All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch
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Just rewatched. A few comments (on things which haven't been commented on):
Fekitoa does look awkward on attack at moment. But fairly solid. Good on D and, not something I've seen mentioned elsewhere, gets involved at rucks when inside backs tackled, which much helps speed of recycling. I suspect the fact Crotty only requires one to mark cuts down the space, as compared to what he might expect if playing outside a Nonu for example.
Read very quiet in second half, after anonymous game against Argies.
Romano can pass -- pass to Coles helped set up Sam W.
SA replacement Kitshoff (a rather rotund fellow) seems to pack at 45 degrees. Can't see how Bok LH lock can possibly get any purchase. Hence monster AB scrum at 78.
But overall ABs looks a wee bit flat, despite the score.
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@Frank said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Rugby is getting boring. We are too good.
Funny you should say that, in the UK post match discussion Delport and Fitzy were asked if the ABs domination was good for the game or not and isn't rugby better when there is more competitiveness? They both shirked around the answer a bit but eventually agreed more or less that it is not good for the game. However I do not see it as NZ's obligation to get worse, the rest of us need to get better.
@Catogrande said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Frank said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Rugby is getting boring. We are too good.
Funny you should say that, in the UK post match discussion Delport and Fitzy were asked if the ABs domination was good for the game or not and isn't rugby better when there is more competitiveness? They both shirked around the answer a bit but eventually agreed more or less that it is not good for the game. However I do not see it as NZ's obligation to get worse, the rest of us need to get better.
I think it's pretty much a fact so, hopefully without being arrogant, I don't think it's a totally bad thing for rugby in general. The Aussies similarly dominated cricket for a while and it didn't remotely die. In fact, they've had lots of periods of dominance.
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@Frank said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Rugby is getting boring. We are too good.
Funny you should say that, in the UK post match discussion Delport and Fitzy were asked if the ABs domination was good for the game or not and isn't rugby better when there is more competitiveness? They both shirked around the answer a bit but eventually agreed more or less that it is not good for the game. However I do not see it as NZ's obligation to get worse, the rest of us need to get better.
@Catogrande said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Frank said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Rugby is getting boring. We are too good.
Funny you should say that, in the UK post match discussion Delport and Fitzy were asked if the ABs domination was good for the game or not and isn't rugby better when there is more competitiveness? They both shirked around the answer a bit but eventually agreed more or less that it is not good for the game. However I do not see it as NZ's obligation to get worse, the rest of us need to get better.
If Fitzy didn't pause to check if the host was being serious and then slap his knee in mirth, do that wee symbol of the your fingers playing a violin and exclaim "suck it up you piss weak whinging losers"
then
his journey to being a sell out is complete.
All empires fall eventually. Cato is right, improve, don't bemoan another's success
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Mates discussed this whilst watching yesterday. That Oz cricket team were immense, but hell they were arrogant with it. At least the ABs make an effort to portray a fair measure of humility.
@pakman said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Mates discussed this whilst watching yesterday. That Oz cricket team were immense, but hell they were arrogant with it. At least the ABs make an effort to portray a fair measure of humility.
Nah we're so arrogant we don't acknowledge the opponent after we've won by 30....
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on Fekitoa i think some of the criticism is a wee bit harsh. to say he is a short term solution, maybe he is or isn't and i would agree if his current play was the best he can offer then he maybe keeping the seat warm. but i think he can play better than he is and is a bit down on confidence. i reckon he is a couple of line breaks and broken tackles away from breaking the shackles and regaining his fizz.
he is still very busy around the rucks and a committed tackler and player so not really a liability for the team. if the all blacks were losing and in desperate need for a midfield fix then situ would be different however they are winning easily and so the selectors at the moment can afford to allow the time for him to (hopefully) work out.
the comparisons with Nonu also a bit unfair as it's comparing a relatively inexperienced player with one who retired as arguably one of NZ's greatest ever mid fielders. Nonu took several years to establish himself let alone be considered a great player (not that I am suggesting Feks can or should be persevered with for that long).
I think Buckman chose a bad year to miss a season thru injury and might have had an opportunity in the AB environment this year if he'd played as well as he did last year and with the way things have gone. hope he comes back roaring next year and looking forward to seeing him back in action in the super comp.
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@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@mariner4life you mean those not picked because of quotas or injury?
I think the quota thing is overdone.
On another forum the question was asked who was picked on race and should not be there and there was only one player identified (reserve hooker Bongi), and even he had been dropped for the game against the AB's. Arguably he wasn't a quota player but a project player they were hoping to get some experience
There really aren't many (if any) players who are disadvantaged due to the quota system.
Does anyone else know of any player in the Boks who is there on race and not on merit?
@Damo said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@mariner4life you mean those not picked because of quotas or injury?
I think the quota thing is overdone.
