Italy v All Blacks

@Jailbreak7 said in New Zealand v Italy:

Looks like they'll give TJ and Cane some time, farewell match and all that.

Ugh. Cane had his farewell, a win away against Ireland. Ratima and Roigard both have things to work on.

It is wasteful to take valuable minutes away from players of the present and future who need them in favour of a farewell bow for a less able older player. TJP got his farewell in front of home fans earlier in the year. Cane as you say got to leave triumphant after Dublin. Move aside and play the young bucks who have shown they already belong. Razor will probably do exactly the opposite of what I'd like to see, which is to play Aumua, DMac, Cam and Ratima, and Lakai

Landers92

@Bovidae said in New Zealand v Italy:

Back to their preferred loose forward trio. Reece doesn't deserve to start.

Or be in the 23 for that matter.

canefan

@Landers92 said in New Zealand v Italy:

@Bovidae said in New Zealand v Italy:

Back to their preferred loose forward trio. Reece doesn't deserve to start.

Or be in the 23 for that matter.

I'd play Clarke, Love, and Jordan. But I don't expect Razor to do that either. Just a lack of imagination

Bovidae

Is anyone going to the test?

I've spent a lot of time in Torino, but it isn't near the rugby heartland in Italy.

Canes4life

@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:

@Landers92 said in New Zealand v Italy:

@Bovidae said in New Zealand v Italy:

Back to their preferred loose forward trio. Reece doesn't deserve to start.

Or be in the 23 for that matter.

I'd play Clarke, Love, and Jordan. But I don't expect Razor to do that either. Just a lack of imagination

He'll likely play Reece again.

canefan

@Canes4life said in New Zealand v Italy:

@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:

@Landers92 said in New Zealand v Italy:

@Bovidae said in New Zealand v Italy:

Back to their preferred loose forward trio. Reece doesn't deserve to start.

Or be in the 23 for that matter.

I'd play Clarke, Love, and Jordan. But I don't expect Razor to do that either. Just a lack of imagination

He'll likely play Reece again.

yup. I rewatched the intercept try. Reece was disgracefully slow, something is wrong with him, or he's out of gas

reprobate

@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:

@Canes4life said in New Zealand v Italy:

@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:

@Landers92 said in New Zealand v Italy:

@Bovidae said in New Zealand v Italy:

Back to their preferred loose forward trio. Reece doesn't deserve to start.

Or be in the 23 for that matter.

I'd play Clarke, Love, and Jordan. But I don't expect Razor to do that either. Just a lack of imagination

He'll likely play Reece again.

yup. I rewatched the intercept try. Reece was disgracefully slow, something is wrong with him, or he's out of gas

Clearly fatigued - the only thing that makes sense is to go back to a specialist winger - maybe even two of them - on the bench.

mariner4life

@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:

a less able older player.

this is starting to annoy me. If Cane was playing we likely win that game last week, as he would have at least been able to stop French forwards at the gain line. Yes, the speed has gone from his legs, but his experience and his defence and his ruck work is far superior to every other loose forward we have available.

The thing is, none of those things will matter this weekend because Italy are shit, so we could play TJP at openside and it won't make a lick of difference

Landers92

@reprobate said in New Zealand v Italy:

@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:

@Canes4life said in New Zealand v Italy:

@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:

@Landers92 said in New Zealand v Italy:

@Bovidae said in New Zealand v Italy:

Back to their preferred loose forward trio. Reece doesn't deserve to start.

Or be in the 23 for that matter.

I'd play Clarke, Love, and Jordan. But I don't expect Razor to do that either. Just a lack of imagination

He'll likely play Reece again.

yup. I rewatched the intercept try. Reece was disgracefully slow, something is wrong with him, or he's out of gas

Clearly fatigued - the only thing that makes sense is to go back to a specialist winger - maybe even two of them - on the bench.

Fatigued? Hes had plenty of time to rest since the Japan game.

SBW1

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=all+blacks+vs+italy+2023+score&mid=82C35E573131D535A95B82C35E573131D535A95B&FORM=VIRE
Last time we played Italy we put on a 14 try demolition. Probably a bit closer this year.

mariner4life

@SBW1 said in New Zealand v Italy:

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=all+blacks+vs+italy+2023+score&mid=82C35E573131D535A95B82C35E573131D535A95B&FORM=VIRE
Last time we played Italy we put on a 14 try demolition. Probably a bit closer this year.

considering that over the past two weekends they beat Georgia by 3 and Argentina put 50 past them i think it is far more likely that we run riot.

canefan

@mariner4life said in New Zealand v Italy:

@canefan said in New Zealand v Italy:

a less able older player.

this is starting to annoy me. If Cane was playing we likely win that game last week, as he would have at least been able to stop French forwards at the gain line. Yes, the speed has gone from his legs, but his experience and his defence and his ruck work is far superior to every other loose forward we have available.

The thing is, none of those things will matter this weekend because Italy are shit, so we could play TJP at openside and it won't make a lick of difference

Let's compare apples with apples. If Cane had started vs France I'd have no issue, as he's played great and we wanted a win against a top opponent. Playing against Italy on the other hand seems like a wasted opportunity to blood these young guys

mariner4life

so against France he is not a less able player? just Italy. gotcha.

Look, i am as excited by Lakai as even you crazy Canes fans who think all your players should be starting ABs. And i am more than happy for him to play this week, because as i said, defence and ruck work won't matter anywhere near as much as speed and link play. But there is no need to shit on Sam Cane and his legacy in your urge to rush through your shiny new bauble.

That French game rammed home the fact that, while all athletic exciting players, a Sititi, Savea and Lakai loose forward trio is not yet ready for real test rugby.

canefan

@mariner4life said in New Zealand v Italy:

so against France he is not a less able player? just Italy. gotcha.

Look, i am as excited by Lakai as even you crazy Canes fans who think all your players should be starting ABs. And i am more than happy for him to play this week, because as i said, defence and ruck work won't matter anywhere near as much as speed and link play. But there is no need to shit on Sam Cane and his legacy in your urge to rush through your shiny new bauble.

That French game rammed home the fact that, while all athletic exciting players, a Sititi, Savea and Lakai loose forward trio is not yet ready for real test rugby.

TJP is less able, and older... .

I have not taken any dumps on Cane anytime of late, he's had an excellent year capped off by the Ireland win. If he was available for France I'd play him too. In fact, I wasn't even referring to the France game, I was talking about wasting caps on a game against Italy. Must be a slow day where you are to get triggered like this

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Italy v All Blacks