Highlanders 2025
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@Kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2025:
@Landers92 not even when we had gilbert on the wing?
Funnily enough, that was Gilbert’s best game
@Landers92 said in Highlanders 2025:
@Kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2025:
@Landers92 not even when we had gilbert on the wing?
Funnily enough, that was Gilbert’s best game
im definitely seeing different things to other, and maybe im wrong
Gilberts always had pretty good positional play i think...but if once he's received it he runs straight back and turns it over...it kind of undermines the good he did
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This season has just reaffirmed that Gilbert is just an ok player. He is your perfect squad player. However, we have had several injuries that have meant hebhad played a lot more minutes than we would have hoped.
I also agree that his best game was the one he played on the wing.
Last week he did some good things. But as well as Robinson, he was terrible under the high ball and it was regularly exploited.
He's pretty resilient. Doesn't get injured a lot.
He is the guy who won't lose a game. But, will never win a game either. Everything good he does, you'd expect most half decent players in that position to do as well. You'd never see him do something and go wow, no other player in the comp can pull that off like Sam Gilbert.
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Haig playing number eight for Green Island tomorrow, so that's another one who should be back for next week... win this week, take full points next week, and we are back in the running I reckon.
@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
Haig playing number eight for Green Island tomorrow, so that's another one who should be back for next week... win this week, take full points next week, and we are back in the running I reckon.
Few names in that game. Tai Cribb at lock and Jake Te Hiwi at 12 for GI. Kaikorai have Hayden Michaels at 8 and Dylan Pledger at 10, they also have Gregor Rutledge on the bench.
Taieri with Jack Sexton at prop, Cam Millar at 10, Matt Whaanga 13 and Josh Whaanga 14, JRK at 15. AU do have Fakatava but it could be a long day for them.
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Kaik running Pledger at is interesting. I'd prefer he stays at halfback. Probably just Kaik fitting him in and utilising his skillset.
Mika Muliaina also getting his first run at 10 for Uni today.
Harbour fairly stacked with imports.
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Kaik running Pledger at is interesting. I'd prefer he stays at halfback. Probably just Kaik fitting him in and utilising his skillset.
Mika Muliaina also getting his first run at 10 for Uni today.
Harbour fairly stacked with imports.
@SouthernMann Their biggest who played for the Waratahs is playing club footy in Christchurch this weekend. Wonder what went wrong there… wonder if that Harbour Hawks bloke in here can give us the details
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@SouthernMann Their biggest who played for the Waratahs is playing club footy in Christchurch this weekend. Wonder what went wrong there… wonder if that Harbour Hawks bloke in here can give us the details
@Landers92 said in Highlanders 2025:
@SouthernMann Their biggest who played for the Waratahs is playing club footy in Christchurch this weekend. Wonder what went wrong there… wonder if that Harbour Hawks bloke in here can give us the details
I think I've seen photos of him in Crusaders WTG pictures.
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Kaik running Pledger at is interesting. I'd prefer he stays at halfback. Probably just Kaik fitting him in and utilising his skillset.
Mika Muliaina also getting his first run at 10 for Uni today.
Harbour fairly stacked with imports.
@SouthernMann said in Highlanders 2025:
Kaik running Pledger at is interesting. I'd prefer he stays at halfback. Probably just Kaik fitting him in and utilising his skillset.
Mika Muliaina also getting his first run at 10 for Uni today.
Harbour fairly stacked with imports.
Kaik's 10 has broken his hand, so he's had to shift there...
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@SouthernMann said in Highlanders 2025:
Kaik running Pledger at is interesting. I'd prefer he stays at halfback. Probably just Kaik fitting him in and utilising his skillset.
Mika Muliaina also getting his first run at 10 for Uni today.
Harbour fairly stacked with imports.
Kaik's 10 has broken his hand, so he's had to shift there...
@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
@SouthernMann said in Highlanders 2025:
Kaik running Pledger at is interesting. I'd prefer he stays at halfback. Probably just Kaik fitting him in and utilising his skillset.
Mika Muliaina also getting his first run at 10 for Uni today.
Harbour fairly stacked with imports.
Kaik's 10 has broken his hand, so he's had to shift there...
