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  • canefanC canefan

    It goes to show that SBs are still won with a strong O line, dominant defence, and strong running game

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    @canefan said in NFL 2024:

    It goes to show that SBs are still won with a strong O line, dominant defence, and strong running game

    Does it? KC won the previous two with a similar set-up to the one they had this year - patchwork O-line, decent defence, no RBs or WRs to speak of, but a generational QB and TE.

    The 9ers had all those things you listed and couldn't get it done on two occasions.

    Difference here I think was Mahomes having an all-time stinker, and Philly capitalising on a few big plays better than San Francisco ever did.

    If you're Kyle Shanahan you're crying into your beer at home, thinking 'why couldn't we get THIS version of Mahomes?'

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    • barbarianB barbarian

      @canefan said in NFL 2024:

      It goes to show that SBs are still won with a strong O line, dominant defence, and strong running game

      Does it? KC won the previous two with a similar set-up to the one they had this year - patchwork O-line, decent defence, no RBs or WRs to speak of, but a generational QB and TE.

      The 9ers had all those things you listed and couldn't get it done on two occasions.

      Difference here I think was Mahomes having an all-time stinker, and Philly capitalising on a few big plays better than San Francisco ever did.

      If you're Kyle Shanahan you're crying into your beer at home, thinking 'why couldn't we get THIS version of Mahomes?'

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      @barbarian we weren't able to pressure Mahomes the way that Philly did. No one likes getting put on the ground that many times

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        True. But it wasn't like previous Chiefs teams had a rock solid O-line.

        Mahomes was rattled in a way I'd never seen before.

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        • barbarianB barbarian

          True. But it wasn't like previous Chiefs teams had a rock solid O-line.

          Mahomes was rattled in a way I'd never seen before.

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          @barbarian said in NFL 2024:

          True. But it wasn't like previous Chiefs teams had a rock solid O-line.

          Mahomes was rattled in a way I'd never seen before.

          They'd squeaked their way through all season. Just got monstered by a more solid team

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            Jesus, the Eagles absolutely clocked the last off-season

            • Hired OC Kellen Moore
            • Hired DC Vic Fangio
            • Signed RB Saquon Barkley
            • Signed DB C.J. Gardner-Johnson
            • Signed LB Zack Baun
            • Signed G/T Mekhi Becton
            • Signed LB Oren Burks
            • Drafted CB Quinyon Mitchell (R1)
            • Drafted CB Cooper DeJean (R2)
            • Drafted DE Jalyx Hunt (R3)
            • Traded for WR Jahan Dotson
            • Traded for QB Kenny Pickett
            • Extended WR A.J. Brown
            • Extended WR DeVonta Smith
            • Extended G Landon Dickerson
            • Extended T Jordan Mailata
            • Extended K Jake Elliot

            Improved their defence from one of the worst to the best. Signed a RB that had an all-time season. Kept their elite receiver corp. Won a SB

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              They key to this game, in my eyes, was the fact the KC O-line was unable to stop 4 guys getting to Mahomes at all. They did not blitcz once and yet got like 50% pressures and 6 sacks. If you can do that with 4 guys it also means your passing lanes are clogged and Mahomes had nothing to go to. Throw in Kelce having an all-time stinker and looking very old and slow of foot, and it just fell apart.

              Fangio and that young athletic defence just dominated, and once the KC defence got tired from being on the field all day, the Eagles feasted.

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                Interesting off-season for the two SB teams. The Eagles will do what is supposed to happen to SB winners, and get picked apart (they have a lot of free agents). But they are stacked and they just keep nailing drafts year after year.

                As Barb said, KC have skated by on very little elite talent outside of a couple of key positions. One of those guys looks cooked. Chris Jones is probably their only elite defender and he is 30. Mahomes is getting absolutely obscene money now so their ability to trade up is limited. They're not going away completely thanks to Mahomes and coaching (for now anyway) but even the Patriots fell away a bit between their two distinct dynasties.

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                  If you're KC, trying to rebuild on the fly is hard but not impossible. After all you have Mahomes and that means you're a playoff team nearly every year - even now your division looks a bit tougher than it has in the past.

                  Surely they can upgrade at RB and WR. Get Rashee Rice back, another year into Worthy, put the ghost of DeAndre Hopkins out to pasture and find a few guys on the free agent market.

                  Then you put all the effort you can into the O-line and try and piece that back together.

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                  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                    Interesting off-season for the two SB teams. The Eagles will do what is supposed to happen to SB winners, and get picked apart (they have a lot of free agents). But they are stacked and they just keep nailing drafts year after year.

                    As Barb said, KC have skated by on very little elite talent outside of a couple of key positions. One of those guys looks cooked. Chris Jones is probably their only elite defender and he is 30. Mahomes is getting absolutely obscene money now so their ability to trade up is limited. They're not going away completely thanks to Mahomes and coaching (for now anyway) but even the Patriots fell away a bit between their two distinct dynasties.

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                    @mariner4life said in NFL 2024:

                    Mahomes is getting absolutely obscene money now so their ability to trade up is limited.

                    Not even in the top 10! I think it was about 45M/year for 10 years. The base cap is 272M ... so there is enough room there to move around.

                    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfls-top-10-highest-paid-qbs-of-2024-where-dak-prescotts-new-cowboys-deal-stacks-up/

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                      his cap hit is like $67M though (NFL contracts are complicated) which is 24%

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                        They can push up to about 40m of that into the future though.

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                        • nzzpN nzzp

                          @mariner4life said in NFL 2024:

                          Mahomes is getting absolutely obscene money now so their ability to trade up is limited.

                          Not even in the top 10! I think it was about 45M/year for 10 years. The base cap is 272M ... so there is enough room there to move around.

                          https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfls-top-10-highest-paid-qbs-of-2024-where-dak-prescotts-new-cowboys-deal-stacks-up/

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                          @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                          @mariner4life said in NFL 2024:

                          Mahomes is getting absolutely obscene money now so their ability to trade up is limited.

                          Not even in the top 10! I think it was about 45M/year for 10 years. The base cap is 272M ... so there is enough room there to move around.

                          https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfls-top-10-highest-paid-qbs-of-2024-where-dak-prescotts-new-cowboys-deal-stacks-up/

                          Dak is a wage thief. Just another bad decision from Jerry Jones

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                                Jets are moving on from Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams

                                I am sure some desperate GM is going to take him on for a year of just above average QB play, and all the drama that goes with it. I don't know who though. The "win now" teams are all pretty set, and the rest are in development mode.

                                The funny one would be the Vikings, just for the symmetry

                                Someone will definitely pick Adams up.

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                                  Yeah Adams was good, just not worth the 34 million that he was due. I suspect no one will give Rodgers the control and freedom he expects and his ego will be too big to handle not being the big man on campus.

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                                    Draft kicked off

                                    Cam Ward goes first, then the Browns trade back and then Travis Hunter goes 2

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                                      Feels weird to say this, but I love what the Browns did. Travis Hunter is a great prospect, but to get Mason Graham, plus an extra 2nd this year and at extra 1st next year is fantastic.

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                                        https://abcnews.go.com/US/bill-belichick-defends-girlfriend-after-interview-moment-viral/story?id=121329946

                                        Nice work Bill!

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                                          Couple of things

                                          NCAA kicks off this weekend. Three big top ten matchups tomorrow - so a taster before NFL kicks off next Friday NZT.

                                          Also, this is not the Onion
                                          https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/08/29/bill-belichick-jordon-hudson-apply-trademark-gold-digger/

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