Italy v All Blacks
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As you’ll see on one of my posts further up in this thread, I said I was told to not expect many changes, I didn’t want to believe it but it has rung true. Actually quite disappointing that there are guys on this tour who were with the team all along and they aren’t getting at least a bench spot against a weaker Italy side.
What are we achieving by having Havili on the bench? I can understand TJ and Cane getting their send offs but yeah, slightly disappointing when there are guys like Ruben Love and Josh Lord who should of at least been given some reward.
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Very conservative, but honestly if we produce a proper dusting then the season ends on a good note, and I think most will go away from this tour relatively satisfied.
I would have liked to have seen Bell, Holland etc. get a game, but other than it being nice for them and their families, I am not sure it proves anything, because of the level of opposition, and the fact the next test is 9 months after this
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That's... that's fucked
It's the top team and still I'm annoyed.
EdG over Williams? After that last effort?
The benched the wrong lock
It's very fucking clear we know nothing about test rugby if that spud BB was retained.The bench? Newell? TJ? I guess Havili is the last.man standing but what an obviously awful selection.
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I'm fucking annoyed at that BB selection.
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Team to play Italy.
All Blacks: 1. Ethan de Groot 2. Codie Taylor 3. Tyrel Lomax 4. Scott Barrett (c) 5. Patrick Tuipulotu 6. Wallace Sititi 7. Sam Cane 8. Ardie Savea 9. Cam Roigard 10. Beauden Barrett 11. Caleb Clarke 12. Anton Lienert-Brown 13. Rieko Ioane 14. Mark Tele'a 15. Will Jordan
Bench: 16. Asafo Aumua 17. Ofa Tu'ungafasi 18. Fletcher Newell 19. Tupou Vaa'i 20. Peter Lakai 21. TJ Perenara 22. David Havili 23. Damian McKenzie
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That's... that's fucked
It's the top team and still I'm annoyed.
EdG over Williams? After that last effort?
The benched the wrong lock
It's very fucking clear we know nothing about test rugby if that spud BB was retained.The bench? Newell? TJ? I guess Havili is the last.man standing but what an obviously awful selection.
@mariner4life Williams has a neck injury so wasn't available
Disappointed that they picked Havilli over someone like AJ Lam
I think Ardie and Lomax have played in nearly all but one test this season. They must be cooked at this stage -
That's... that's fucked
It's the top team and still I'm annoyed.
EdG over Williams? After that last effort?
The benched the wrong lock
It's very fucking clear we know nothing about test rugby if that spud BB was retained.The bench? Newell? TJ? I guess Havili is the last.man standing but what an obviously awful selection.
@mariner4life said in Italy v All Blacks:
I guess Havili is the last.man standing but what an obviously awful selection.
He isn't even last man standing.
AJ Lam is in the squad - can play 12, 13 and wing and his form shits on Havili's this year.
Yet Lam can't get a look in.
It's insane.
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@mariner4life said in Italy v All Blacks:
I guess Havili is the last.man standing but what an obviously awful selection.
He isn't even last man standing.
AJ Lam is in the squad - can play 12, 13 and wing and his form shits on Havili's this year.
Yet Lam can't get a look in.
It's insane.
@KiwiMurph AJ needs to throw more interceptions or have his kicks charged down to get selected.....
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Very conservative, but honestly if we produce a proper dusting then the season ends on a good note, and I think most will go away from this tour relatively satisfied.
I would have liked to have seen Bell, Holland etc. get a game, but other than it being nice for them and their families, I am not sure it proves anything, because of the level of opposition, and the fact the next test is 9 months after this
@frugby said in Italy v All Blacks:
I would have liked to have seen Bell, Holland etc. get a game, but other than it being nice for them and their families, I am not sure it proves anything, because of the level of opposition, and the fact the next test is 9 months after this
And playing your near full strength squad does?
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@frugby said in Italy v All Blacks:
I would have liked to have seen Bell, Holland etc. get a game, but other than it being nice for them and their families, I am not sure it proves anything, because of the level of opposition, and the fact the next test is 9 months after this
And playing your near full strength squad does?
@Landers92 said in Italy v All Blacks:
@frugby said in Italy v All Blacks:
I would have liked to have seen Bell, Holland etc. get a game, but other than it being nice for them and their families, I am not sure it proves anything, because of the level of opposition, and the fact the next test is 9 months after this
And playing your near full strength squad does?
ALL BLACKS: v ITALY 2004 EOYT
S. Taumoepeau
A. D. Oliver
C. J. Hayman
C. R. Jack
N. M. C. Maxwell
J. Collins
R. H. McCaw
M. M. Tuiali'i
B. T. Kelleher
D. W. Carter
J. T. Rokocoko
J. F. Umaga (C)
C. G. Smith
R. L. Gear
J. M. Muliaina -
@frugby said in Italy v All Blacks:
I would have liked to have seen Bell, Holland etc. get a game, but other than it being nice for them and their families, I am not sure it proves anything, because of the level of opposition, and the fact the next test is 9 months after this
And playing your near full strength squad does?
@Landers92 said in Italy v All Blacks:
@frugby said in Italy v All Blacks:
I would have liked to have seen Bell, Holland etc. get a game, but other than it being nice for them and their families, I am not sure it proves anything, because of the level of opposition, and the fact the next test is 9 months after this
And playing your near full strength squad does?
Obviously not. I think this is the coaches purely wanting to end the year really strongly, which I can understand - not saying I agree with it, but in the context of a loss last week (four this year), a big win to end the year might be what the coaches feel is necessary
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@Landers92 said in Italy v All Blacks:
@frugby said in Italy v All Blacks:
I would have liked to have seen Bell, Holland etc. get a game, but other than it being nice for them and their families, I am not sure it proves anything, because of the level of opposition, and the fact the next test is 9 months after this
And playing your near full strength squad does?
