EPL 2024/2025
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Great come from behind victory by Aston Villla against Chelsea yesterday to win 2-1.
Marco Asensio with two goals and Marcus Rashford with two asssits. Both looking like £80m+ players. Thanks PSG and thank you Manure!
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@KiwiPie The exception to your dire predictions for promoted clubs is two seasons ago. Fulham, Bournemouth and Forest all stayed up and now all three are in the Europe conversation. With Fulham the most likely to miss out
Fulham learned from their previous failed promotions and backed a talented Manager. Bournemouth are an incredibly well-run club with a vision of where they want to be and Forest rolled the dice and decided spending up large would bring more points than the likely deduction for ignoring the rules.
I agree none of the likely promotion candidates look equipped to adopt any of those survival strategies
@dogmeat Leeds could buck the trend and stay up next year that's my prediction anyway, even if this year all promoted clubs go back down this year
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it's quite interesting, and overall good for the league i think, just how much the overall league itself has changed. The middle of the table (basically 3rd to 16th) has flattened remarkably.
If you look 10 years ago, the top 2 still accumulated a shit ton of points, but back then 3rd and even 4th weren't that far behind. This year it looks like the top two will finish in excess of 80 points, but it looks like 3rd will probably not even break 70.
And then behind that now it gets really flat. West Ham in 16th already have nearly as many points after 26 games as the 16th finisher a decade ago. The gap from 4th to 16th was 42 points then, it's 14 now.
And the relegated teams suuuuck. A decade ago 30 points got you last place. The chance of any of the bottom 3 getting to 25 is remote at best.
So the middle are taking points off each other in a far more regular fashion, and everyone is taking points off the bottom sides. And that's good. Right now there are probably 8 teams all considering themselves a realistic chance to play Champions League football next season.
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it's quite interesting, and overall good for the league i think, just how much the overall league itself has changed. The middle of the table (basically 3rd to 16th) has flattened remarkably.
If you look 10 years ago, the top 2 still accumulated a shit ton of points, but back then 3rd and even 4th weren't that far behind. This year it looks like the top two will finish in excess of 80 points, but it looks like 3rd will probably not even break 70.
And then behind that now it gets really flat. West Ham in 16th already have nearly as many points after 26 games as the 16th finisher a decade ago. The gap from 4th to 16th was 42 points then, it's 14 now.
And the relegated teams suuuuck. A decade ago 30 points got you last place. The chance of any of the bottom 3 getting to 25 is remote at best.
So the middle are taking points off each other in a far more regular fashion, and everyone is taking points off the bottom sides. And that's good. Right now there are probably 8 teams all considering themselves a realistic chance to play Champions League football next season.
@mariner4life said in EPL 2024/2025:
it's quite interesting, and overall good for the league i think, just how much the overall league itself has changed. The middle of the table (basically 3rd to 16th) has flattened remarkably.
If you look 10 years ago, the top 2 still accumulated a shit ton of points, but back then 3rd and even 4th weren't that far behind. This year it looks like the top two will finish in excess of 80 points, but it looks like 3rd will probably not even break 70.
And then behind that now it gets really flat. West Ham in 16th already have nearly as many points after 26 games as the 16th finisher a decade ago. The gap from 4th to 16th was 42 points then, it's 14 now.
And the relegated teams suuuuck. A decade ago 30 points got you last place. The chance of any of the bottom 3 getting to 25 is remote at best.
So the middle are taking points off each other in a far more regular fashion, and everyone is taking points off the bottom sides. And that's good. Right now there are probably 8 teams all considering themselves a realistic chance to play Champions League football next season.
absolutely and that middle still has plenty of banana skins with teams trying to stay outside the bottom, makes for a thrilling finish, even if it is not the traditional relegation battle
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it's quite interesting, and overall good for the league i think, just how much the overall league itself has changed. The middle of the table (basically 3rd to 16th) has flattened remarkably.