On another forum the question was asked who was picked on race and should not be there and there was only one player identified (reserve hooker Bongi), and even he had been dropped for the game against the AB's. Arguably he wasn't a quota player but a project player they were hoping to get some experience
There really aren't many (if any) players who are disadvantaged due to the quota system.
Does anyone else know of any player in the Boks who is there on race and not on merit?
De Allende has had a terrible season with the Lions Center outplaying him all season. Oupa Mohoje is another quota player.
More importantly however is the fact that implementing quotas means that you will not attract top coaching talent. This is why our Bok attacking coach is this guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mzwandile_Stick
CV:2013 Eastern Province U21(assistant)
2014–2015 Eastern Province Kings (Vodacom Cup head coach) -Vodacom cup is one tier below Currie Cup
2014–2015 Eastern Province U19 (head coach)
2016 Kings (assistant)
2016–present South Africa (assistant)The problem with selecting quota's (other than the obvious of keeping out more talented players) is that they then clog up the development of up and coming talent ie: Malcolm Marx cannot get a go off the bench because of Bongi keeping up the numbers.
The point I was making earlier in this thread is that the All Blacks are the best team on this planet, and these policies are not helping us compete.
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@taniwharugby said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
How stink must the Ioanes feel to be left out of this hilarious meme ?
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@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Virgil said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
Agree with sentiments that we need to play England to see how good we are because we are smashing everyone else,
I think you mean England need to play us to if they are actually any good.
We know we are good, we have won the last 2 RWC's, have lost like 3 games during the past 100 years.
What exactly do we have left to prove??
You always have to prove something. OK so let me ask it this way. Who is the next team on the horizon that may test us beyond the rugby championship?
I know you asked Vidgil but from my pov I'm not quaking in my boots about England
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Goddam I love seeing that gloryhunter Habana made to look like a Muppet. Was that 3 walk in tries due to him being out of position?
People giving Fekitoa a hard time maybe aren't noticing how excellent his defence is. Gee he makes some irksome mistakes on attack though.
@broughie Ardie dropped it onto the boot and it almost came off. But hey, what was wrong with the option of a simple pass to the space outside him.....not flashy enough for Ardie?
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@Damo said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@mariner4life you mean those not picked because of quotas or injury?
I think the quota thing is overdone.
On another forum the question was asked who was picked on race and should not be there and there was only one player identified (reserve hooker Bongi), and even he had been dropped for the game against the AB's. Arguably he wasn't a quota player but a project player they were hoping to get some experience
There really aren't many (if any) players who are disadvantaged due to the quota system.
Does anyone else know of any player in the Boks who is there on race and not on merit?
De Allende has had a terrible season with the Lions Center outplaying him all season. Oupa Mohoje is another quota player.
More importantly however is the fact that implementing quotas means that you will not attract top coaching talent. This is why our Bok attacking coach is this guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mzwandile_Stick
CV:2013 Eastern Province U21(assistant)
2014–2015 Eastern Province Kings (Vodacom Cup head coach) -Vodacom cup is one tier below Currie Cup
2014–2015 Eastern Province U19 (head coach)
2016 Kings (assistant)
2016–present South Africa (assistant)The problem with selecting quota's (other than the obvious of keeping out more talented players) is that they then clog up the development of up and coming talent ie: Malcolm Marx cannot get a go off the bench because of Bongi keeping up the numbers.
The point I was making earlier in this thread is that the All Blacks are the best team on this planet, and these policies are not helping us compete.
@RaGe_X said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@Damo said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@broughie said in All Pinks vs Boks - Christchurch:
@mariner4life you mean those not picked because of quotas or injury?
I think the quota thing is overdone.
On another forum the question was asked who was picked on race and should not be there and there was only one player identified (reserve hooker Bongi), and even he had been dropped for the game against the AB's. Arguably he wasn't a quota player but a project player they were hoping to get some experience
There really aren't many (if any) players who are disadvantaged due to the quota system.
Does anyone else know of any player in the Boks who is there on race and not on merit?
De Allende has had a terrible season with the Lions Center outplaying him all season. Oupa Mohoje is another quota player.
More importantly however is the fact that implementing quotas means that you will not attract top coaching talent. This is why our Bok attacking coach is this guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mzwandile_Stick
CV:2013 Eastern Province U21(assistant)
2014–2015 Eastern Province Kings (Vodacom Cup head coach) -Vodacom cup is one tier below Currie Cup
2014–2015 Eastern Province U19 (head coach)
2016 Kings (assistant)
2016–present South Africa (assistant)The problem with selecting quota's (other than the obvious of keeping out more talented players) is that they then clog up the development of up and coming talent ie: Malcolm Marx cannot get a go off the bench because of Bongi keeping up the numbers.
The point I was making earlier in this thread is that the All Blacks are the best team on this planet, and these policies are not helping us compete.
I agree completely. The quotas are killing SA rugby, not just at the top level. Without a doubt it would be ABs/SA 1 and 2 in the world with the talent available in SA. Must be tough work supporting them at the moment.
