NZ Cricket
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@canefan said in NZ Cricket:
He made some mind-boggling decisions at times. But you have to give the guy his flowers
Still reckon we should have played Boult over Scott K against England at the Mount. Yes, I can bear a grudge.
Most egregious was not getting warm up games in Aus for our tour. You cannot succeed without acclimatising.
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@canefan said in NZ Cricket:
He made some mind-boggling decisions at times. But you have to give the guy his flowers
Still reckon we should have played Boult over Scott K against England at the Mount. Yes, I can bear a grudge.
Most egregious was not getting warm up games in Aus for our tour. You cannot succeed without acclimatising.
@nzzp said in NZ Cricket:
@canefan said in NZ Cricket:
He made some mind-boggling decisions at times. But you have to give the guy his flowers
Still reckon we should have played Boult over Scott K against England at the Mount. Yes, I can bear a grudge.
Most egregious was not getting warm up games in Aus for our tour. You cannot succeed without acclimatising.
Compromised by half the players playing in overseas 20/20 tournaments leading up to it.
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Stead feels like a test batter with an average in the mid 40s. Clearly a good player, with a bunch of impressive innings but prone to inexplicable failures and not 100% reliable in the toughest of moments.
Honestly, a decade from now he'll be remembered as our greatest ever coach, the conservative selections, odd horrible series and influence of Hesson will be forgotten, but the finals, titles and series sweep in India will all be remembered.
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@canefan said in NZ Cricket:
He made some mind-boggling decisions at times. But you have to give the guy his flowers
Still reckon we should have played Boult over Scott K against England at the Mount. Yes, I can bear a grudge.
Most egregious was not getting warm up games in Aus for our tour. You cannot succeed without acclimatising.
@nzzp said in NZ Cricket:
@canefan said in NZ Cricket:
He made some mind-boggling decisions at times. But you have to give the guy his flowers
Still reckon we should have played Boult over Scott K against England at the Mount. Yes, I can bear a grudge.
Most egregious was not getting warm up games in Aus for our tour. You cannot succeed without acclimatising.
Like I said, some mind boggling decisions. Mainly regarding selection (I can't recall any specific examples now, but I can recall being quite unhappy with some of them. Bracewell wasting a spot on the test team was one). If it was his decision to forgoe warm up games before the Australian tour, then that was a poor decision
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@nzzp said in NZ Cricket:
@canefan said in NZ Cricket:
He made some mind-boggling decisions at times. But you have to give the guy his flowers
Still reckon we should have played Boult over Scott K against England at the Mount. Yes, I can bear a grudge.
Most egregious was not getting warm up games in Aus for our tour. You cannot succeed without acclimatising.
Like I said, some mind boggling decisions. Mainly regarding selection (I can't recall any specific examples now, but I can recall being quite unhappy with some of them. Bracewell wasting a spot on the test team was one). If it was his decision to forgoe warm up games before the Australian tour, then that was a poor decision
@canefan said in NZ Cricket:
@nzzp said in NZ Cricket:
@canefan said in NZ Cricket:
He made some mind-boggling decisions at times. But you have to give the guy his flowers
Still reckon we should have played Boult over Scott K against England at the Mount. Yes, I can bear a grudge.
Most egregious was not getting warm up games in Aus for our tour. You cannot succeed without acclimatising.
Like I said, some mind boggling decisions. Mainly regarding selection (I can't recall any specific examples now, but I can recall being quite unhappy with some of them. Bracewell wasting a spot on the test team was one). If it was his decision to forgoe warm up games before the Australian tour, then that was a poor decision
you do realise the captain has a massive say in selections when outside NZ not all on Stead.
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Without a doubt Stead has benefitted from a golden generation of talent, but at the same time, he's helped to build that talent and depth. The majority of players that have come into the side have gone well, which is a big green flag that he and Kane have developed a professional culture that allows new players to thrive.
There's no doubt Hess and Baz were the catalyst's for change, and Stead (with Kane) have been a steady hand (pun intended) to continue that culture on. Our results speak for themselves really, but at the same time I think the Stead/Kane combo has erred on the side of being too conservative at times, which has held us back a bit at times.
With all that said, if he gets remembered as the greatest coach we've had, then I wouldn't begrudge him that. It's been an absolute pleasure watching his Black Caps sides play over the years. Some of the results we got I never thought I'd ever see in my lifetime, and the way the side has handled itself under his leadership (read: custodians of the game) has made me a proud NZer. Go well Mr Stead.
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@canefan said in NZ Cricket:
@nzzp said in NZ Cricket:
@canefan said in NZ Cricket:
He made some mind-boggling decisions at times. But you have to give the guy his flowers
Still reckon we should have played Boult over Scott K against England at the Mount. Yes, I can bear a grudge.
Most egregious was not getting warm up games in Aus for our tour. You cannot succeed without acclimatising.
Like I said, some mind boggling decisions. Mainly regarding selection (I can't recall any specific examples now, but I can recall being quite unhappy with some of them. Bracewell wasting a spot on the test team was one). If it was his decision to forgoe warm up games before the Australian tour, then that was a poor decision
you do realise the captain has a massive say in selections when outside NZ not all on Stead.
@Chris said in NZ Cricket:
@canefan said in NZ Cricket:
@nzzp said in NZ Cricket:
@canefan said in NZ Cricket:
He made some mind-boggling decisions at times. But you have to give the guy his flowers
Still reckon we should have played Boult over Scott K against England at the Mount. Yes, I can bear a grudge.
