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@NTA said in Other Cricket:
@barbarian similar to how Gilchrist's record was great, but always clouded by the fact he was usually coming in after the top order pounded shit out of everyone.
Years ago I saw a stat that counted Gilchrist centuries in an innings where someone else had a century above him - and it was more often than not I believe.
Gilly gets labelled with this a little unfairly. I think i did the math on it once and he came in at 5 for less than 200 before going on to get a hundred around half of his centuries. I think that stat gets blown out by the guy above him having time to get a hundred because the #7 averaged 50. (i do seem to remember a hundred opening the batting once as well which probably affects this math)
It's like people are trying to pick holes in that team because Australia had the good fortune to put together a test XI of all time players at the same time.
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my job is very boring
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Gilly was a game changer.
I always liked Alec Stewart as a keeper batsman but Gilly blew the role out of the water.
Hayden would be one of my openers but then I saw a good article saying that Taylor/Slater ( fine players in their own right ) faced better attacks ? Will try and dig it out.
Justin Langer was an excellent player but if I remember rightly he retired at the same time as Warne and McGrath and pretty much got forgotten about ? Speaks volumes about how amazing that team was
In my mythical all time Aussie team Smith, Ponting and Chappell fight for two spots. Whichever way you look at it a legend will miss out.
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@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
Whichever way you look at it a legend will miss out
that's their entire order though. They've had that many fucking good players, and that's just the ones i can remember over the past 40-odd years, let alone the guys from the 70s and 80s.
Ridiculous cricketing nation. The Aus all time 3rd XI is probably as good as most nations Firsts.
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@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
Whichever way you look at it a legend will miss out
that's their entire order though. They've had that many fucking good players, and that's just the ones i can remember over the past 40-odd years, let alone the guys from the 70s and 80s.
Ridiculous cricketing nation. The Aus all time 3rd XI is probably as good as most nations Firsts.
Definitely. Guys like Clarke, Hussey, Martyn, M Waugh etc are absolutely no chance of an all time XI. Possibly not even 2nd…….
I don’t reckon they have quite the same depth in the bowling department.
……and Keith Miller was their only great all rounder. They are a nation of specialists on the whole.
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when you have four bowlers the quality that they normally put out, and a keeper at 7 that averages 50, an all-rounder is a waste of a batting spot.
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@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
I don’t reckon they have quite the same depth in the bowling departmen
oof
maybe not from the early 90s
but beyond that? The four they have now are unlikely to make the 2nd XI and they are brilliant.
Even spin, i mean Warnie walks in. Nathan Lyon has 539 wickets.
Stuart MacGill has 200+ wickets at less than 30 as the forgotten leg spinner who only played when Warnie got himself suspended. And that's before black and white dudes like Richie Benaud.i think if you start listing them out the list will start stretching fast than you think.
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@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
I don’t reckon they have quite the same depth in the bowling departmen
oof
maybe not from the early 90s
but beyond that? The four they have now are unlikely to make the 2nd XI and they are brilliant.
I think by the time he retires Cummins will have a pretty decent first XI case. In fact I think he's got a case now. The captaincy thing is pretty huge for a bowler, and he's won all the trophies there is to win.
Which other quicks have a case? McGrath and Lillee, sure but then... McDermott? Lindwall? Thommo? Lee? Starc? I'm picking Cummins over each of them I think. 294 wickets at 22, in an era where batsmen have broadly dominated over bowlers.
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when he's gone i think you are right. These all time lists are always filled with nostalgia
sort of opposite to the batting above, being part of a foursome who take shitloads of wickets off each other might just take the shine off (i say might)
Like, you can see the discussion being "was he THAT much better than Hazlewood who has 280 at 24" or "Starcy knocked over the top order and took 80 more wickets"McGrath walks in with sheer bulk wickets as well as the ridiculous average.
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You can't be wrong on those coin toss selections. You've always got the fallback of arguing about balance. Fearsome speed and the other end consistently putting it in a near unplayable line and length. etc.
Cummins and McGrath I think are unbackable in the modern era.
Re Punter and Smith, I'd be swayed by Smith having a cumulative average over 60 during the period 2016-2022. That's astonishing, even if every other country suddenly forgot how to bowl and wickets were practice nets for batsmen.
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@barbarian but would i have a beer with him? gee probably not. big quality i look for in my cricketers
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@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
@barbarian but would i have a beer with him? gee probably not. big quality i look for in my cricketers
Bradman didn’t like a beer but I’m sure you’d pick him
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@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
I don’t reckon they have quite the same depth in the bowling departmen
oof
maybe not from the early 90s
but beyond that? The four they have now are unlikely to make the 2nd XI and they are brilliant.
Even spin, i mean Warnie walks in. Nathan Lyon has 539 wickets.
Stuart MacGill has 200+ wickets at less than 30 as the forgotten leg spinner who only played when Warnie got himself suspended. And that's before black and white dudes like Richie Benaud.i think if you start listing them out the list will start stretching fast than you think.
I’m talking relatively speaking.
I mean their batting depth of guys you’d consider ‘very good’ is ridiculous. Ross Taylor level give or take…..I Chappell, M Waugh, Hussey, Clarke, Langer, Martyn, Warner, Kawaja, Tubby, Boon, Slater, D Jones……again, all terrific players but no chance of an all time XI
I just don’t reckon the bowling depth is quite as high overall.
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@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
@barbarian but would i have a beer with him? gee probably not. big quality i look for in my cricketers
You'd have a beer with Hazlewood tho. And try to slip him a roofie
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For me I think Kombucha boy is already in the top four pace bowlers. Will have over 300 wickets bye end of calendar year which puts him in elite category anyway
All subjective of course but only Lillee and McGrath are automatic entries
Lillee, Quick, good average able to rip through teams with 10 wicket bags. The most by a pace bowler in Australia still. Based on recency ,most remember McGrath anyway and his stats speak for himself, best average, incredible amount of wicketsThen a massive debate for remaining spot.. lots of names could fit here
If two spinners then you have to think about Lyon, Grimmet, MacGill. Imagine having the third highest amount of test wickets in Australian history and not making the starting 11 (Lyon)
