Diving In Rugby
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First Thread, be gentle lads. Apologies if this topic has been covered.
Caught Steve Divine talking about the Ireland/Argentina game over the weekend on some radio show (who listens to the radio?) He was pretty disappointed on how Ireland are seemingly trying to draw these cards out of TMO's and referees.
I went over the Ireland stats for their unbeaten streak between 22-23. The statistics are damning.
In 2022 Ireland opposition received 6 yellow cards and 2 red cards
Ireland received 2 yellow cardsIn 2023 Ireland opposition received 8 Yellow cards and 2 red cards
Ireland received 1 yellow cardIn total: Opposition received 18 cards
Ireland received 3Their winning streak was 17.
You'd have to take into account how many of those yellow cards were upgraded to red, I don't have the time to investigate, so you could potentially say Irish opposition received 14 cards total.
Either way, is this something they are intentionally hunting out? How can we stop it moving forward? The lack of HIA protocol after these head knocks defeats the purpose of the TMO intervention anyway.
Thats what I spent my morning doing. Welcome to the world of a rugby fan with nothing better to do before the gym.
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Welcome aboard
Without seeing the incidents it's hard to make a judgement
Totally agree with HIA
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Very disappointed in James Lowe seemingly deliberately running into an AB to milk a penalty...
@ARHS Bro might be following the narrative hes been told to. Would love for his to return A-side and confirm the suspicions.
On this: Ireland clearly have been on the right side of the referee, they deserve credit for this, and quite a few of those yellows might be from the building pressure in the right area of the park. I don't have time to watch and diverge on 2 years worth of highlights.
Those numbers do go towards explaining their dominance over that period though.
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we play for cards/penalties elsewhere in the game, scrum penalties might be a legal way to do it but it opens the door to this mentality of trying to get guys off the pitch or out of the game because theyre afraid to get pinged...we've seen half backs, like aaron smith, passing into retreating players to get penalties
as i say, some are illegal and some are legal but its all on in the same game plan of milk penalities/cards....and i hate it all
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I am happy the proper thuggery is out of rugby.
The game I played in the 90s was significantly more violent than the one I finished playing.
And the guys who finished in the 90s probably thought the same way about the 80s.But I feel we've cleaned it up so much most of these prissy diving soft cocks don't have any notion about how fucking safe they are on a paddock in 2024.
The NRL is fucking rife with it now and that's just for penalties. Rugby is now full of 120kg supreme athletes bleating like cold goats for cards because someone touched one of their team mates chin stubble
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Anyone trying to milk a penalty should get carded. Against the spirit of the game and disrespects the referee as sole judge of law and fact on the field.
Lots of good (infuriating) examples up thread to which I’d add:
trapping players in rucks - fucking clear him out: that’s your job if you want to earn fast ball
Placing the ball under the tackler - you obviously don’t want to use the ball so you don’t deserve a penalty
Appealing to the ref to check head contact/neck & crock rolls - grow your hair long and go dive and roll around on the soccer pitch to your little heart’s content or get on with the game
Big distinction between milking and earning penalties though. If the other team can’t scrum, maul or get back on defence without cheating then you’ve earned the penalty.
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Most refs are now not rewarding teams for trapping a player in the ruck, or placing the ball into the tackler and expecting a penalty. That is a step in the right direction.
@Bovidae said in Diving In Rugby:
Most refs are now not rewarding teams for trapping a player in the ruck, or placing the ball into the tackler and expecting a penalty. That is a step in the right direction.
I wish they'd stop rewarding players who could make a steal but instead just hold it on/into the tackled player.
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@Bovidae said in Diving In Rugby:
Most refs are now not rewarding teams for trapping a player in the ruck, or placing the ball into the tackler and expecting a penalty. That is a step in the right direction.
I wish they'd stop rewarding players who could make a steal but instead just hold it on/into the tackled player.
@Bones said in Diving In Rugby:
@Bovidae said in Diving In Rugby:
Most refs are now not rewarding teams for trapping a player in the ruck, or placing the ball into the tackler and expecting a penalty. That is a step in the right direction.
I wish they'd stop rewarding players who could make a steal but instead just hold it on/into the tackled player.
Sure, but that seems like more of a 2017ish thing. Refs demand a clear lift now if you want a reward. If anything they’ve swung back too hard letting tackled players hold on to survive an initial poach, roll over again/jackknife away from poachers etc and that’s before we get to attacking trailers being given licence to go off their feet and seal the breakdown in a way that would result in instant penalization for falling “into the runway” if they were defenders.
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@Bovidae said in Diving In Rugby:
Most refs are now not rewarding teams for trapping a player in the ruck, or placing the ball into the tackler and expecting a penalty. That is a step in the right direction.
I wish they'd stop rewarding players who could make a steal but instead just hold it on/into the tackled player.
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Steve Devine coming out swinging
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Steve Devine coming out swinging
@canefan fair enough IIRC. Crying on the ground as if he's been mortally wounded, then to rub salt in the wounds scores the try with Argentina down to 14 men - after no HIA.
edit: the worst part was that I had my hopes up that post-Sexton we'd get less of this pathetic shit - then his replacement goes and does that.
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@Bones yeah that still happens but not as much as it did 5 or so years back, where refs were awarding them for simply being in a strong position over the ball to steal it, even if they werent really trying.
@taniwharugby said in Diving In Rugby:
@Bones yeah that still happens but not as much as it did 5 or so years back, where refs were awarding them for simply being in a strong position over the ball to steal it, even if they werent really trying.
meh, i used to do that. Sometimes you don't want the turnover, you want the penalty.
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@taniwharugby said in Diving In Rugby:
@Bones yeah that still happens but not as much as it did 5 or so years back, where refs were awarding them for simply being in a strong position over the ball to steal it, even if they werent really trying.
meh, i used to do that. Sometimes you don't want the turnover, you want the penalty.
@mariner4life you sir, are a fluffybunny
and deserve some other fluffybunny coming in and flying at you like a missile. -
@mariner4life you sir, are a fluffybunny
and deserve some other fluffybunny coming in and flying at you like a missile.@taniwharugby said in Diving In Rugby:
@mariner4life you sir, are a fluffybunny
and deserve some other fluffybunny coming in and flying at you like a missile.they did! because that's what we were taught to do! I know all sorts of ways to hurt people in rucks to make them think twice about sticking their head over the ball.
It's why my neck is fucked
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Anyone trying to milk a penalty should get carded. Against the spirit of the game and disrespects the referee as sole judge of law and fact on the field.
Lots of good (infuriating) examples up thread to which I’d add:
trapping players in rucks - fucking clear him out: that’s your job if you want to earn fast ball
Placing the ball under the tackler - you obviously don’t want to use the ball so you don’t deserve a penalty
Appealing to the ref to check head contact/neck & crock rolls - grow your hair long and go dive and roll around on the soccer pitch to your little heart’s content or get on with the game
Big distinction between milking and earning penalties though. If the other team can’t scrum, maul or get back on defence without cheating then you’ve earned the penalty.