Which is fair. Especially if he is only going to play a couple of games before going to NZ U20s
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First game I've turned off for the year. Shithouse
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First game I've turned off for the year. Shithouse
@SouthernMann said in Highlanders 2025:
First game I've turned off for the year. Shithouse
Don’t worry. I’m sure you’ll be able to draw plenty of positives from it. The experience will be vital for our inexperienced players against the Drua next week…
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Same players, same shit performance... Jamie Joseph has to take a portion of the blame for this.
We've ultimately gone into the year with just two locks, and their form is now faltering, because they have not been properly rotated.
We've gone into the season with Broughton (Too small), Renton (Too slow) & Stodart (Not rated seemingly) as number eight options, which has failed us, so we are now stuck with playing two openside flankers, which has very rarely been a successful strategy for any team above NPC level. If you have two All Blacks, maybe, but neither Withy nor Lasaqa are anywhere near a black jersey.
At first five, he's been purely stubborn with Taine Robinson, who started well, but his form has faded with the team's. Millar has been fit for the past two weeks, but they decided against taking him to Australia. Is he perfect? No, but he does at least have the ability to control a game with his boot, so it means will be dropping it in the 22, rather than on halfway.
The rest of the backs have generally been good, and at fullback, I maintain his hands are tied behind his back with JRK ruled out, because frankly every other option has showed their limitations.
Barring a miracle turnaround, our season is over - I want sweeping changes next week.
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Same players, same shit performance... Jamie Joseph has to take a portion of the blame for this.
We've ultimately gone into the year with just two locks, and their form is now faltering, because they have not been properly rotated.
We've gone into the season with Broughton (Too small), Renton (Too slow) & Stodart (Not rated seemingly) as number eight options, which has failed us, so we are now stuck with playing two openside flankers, which has very rarely been a successful strategy for any team above NPC level. If you have two All Blacks, maybe, but neither Withy nor Lasaqa are anywhere near a black jersey.
At first five, he's been purely stubborn with Taine Robinson, who started well, but his form has faded with the team's. Millar has been fit for the past two weeks, but they decided against taking him to Australia. Is he perfect? No, but he does at least have the ability to control a game with his boot, so it means will be dropping it in the 22, rather than on halfway.
The rest of the backs have generally been good, and at fullback, I maintain his hands are tied behind his back with JRK ruled out, because frankly every other option has showed their limitations.
Barring a miracle turnaround, our season is over - I want sweeping changes next week.
@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
Same players, same shit performance... Jamie Joseph has to take a portion of the blame for this.
We've ultimately gone into the year with just two locks, and their form is now faltering, because they have not been properly rotated.
We've gone into the season with Broughton (Too small), Renton (Too slow) & Stodart (Not rated seemingly) as number eight options, which has failed us, so we are now stuck with playing two openside flankers, which has very rarely been a successful strategy for any team above NPC level. If you have two All Blacks, maybe, but neither Withy nor Lasaqa are anywhere near a black jersey.
At first five, he's been purely stubborn with Taine Robinson, who started well, but his form has faded with the team's. Millar has been fit for the past two weeks, but they decided against taking him to Australia. Is he perfect? No, but he does at least have the ability to control a game with his boot, so it means will be dropping it in the 22, rather than on halfway.
The rest of the backs have generally been good, and at fullback, I maintain his hands are tied behind his back with JRK ruled out, because frankly every other option has showed their limitations.
Barring a miracle turnaround, our season is over - I want sweeping changes next week.
Hey hey hey. Isn’t this just unnecessarily negative…?
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@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
Same players, same shit performance... Jamie Joseph has to take a portion of the blame for this.
We've ultimately gone into the year with just two locks, and their form is now faltering, because they have not been properly rotated.
We've gone into the season with Broughton (Too small), Renton (Too slow) & Stodart (Not rated seemingly) as number eight options, which has failed us, so we are now stuck with playing two openside flankers, which has very rarely been a successful strategy for any team above NPC level. If you have two All Blacks, maybe, but neither Withy nor Lasaqa are anywhere near a black jersey.
At first five, he's been purely stubborn with Taine Robinson, who started well, but his form has faded with the team's. Millar has been fit for the past two weeks, but they decided against taking him to Australia. Is he perfect? No, but he does at least have the ability to control a game with his boot, so it means will be dropping it in the 22, rather than on halfway.
