Hurricanes vs Blues

[Duluth]

That Telea try was special. Strange that the clipped versions of it online miss the buildup.. the BB and Clarke runs

Those runs were missing from the official SR highlights too

For those that didn't see the full try, these extended highlights show it at 8:35

[Nepia]

@frugby said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@African-Monkey said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Tim said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@chchfanatic Great post!

Speaking of Sotutu, how come he got red when Cam Millar got nothing on Friday night?

Watching it again, Sotutu should have only got yellow. Hard done by.

@African-Monkey said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Tim said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@chchfanatic Great post!

Speaking of Sotutu, how come he got red when Cam Millar got nothing on Friday night?

Watching it again, Sotutu should have only got yellow. Hard done by.

Has been inconsistent all weekend. IMO, none of the ones I have seen are red cards. Millar the closest, but it was such low force, with Toala driving forward, which is probably the mitigation.

Sotutu's was clumsy, but again, hardly high force/danger. Not quite sure how that wasn't just a yellow.

Razor and his cabal are behind it, they can't afford to have Sotutu dominate this year and not pick him. Even though he's easing himself into the comp, they want to enforce a few weeks where he can't play. 100% fact.

[voodoo]

Can anybody the fatties on here explain the last scrum penalty to me? From my “never been in a scrum” position, it looked like they were heaps straighter than the previous reset and they totally folded the Blues pack - was it illegal? I couldn’t hear the comms, was the penalty for boring in?

[booboo]

@Duluth said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

That Telea try was special. Strange that the clipped versions of it online miss the buildup.. the BB and Clarke runs

Those runs were missing from the official SR highlights too

For those that didn't see the full try, these extended highlights show it at 8:35

Telea's slow eh?

[Duluth]

Good to see the Blues defence get back to it's previous standards. It was still a bit leaky in the first half but came right in the second spell. The Canes had plenty of ball but often it was slow or behind the gainline

Only conceding 2 tries when a side like the Canes has 60% possession is a good effort

Incidentally I have the opta stats. Anything you guys want to know?

[African Monkey]

@Duluth said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

Good to see the Blues defence get back to it's previous standards. It was still a bit leaky in the first half but came right in the second spell. The Canes had plenty of ball but often it was slow or behind the gainline

Only conceding 2 tries when a side like the Canes has 60% possession is a good effort

Incidentally I have the opta stats. Anything you guys want to know?

Yeah sometimes you just need a win to get things going, and who knows, maybe that was it. Still miles away from where we want to be, but a BP win in the capital might just be what we need to turn our fortunes around, and the BP is almost a reward for as you pointed out, our defensive effort.

In regards to the stats, give us anything!

[Duluth]

Impressive from Dalton considering he only played 58mins

Beehre was a machine. Those ruck arrivals plus 25 tackles (RR next most Blues tackles with 19 and for the Canes Kirifi had the top with 12)

[Duluth]

Lakai and Suafoa both had disappointing games on defence

PL made 10 missed 5
CS made 12 missed 5

[Duluth]

Roigard is the dominant kicker for the Canes.

[Duluth]

Canes generally ahead on the carry stats. Number of carries, metres, one out carries etc.

Blues did pretty good on dominant tackles

Both stats are related to that 60/40 possession split though

[canefan]

@Nepia said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@African-Monkey said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Tim said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@chchfanatic Great post!

Speaking of Sotutu, how come he got red when Cam Millar got nothing on Friday night?

Watching it again, Sotutu should have only got yellow. Hard done by.

I genuinely have no fucking idea how they judge cards anymore. People try to make out there's a process being followed. If there actually is one then it's a shit process.

People laughed at me a couple of years ago when I said someone should use AI to decide on which infringements get which punishment. The tech has advanced so much I reckon it would work. And besides it can't be any worse than the shit we have now

[Nepia]

@canefan said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Nepia said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@African-Monkey said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Tim said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@chchfanatic Great post!

Speaking of Sotutu, how come he got red when Cam Millar got nothing on Friday night?

Watching it again, Sotutu should have only got yellow. Hard done by.

I genuinely have no fucking idea how they judge cards anymore. People try to make out there's a process being followed. If there actually is one then it's a shit process.

People laughed at me a couple of years ago when I said someone should use AI to decide on which infringements get which punishment. The tech has advanced so much I reckon it would work. And besides it can't be any worse than the shit we have now

It would be just as dumb as now because it will have been trained on dumb decisions.