If you look 10 years ago, the top 2 still accumulated a shit ton of points, but back then 3rd and even 4th weren't that far behind. This year it looks like the top two will finish in excess of 80 points, but it looks like 3rd will probably not even break 70.
And then behind that now it gets really flat. West Ham in 16th already have nearly as many points after 26 games as the 16th finisher a decade ago. The gap from 4th to 16th was 42 points then, it's 14 now.
And the relegated teams suuuuck. A decade ago 30 points got you last place. The chance of any of the bottom 3 getting to 25 is remote at best.
So the middle are taking points off each other in a far more regular fashion, and everyone is taking points off the bottom sides. And that's good. Right now there are probably 8 teams all considering themselves a realistic chance to play Champions League football next season.
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@nonpartizan said in EPL 2024/2025:
@sparky said in EPL 2024/2025:
Great come from behind victory by Aston Villla against Chelsea yesterday to win 2-1.
Marco Asensio with two goals and Marcus Rashford with two asssits. Both looking like £80m+ players. Thanks PSG and thank you Manure!
Villa were worth that win.
We (Chelsea) are finished as of right now. I genuinely think we will end up 10th..... For all the money we spent we only have two real star players - Palmer & Caceido, no leaders and no elite keeper.
Under the new ownership we have essentially been consistently mid table (save for the last dozen games of 23/24) and without Palmer we would have been much worse than that. There is no clear pathway back into the top 4 because our squad is so poorly put together. You would need to rebuild a rebuild.
It's been a shambles ever since Clearlake took over.
Although Jackson as a finisher is shaky, I think he's really been missed since he got injured - he's very quick and always prepared to run in behind and that opens up the pitch for the rest of the team (well Palmer I suppose).
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@nonpartizan said in EPL 2024/2025:
@sparky said in EPL 2024/2025:
Great come from behind victory by Aston Villla against Chelsea yesterday to win 2-1.
Marco Asensio with two goals and Marcus Rashford with two asssits. Both looking like £80m+ players. Thanks PSG and thank you Manure!
Villa were worth that win.
We (Chelsea) are finished as of right now. I genuinely think we will end up 10th..... For all the money we spent we only have two real star players - Palmer & Caceido, no leaders and no elite keeper.
Under the new ownership we have essentially been consistently mid table (save for the last dozen games of 23/24) and without Palmer we would have been much worse than that. There is no clear pathway back into the top 4 because our squad is so poorly put together. You would need to rebuild a rebuild.
It's been a shambles ever since Clearlake took over.
Although Jackson as a finisher is shaky, I think he's really been missed since he got injured - he's very quick and always prepared to run in behind and that opens up the pitch for the rest of the team (well Palmer I suppose).
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lol that is kind of funny.
Bournemouth almost found a way to draw against BHA but couldnt get home, easier to replace a striker than a central defender. Zabarnyi harder to replace, could hurt us next couple of matches until he returns
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Really didn’t like welbeck when he played for United back in the day but he has got better and better with age. Quality finish to send Brighton past Newcastle.
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Really didn’t like welbeck when he played for United back in the day but he has got better and better with age. Quality finish to send Brighton past Newcastle.
@Billy-Tell said in EPL 2024/2025:
Really didn’t like welbeck when he played for United back in the day but he has got better and better with age. Quality finish to send Brighton past Newcastle.
I always thought Welbeck was similar to Alvaro Morato in that he had all of the attributes to be a great striker, size with pace and could be brilliant at times but lacked that certain something to be great. Pretty sure if he was in this current United team he would look terrible whereas at Brighton he always has players to combine with.
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There’s at least one Fulham fan, no?
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I’ll throw in Man City as a guess for one.
@Billy-Tell said in EPL 2024/2025:
I’ll throw in Man City as a guess for one.
Nope - never made it down as low as the 4th tier.
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Quiz question for your Monday - name the 5 clubs that have been champions of all 4 English divisions.