The rest of the backs have generally been good, and at fullback, I maintain his hands are tied behind his back with JRK ruled out, because frankly every other option has showed their limitations.
Barring a miracle turnaround, our season is over - I want sweeping changes next week.
Hey hey hey. Isn’t this just unnecessarily negative…?
@KiwiInLondon said in Highlanders 2025:
@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
Same players, same shit performance... Jamie Joseph has to take a portion of the blame for this.
We've ultimately gone into the year with just two locks, and their form is now faltering, because they have not been properly rotated.
We've gone into the season with Broughton (Too small), Renton (Too slow) & Stodart (Not rated seemingly) as number eight options, which has failed us, so we are now stuck with playing two openside flankers, which has very rarely been a successful strategy for any team above NPC level. If you have two All Blacks, maybe, but neither Withy nor Lasaqa are anywhere near a black jersey.
At first five, he's been purely stubborn with Taine Robinson, who started well, but his form has faded with the team's. Millar has been fit for the past two weeks, but they decided against taking him to Australia. Is he perfect? No, but he does at least have the ability to control a game with his boot, so it means will be dropping it in the 22, rather than on halfway.
The rest of the backs have generally been good, and at fullback, I maintain his hands are tied behind his back with JRK ruled out, because frankly every other option has showed their limitations.
Barring a miracle turnaround, our season is over - I want sweeping changes next week.
Hey hey hey. Isn’t this just unnecessarily negative…?
No I don't think so. This performance was a step backwards from last week, and I think some of the chickens have come home to roost.
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@KiwiInLondon said in Highlanders 2025:
@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
Same players, same shit performance... Jamie Joseph has to take a portion of the blame for this.
We've ultimately gone into the year with just two locks, and their form is now faltering, because they have not been properly rotated.
We've gone into the season with Broughton (Too small), Renton (Too slow) & Stodart (Not rated seemingly) as number eight options, which has failed us, so we are now stuck with playing two openside flankers, which has very rarely been a successful strategy for any team above NPC level. If you have two All Blacks, maybe, but neither Withy nor Lasaqa are anywhere near a black jersey.
At first five, he's been purely stubborn with Taine Robinson, who started well, but his form has faded with the team's. Millar has been fit for the past two weeks, but they decided against taking him to Australia. Is he perfect? No, but he does at least have the ability to control a game with his boot, so it means will be dropping it in the 22, rather than on halfway.
The rest of the backs have generally been good, and at fullback, I maintain his hands are tied behind his back with JRK ruled out, because frankly every other option has showed their limitations.
Barring a miracle turnaround, our season is over - I want sweeping changes next week.
Hey hey hey. Isn’t this just unnecessarily negative…?
No I don't think so. This performance was a step backwards from last week, and I think some of the chickens have come home to roost.
@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
@KiwiInLondon said in Highlanders 2025:
@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
Same players, same shit performance... Jamie Joseph has to take a portion of the blame for this.
We've ultimately gone into the year with just two locks, and their form is now faltering, because they have not been properly rotated.
We've gone into the season with Broughton (Too small), Renton (Too slow) & Stodart (Not rated seemingly) as number eight options, which has failed us, so we are now stuck with playing two openside flankers, which has very rarely been a successful strategy for any team above NPC level. If you have two All Blacks, maybe, but neither Withy nor Lasaqa are anywhere near a black jersey.
At first five, he's been purely stubborn with Taine Robinson, who started well, but his form has faded with the team's. Millar has been fit for the past two weeks, but they decided against taking him to Australia. Is he perfect? No, but he does at least have the ability to control a game with his boot, so it means will be dropping it in the 22, rather than on halfway.
The rest of the backs have generally been good, and at fullback, I maintain his hands are tied behind his back with JRK ruled out, because frankly every other option has showed their limitations.
Barring a miracle turnaround, our season is over - I want sweeping changes next week.
Hey hey hey. Isn’t this just unnecessarily negative…?
No I don't think so. This performance was a step backwards from last week, and I think some of the chickens have come home to roost.
I’m taking the piss out of your reply to my almost exact comment last week. I’d go further to say the problem isn’t just on the surface and inexperience. It’s a systemic problem of players having zero discipline, skill, and rugby know how. The writing was on the wall for a performance like this. I’m not sure why anyone is surprised
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@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
@KiwiInLondon said in Highlanders 2025:
@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
Same players, same shit performance... Jamie Joseph has to take a portion of the blame for this.