Would we feel better about it knowing that dumb AI was making the decision rather than dumb humans - maybe.

[Nepia]

@Duluth said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

Lakai and Suafoa both had disappointing games on defence

PL made 10 missed 5
CS made 12 missed 5

Raw stats yes but maybe with the asterisk of maybe some of the missed tackles were last ditch attempts to cover other's mistakes?

Not arguing that, I didn't watch the game intently, just speculating as sometimes, as we all know, the raw stats don't always tell the whole story.

[canefan]

@Nepia said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@canefan said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Nepia said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@African-Monkey said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Tim said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@chchfanatic Great post!

Speaking of Sotutu, how come he got red when Cam Millar got nothing on Friday night?

Watching it again, Sotutu should have only got yellow. Hard done by.

I genuinely have no fucking idea how they judge cards anymore. People try to make out there's a process being followed. If there actually is one then it's a shit process.

People laughed at me a couple of years ago when I said someone should use AI to decide on which infringements get which punishment. The tech has advanced so much I reckon it would work. And besides it can't be any worse than the shit we have now

It would be just as dumb as now because it will have been trained on dumb decisions.

Would we feel better about it knowing that dumb AI was making the decision rather than dumb humans - maybe.

I'm sure they can make a library of correct decisions for AI to base it's decisions on. I do that all the time with CF Jr's homework

[KiwiMurph]

@booboo said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Duluth said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

That Telea try was special. Strange that the clipped versions of it online miss the buildup.. the BB and Clarke runs

Those runs were missing from the official SR highlights too

For those that didn't see the full try, these extended highlights show it at 8:35

Telea's slow eh?

He went around Hohepa who is in the running as the slowest back in the comp - I'm not sure this is the example to use to claim Tele'a is fast.

[Nepia]

@canefan said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Nepia said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@canefan said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Nepia said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@African-Monkey said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Tim said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@chchfanatic Great post!

Speaking of Sotutu, how come he got red when Cam Millar got nothing on Friday night?

Watching it again, Sotutu should have only got yellow. Hard done by.

I genuinely have no fucking idea how they judge cards anymore. People try to make out there's a process being followed. If there actually is one then it's a shit process.

People laughed at me a couple of years ago when I said someone should use AI to decide on which infringements get which punishment. The tech has advanced so much I reckon it would work. And besides it can't be any worse than the shit we have now

It would be just as dumb as now because it will have been trained on dumb decisions.

Would we feel better about it knowing that dumb AI was making the decision rather than dumb humans - maybe.

I'm sure they can make a library of correct decisions for AI to base it's decisions on. I do that all the time with CF Jr's homework

Who is making that library?

[Duluth]

@KiwiMurph said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

guys like C Christie adding some energy

He took his chance. I wonder long term his correct position is blindside? He's played there for NH before

[African Monkey]

@Duluth said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

Lakai and Suafoa both had disappointing games on defence

PL made 10 missed 5
CS made 12 missed 5

Yeah Suafoa is an interesting case. He's our best bet at 6 for now, but a step down from Ioane . Not saying he's not physically commanding, but he's not as physical in the tight as Akira was especially last year.

[canefan]

@Nepia said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@canefan said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Nepia said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@canefan said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Nepia said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@African-Monkey said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@Tim said in Hurricanes vs Blues:

@chchfanatic Great post!

Speaking of Sotutu, how come he got red when Cam Millar got nothing on Friday night?

Watching it again, Sotutu should have only got yellow. Hard done by.

I genuinely have no fucking idea how they judge cards anymore. People try to make out there's a process being followed. If there actually is one then it's a shit process.

People laughed at me a couple of years ago when I said someone should use AI to decide on which infringements get which punishment. The tech has advanced so much I reckon it would work. And besides it can't be any worse than the shit we have now

It would be just as dumb as now because it will have been trained on dumb decisions.

Would we feel better about it knowing that dumb AI was making the decision rather than dumb humans - maybe.

I'm sure they can make a library of correct decisions for AI to base it's decisions on. I do that all the time with CF Jr's homework

Who is making that library?

Just as important, how to agree on criteria and threshold for each card? No simple answer, but the current system is a mess, with vague attempts at guidelines often ignored as referees and TMOs make shit up to suit themselves. But, just as tech has rendered lines people in tennis redundant, and with the NFL apparently about to employ AI for some decisions including deciding on short yardage 1st downs, ultimately the tech will make more consistent decisions

[george33]

@KiwiMurph don't talk rubbish, watch again.