we're not playing Georgia. (watching Italy vs Georgia atm, and Georgia are smashing them all over the park)
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Shit at this rate I'm pleased we're not playing Georgia. (watching Italy vs Georgia atm, and Georgia are smashing them all over the park)
@Jailbreak7 said in New Zealand v Italy:
Shit at this rate I'm pleased we're not playing Georgia. (watching Italy vs Georgia atm, and Georgia are smashing them all over the park)
You are talking about the team that lost to our c team?
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I’ll let you into a secret, Georgia couldn’t give a shit about playing C teams. They lift themselves when facing Test sides.
@Wurzel said in New Zealand v Italy:
I’ll let you into a secret, Georgia couldn’t give a shit about playing C teams. They lift themselves when facing Test sides.
Sounds like a stupid way to go about promoting yourself on the world stage. They'll always lose to Scotland and Wales in the 7 nations then.
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@frugby said in New Zealand v Italy:
@nostrildamus said in New Zealand v Italy:
@frugby said in New Zealand v Italy:
I am happy to give Lam a crack, but long-term I’m not sure he is the answer. Good player, but not really what we need at 12… another outside back. Need a good hard runner, who can distribute. Despite the criticism, the ABs were massively worse after taking J Barrett off
Um are we talking about Lam's game at 12? He can run pass and tackle. One thing I haven't seen enough of to judge is his kicking.
Kicking a big issue I think… the other thing which we won’t know until tried also, is his running lines. Havili and ALB both struggle to carry straight up the guts at the top top level.
Lam in theory should be able to do it, but it does not always play out like that
Only one way to find out. Proctor is ahead, but he isn't there. So I'd like to see Lam get some time. I fear that Razor will waste minutes on DH instead
@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:
@frugby said in New Zealand v Italy:
@nostrildamus said in New Zealand v Italy:
@frugby said in New Zealand v Italy:
I am happy to give Lam a crack, but long-term I’m not sure he is the answer. Good player, but not really what we need at 12… another outside back. Need a good hard runner, who can distribute. Despite the criticism, the ABs were massively worse after taking J Barrett off
Um are we talking about Lam's game at 12? He can run pass and tackle. One thing I haven't seen enough of to judge is his kicking.
Kicking a big issue I think… the other thing which we won’t know until tried also, is his running lines. Havili and ALB both struggle to carry straight up the guts at the top top level.
Lam in theory should be able to do it, but it does not always play out like that
Only one way to find out. Proctor is ahead, but he isn't there. So I'd like to see Lam get some time. I fear that Razor will waste minutes on DH instead
If he picks David Havili he should be sacked upon arrival back in NZ.
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@nostrildamus said in New Zealand v Italy:
@frugby said in New Zealand v Italy:
I am happy to give Lam a crack, but long-term I’m not sure he is the answer. Good player, but not really what we need at 12… another outside back. Need a good hard runner, who can distribute. Despite the criticism, the ABs were massively worse after taking J Barrett off
Um are we talking about Lam's game at 12? He can run pass and tackle. One thing I haven't seen enough of to judge is his kicking.
Kicking a big issue I think… the other thing which we won’t know until tried also, is his running lines. Havili and ALB both struggle to carry straight up the guts at the top top level.
Lam in theory should be able to do it, but it does not always play out like that
@frugby said in New Zealand v Italy:
Kicking a big issue I think… the other thing which we won’t know until tried also, is his running lines. Havili and ALB both struggle to carry straight up the guts at the top top level.
Lam in theory should be able to do it, but it does not always play out like that
Running lines? In theory? He can do it at Super level. Time to see at international level!
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Happy to see Cane and TJ sit in the stands. No reason to waste even more minutes on these guys than they already have. They can present jersies and give a rousing speech in the sheds.
@Frye I actually think Cane leaving the arena after defeating Ireland (with an injury) is a perfect ending and somewhat poetic way to finish, given his history.
Don’t see any harm in letting TJP lead the Haka one more time and sitting Cortez. Roigard can play 79 mins.
100% have to play the best team available though.