We've ultimately gone into the year with just two locks, and their form is now faltering, because they have not been properly rotated.
We've gone into the season with Broughton (Too small), Renton (Too slow) & Stodart (Not rated seemingly) as number eight options, which has failed us, so we are now stuck with playing two openside flankers, which has very rarely been a successful strategy for any team above NPC level. If you have two All Blacks, maybe, but neither Withy nor Lasaqa are anywhere near a black jersey.
At first five, he's been purely stubborn with Taine Robinson, who started well, but his form has faded with the team's. Millar has been fit for the past two weeks, but they decided against taking him to Australia. Is he perfect? No, but he does at least have the ability to control a game with his boot, so it means will be dropping it in the 22, rather than on halfway.
The rest of the backs have generally been good, and at fullback, I maintain his hands are tied behind his back with JRK ruled out, because frankly every other option has showed their limitations.
Barring a miracle turnaround, our season is over - I want sweeping changes next week.
Hey hey hey. Isn’t this just unnecessarily negative…?
No I don't think so. This performance was a step backwards from last week, and I think some of the chickens have come home to roost.
I’m taking the piss out of your reply to my almost exact comment last week. I’d go further to say the problem isn’t just on the surface and inexperience. It’s a systemic problem of players having zero discipline, skill, and rugby know how. The writing was on the wall for a performance like this. I’m not sure why anyone is surprised
@KiwiInLondon I personally thought your comments last week weren't justified, and I still wouldn't go that far.
We were poor against the Canes, but should of won, and then were actually largely decent enough against the Reds & Brumbies, but failed to bury the game and were punished for it.
This week, we were either going to win, or the performance levels were going to dip further, and and unfortunately it was the latter. Playing with 14 for half an hour didn't help, but outside of a couple of individual moments, we were poor - and I think, as I say, JJ has to take some blame for it.
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@KiwiInLondon I personally thought your comments last week weren't justified, and I still wouldn't go that far.
We were poor against the Canes, but should of won, and then were actually largely decent enough against the Reds & Brumbies, but failed to bury the game and were punished for it.
This week, we were either going to win, or the performance levels were going to dip further, and and unfortunately it was the latter. Playing with 14 for half an hour didn't help, but outside of a couple of individual moments, we were poor - and I think, as I say, JJ has to take some blame for it.
@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:
@KiwiInLondon I personally thought your comments last week weren't justified, and I still wouldn't go that far.
We were poor against the Canes, but should of won, and then were actually largely decent enough against the Reds & Brumbies, but failed to bury the game and were punished for it.
This week, we were either going to win, or the performance levels were going to dip further, and and unfortunately it was the latter. Playing with 14 for half an hour didn't help, but outside of a couple of individual moments, we were poor - and I think, as I say, JJ has to take some blame for it.
We’ll see how you feel after a 3-4 win season. Apply the “outside a couple of individual moments, the team poor” to the entire season. Not a single player in the team from last season has substantially improved. A few have gone backwards.
Same issues as last season, and the season before, and the season before that. The personnel have shifted but it’s the same old issues. I can’t keep the positivity up season after season.
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It was always clear there was going to be an I told you so post by Mr InLondon post this performance.
Negativity is fine. If there is reflection and reality paired with it. Being negative with a single performance is fine.
But, what is the solution?
As I said. It is easy to say get better players, don't sign that guy to long-term deals, and just be better. The reality is more difficult.
This is the long-term approach. We got the coach back everyone wanted. Are we happy with a 3-4 win season. Nah. Have we reduced the loss margins. Yeah.
Some little positives from last night
Scrum was better under Way's whistle
Nareki was sharp in the first half
TUJ looked good running wideOur loosies are running on fumes at the moment. Especially if Withy gets suspended. One of Howden or Haig may need to play eight.
Being negative is fine. It is exhausting though.
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I think it is important to note, that as I said before the season, we could get better, but get worse outcomes, because those around us have got better.
We won’t make the top six from here you wouldn’t think, but if we win 2/5 against the Chiefs, Crusaders & Hurricanes it would be tough to say there hasn’t been progress.