Most egregious was not getting warm up games in Aus for our tour. You cannot succeed without acclimatising.
Like I said, some mind boggling decisions. Mainly regarding selection (I can't recall any specific examples now, but I can recall being quite unhappy with some of them. Bracewell wasting a spot on the test team was one). If it was his decision to forgoe warm up games before the Australian tour, then that was a poor decision
you do realise the captain has a massive say in selections when outside NZ not all on Stead.
I felt like Stead was very conservative, and didn't really challenge Kane at times
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@Chris said in NZ Cricket:
@canefan said in NZ Cricket:
@nzzp said in NZ Cricket:
@canefan said in NZ Cricket:
He made some mind-boggling decisions at times. But you have to give the guy his flowers
Still reckon we should have played Boult over Scott K against England at the Mount. Yes, I can bear a grudge.
Most egregious was not getting warm up games in Aus for our tour. You cannot succeed without acclimatising.
Like I said, some mind boggling decisions. Mainly regarding selection (I can't recall any specific examples now, but I can recall being quite unhappy with some of them. Bracewell wasting a spot on the test team was one). If it was his decision to forgoe warm up games before the Australian tour, then that was a poor decision
you do realise the captain has a massive say in selections when outside NZ not all on Stead.
I felt like Stead was very conservative, and didn't really challenge Kane at times
@canefan said in NZ Cricket:
@Chris said in NZ Cricket:
@canefan said in NZ Cricket:
@nzzp said in NZ Cricket:
@canefan said in NZ Cricket:
He made some mind-boggling decisions at times. But you have to give the guy his flowers
Still reckon we should have played Boult over Scott K against England at the Mount. Yes, I can bear a grudge.
Most egregious was not getting warm up games in Aus for our tour. You cannot succeed without acclimatising.
Like I said, some mind boggling decisions. Mainly regarding selection (I can't recall any specific examples now, but I can recall being quite unhappy with some of them. Bracewell wasting a spot on the test team was one). If it was his decision to forgoe warm up games before the Australian tour, then that was a poor decision
you do realise the captain has a massive say in selections when outside NZ not all on Stead.
I felt like Stead was very conservative, and didn't realize challenge Kane at times
Yes I agree with that Kane had a big say in team selections due to his powerful position.
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@nzzp said in NZ Cricket:
@canefan said in NZ Cricket:
He made some mind-boggling decisions at times. But you have to give the guy his flowers
Still reckon we should have played Boult over Scott K against England at the Mount. Yes, I can bear a grudge.
Most egregious was not getting warm up games in Aus for our tour. You cannot succeed without acclimatising.
Like I said, some mind boggling decisions. Mainly regarding selection (I can't recall any specific examples now, but I can recall being quite unhappy with some of them. Bracewell wasting a spot on the test team was one). If it was his decision to forgoe warm up games before the Australian tour, then that was a poor decision
@canefan said in NZ Cricket:
@nzzp said in NZ Cricket:
@canefan said in NZ Cricket:
He made some mind-boggling decisions at times. But you have to give the guy his flowers
Still reckon we should have played Boult over Scott K against England at the Mount. Yes, I can bear a grudge.
Most egregious was not getting warm up games in Aus for our tour. You cannot succeed without acclimatising.
Like I said, some mind boggling decisions. Mainly regarding selection (I can't recall any specific examples now, but I can recall being quite unhappy with some of them. Bracewell wasting a spot on the test team was one). If it was his decision to forgoe warm up games before the Australian tour, then that was a poor decision
Allowing Henry Nicholls to play on longer than he should have would have been one. It actually seems recently that we have started to promote a lot more fresh talent (maybe this hasn't been by choice) whereas previously we would keep playing the same players regardless of form.
Probably the worst selection was allowing Southee a farewell tour when we should have been going all out for a spot in the WTC final.
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Satnav has done us proud (again!)
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/mitchell-santner-wisden-trophy-winner-in-2024-1481804
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Our 5th Wisden Trophy Winner
NZ has produced 3 winners in the last eight years.Who are the 5? and for what performance?
NB there have only been actual winners since 2022. Prior to that they are notional@dogmeat said in NZ Cricket:
Our 5th Wisden Trophy Winner
NZ has produced 3 winners in the last eight years.Who are the 5? and for what performance?
NB there have only been actual winners since 2022. Prior to that they are notionalHave to assume Kane and maybe BMac from the last 8 years?
Previous winner Paddles for 1985?
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I read that article, and couldn't tell what the trophy was actually for?
So it is 'performance' of the year? Not player of the year?
That would make way more sense than what I thought I was reading about.
@Rapido said in NZ Cricket:
I read that article, and couldn't tell what the trophy was actually for?
So it is 'performance' of the year? Not player of the year?
That would make way more sense than what I thought I was reading about.
Was thinking the same, is it part of Wisdens 5 Cricketers of the year?
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@Rapido said in NZ Cricket:
I read that article, and couldn't tell what the trophy was actually for?
So it is 'performance' of the year? Not player of the year?
That would make way more sense than what I thought I was reading about.
Was thinking the same, is it part of Wisdens 5 Cricketers of the year?
@Virgil said in NZ Cricket:
Was thinking the same, is it part of Wisdens 5 Cricketers of the year?
They are all English.
Read this article. Wisden isn't holding back, not that it will make any difference.
https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/wairarapa-times-age-nz-9wdn/20250423/281809994749609