ALL BLACKS: v ITALY 2004 EOYT
S. Taumoepeau
A. D. Oliver
C. J. Hayman
C. R. Jack
N. M. C. Maxwell
J. Collins
R. H. McCaw
M. M. Tuiali'i
B. T. Kelleher
D. W. Carter
J. T. Rokocoko
J. F. Umaga (C)
C. G. Smith
R. L. Gear
J. M. Muliaina@ACT-Crusader said in Italy v All Blacks:
@Landers92 said in Italy v All Blacks:
@frugby said in Italy v All Blacks:
I would have liked to have seen Bell, Holland etc. get a game, but other than it being nice for them and their families, I am not sure it proves anything, because of the level of opposition, and the fact the next test is 9 months after this
And playing your near full strength squad does?
ALL BLACKS: v ITALY 2004 EOYT
S. Taumoepeau
A. D. Oliver
C. J. Hayman
C. R. Jack
N. M. C. Maxwell
J. Collins
R. H. McCaw
M. M. Tuiali'i
B. T. Kelleher
D. W. Carter
J. T. Rokocoko
J. F. Umaga (C)
C. G. Smith
R. L. Gear
J. M. MuliainaOk, thanks, I guess?
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As you’ll see on one of my posts further up in this thread, I said I was told to not expect many changes, I didn’t want to believe it but it has rung true. Actually quite disappointing that there are guys on this tour who were with the team all along and they aren’t getting at least a bench spot against a weaker Italy side.
What are we achieving by having Havili on the bench? I can understand TJ and Cane getting their send offs but yeah, slightly disappointing when there are guys like Ruben Love and Josh Lord who should of at least been given some reward.
@Landers92 said in Italy v All Blacks:
As you’ll see on one of my posts further up in this thread, I said I was told to not expect many changes, I didn’t want to believe it but it has rung true. Actually quite disappointing that there are guys on this tour who were with the team all along and they aren’t getting at least a bench spot against a weaker Italy side.
What are we achieving by having Havili on the bench? I can understand TJ and Cane getting their send offs but yeah, slightly disappointing when there are guys like Ruben Love and Josh Lord who should have at least been given some reward.
Ruben Loves sojourn has amounted to nothing more than a waste of aviation fuel.
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@mariner4life said in Italy v All Blacks:
I guess Havili is the last.man standing but what an obviously awful selection.
He isn't even last man standing.
AJ Lam is in the squad - can play 12, 13 and wing and his form shits on Havili's this year.
Yet Lam can't get a look in.
It's insane.
@KiwiMurph said in Italy v All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Italy v All Blacks:
I guess Havili is the last.man standing but what an obviously awful selection.
He isn't even last man standing.
AJ Lam is in the squad - can play 12, 13 and wing and his form shits on Havili's this year.
Yet Lam can't get a look in.
It's insane.
This might be the only way we get Razor to bench his boys and play someone with actual promise
The team have made steps forward, but next year we need to see Razor really sharpen his selections up by cutting some of the players he clearly has a horn for, otherwise we will be held back.
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@KiwiMurph said in Italy v All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Italy v All Blacks:
I guess Havili is the last.man standing but what an obviously awful selection.
He isn't even last man standing.
AJ Lam is in the squad - can play 12, 13 and wing and his form shits on Havili's this year.
Yet Lam can't get a look in.
It's insane.
This might be the only way we get Razor to bench his boys and play someone with actual promise
The team have made steps forward, but next year we need to see Razor really sharpen his selections up by cutting some of the players he clearly has a horn for, otherwise we will be held back.
@canefan said in Italy v All Blacks:
The team have made steps forward, but next year we need to see Razor really sharpen his selections up by cutting some of the players he clearly has a horn for, otherwise we will be held back.
This is where I am at - and I expect that he will. Decent core, with a game plan that does seem to be the blueprint of one that works. Bring in a Holland and a new winger/fullback + some better depth options and this team looks like the first one in a while that could string a record breaking run together.
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@canefan said in Italy v All Blacks:
The team have made steps forward, but next year we need to see Razor really sharpen his selections up by cutting some of the players he clearly has a horn for, otherwise we will be held back.
This is where I am at - and I expect that he will. Decent core, with a game plan that does seem to be the blueprint of one that works. Bring in a Holland and a new winger/fullback + some better depth options and this team looks like the first one in a while that could string a record breaking run together.
@frugby said in Italy v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Italy v All Blacks:
The team have made steps forward, but next year we need to see Razor really sharpen his selections up by cutting some of the players he clearly has a horn for, otherwise we will be held back.
This is where I am at - and I expect that he will. Decent core, with a game plan that does seem to be the blueprint of one that works. Bring in a Holland and a new winger/fullback + some better depth options and this team looks like the first one in a while that could string a record breaking run together.
I'm sceptical. He has played favourites at almost every turn so far, I'm not convinced he can part with his toys. I want him to prove me wrong
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Bitterly disappointed with this selection. Perhaps the most unfathomable one of the past decade in my view.
Plummer might not be the last fringe AB to fly the coop this summer. Have to feel sorry for Ruben Love, Josh Lord, Christian Lio-Willie, Stephen Perofeta in particular, but there are others who have also long awaited a chance to show their wares. And a real kick in the guts for DMac too - " thou shalt not play with Cam Roigard" and show what you might unleash in tandem.
It really looks like there is a desperation to get 2 or 3 players back in ahead of those who fronted for the AB's this year, and to promote some familiar players at any opportunity. Just don't know what to think really.
