EPL 2024/2025
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@dogmeat said in EPL 2024/2025:
Except three seasons ago Fulham, Bournemouth and Forest were the promoted sides. All have stayed up, consolidated and are pushing for Europe. Helped by several of the 'powerhouse clubs' having shat the bed.
Fulham and Bournemouth had both been up and down a bit before that, while Forest only just scraped through to 38 points.
I wonder if making a promotion stick is about having a couple of cracks to benefit from the extra cash and boosting your squad so that at the 2nd or 3rd attempt you can stick the landing.
Will be interesting to see if Burnley can stay up after their latest yo-yo.
@Cyclops Given the talent within their squad Fulham should have stayed up in the 20/21 season but for Parker.
Manager's can improve just like players but given his previous failures in the Prem with Fulham and Bournemouth I wouldn't be confident if I was a Burnley supporter.
Look at all the draws they've had in the Championship. Classic Parkerball. History suggests it gets found out at the top level
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The problem for the promoted clubs is that they are reliant on one or more of the 17 established clubs to have a disastrous season - but next season the newest of these will be in their 4th season of EPL and their squads are now stacked with premier league quality. They have 2 full teams they can roll out whereas the promoted clubs have to start from a low base of a first team that will have some good players - but nowhere near the depth required.
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Yeah none of those 17 look to be struggling in the way that West Ham, Everton have latelky. Well Spurs and United but they will get their shit together surely.
Having said that when Fulham went down in 2014 the pre season poll of pundits had us at 12th. A change of Manager at any of Palace, Brentford, Bournemouth, Fulham would make fans nervous.
Outside the top 6, Newcastle, Villa and probably West Ham all the other clubs are going to be relegated one day. It's simply a question of staving off that day for as long as possible and enjoying it while you can
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A new doco will need to be made as Wrexham has been promoted to the Championship, their third consecutive promotion.
@Bovidae said in EPL 2024/2025:
A new doco will need to be made as Wrexham has been promoted to the Championship, their third consecutive promotion.
Can they do a Swansea?
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Well that was a hiding. Well done Palace.
@African-Monkey said in EPL 2024/2025:
Well that was a hiding. Well done Palace.
Congratulations to Palace. They were superb and that was a hiding.
But from a Villa point of view that couldn't not have been more humiliating. An appalling performance on a big stage. So far from the magnificent performances against PSG and Newcastle as to be scarcely comprehensible. We are a "rocks and diamonds" team at the moment.
Some of those players will never now win a trophy in a Villa shirt. Changes are needed in the summer to bring in players and leaders with more hunger and desire. Up the Villa!
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And Adam Wharton was outstanding yesterday. Only 21 and with a massive future ahead of him. He reminds me of a young Roy Keane or N'goto Kanté. He needs to start in midfield for England in every game that matters.
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And Adam Wharton was outstanding yesterday. Only 21 and with a massive future ahead of him. He reminds me of a young Roy Keane or N'goto Kanté. He needs to start in midfield for England in every game that matters.
@sparky said in EPL 2024/2025:
And Adam Wharton was outstanding yesterday. Only 21 and with a massive future ahead of him. He reminds me of a young Roy Keane or N'goto Kanté. He needs to start in midfield for England in every game that matters.
He really was, we couldn't get through him.
Man Palace are are real bogey side for us these days.
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Congratulations to Liverpool on winning the Premier League 2024/5!
https://twitter.com/premierleague/status/1916548679843959119
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That’s crazy
7 winners in 33 years
In the same period
Bundesliga 7 winners
La Liga 5 Winners
Serie A 5 Winners -
Even crazier
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Liverpool incredible, well done to them.
In the mean time our form falling off a cliff for last 2 months
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Unfortunate for the epic narrative that both of Liverpool's title wins have been a foregone conclusion from early after Christmas - not their fault, in both seasons they were miles better than anyone else. Only Arsenal could have pushed them this season, but they drew too many games.
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If they get promoted next season, Wrexham would be the first club to be promoted from 4th tier to 1st tier consecutively (one season faster than Swansea). It would also be 4 promotions in 4 seasons from non-league which would of course be incredible. Luton went from non-league to premier league but it took them a few seasons longer.
Listening to a journalist on Wrexham last night, what sets them apart from other teams is not the investment of the owners (plenty of money floating around in football) but the Netflix doco - this means they can command huge sponsorship deals that other small clubs cannot. How long can the doco last? A few more years yet I suspect especially if they can have another promotion push.
Will supporters of every other club hate Wrexham? Absolutely
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If they get promoted next season, Wrexham would be the first club to be promoted from 4th tier to 1st tier consecutively (one season faster than Swansea). It would also be 4 promotions in 4 seasons from non-league which would of course be incredible. Luton went from non-league to premier league but it took them a few seasons longer.
Listening to a journalist on Wrexham last night, what sets them apart from other teams is not the investment of the owners (plenty of money floating around in football) but the Netflix doco - this means they can command huge sponsorship deals that other small clubs cannot. How long can the doco last? A few more years yet I suspect especially if they can have another promotion push.
Will supporters of every other club hate Wrexham? Absolutely
@KiwiPie said in EPL 2024/2025:
If they get promoted next season, Wrexham would be the first club to be promoted from 4th tier to 1st tier consecutively (one season faster than Swansea). It would also be 4 promotions in 4 seasons from non-league which would of course be incredible. Luton went from non-league to premier league but it took them a few seasons longer.
Listening to a journalist on Wrexham last night, what sets them apart from other teams is not the investment of the owners (plenty of money floating around in football) but the Netflix doco - this means they can command huge sponsorship deals that other small clubs cannot. How long can the doco last? A few more years yet I suspect especially if they can have another promotion push.
Will supporters of every other club hate Wrexham? Absolutely
Jealousy is strong. But at least they aren't being driven by petrochemical sports washers
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The Wrexham story is interesting because they weren't bought and then someone thought this story is so great, let's make a reality series. They were bought to meet the requirements of a long running reality series, carefully selected to be somewhat run down but big enough to become a premier league club one day. They are content and all of the players in the story are content, the movie stars, the manager, the players, the staff, the fans - consumed as content. Once you realise that, a relegation fight next season might be a good thing for them, add a new dimension to the story - sack the manager? A great few programmes out of that. Stay up on the last day of the season? Even better. In fact their worst result would be a mid-table, no chance at either end of the table - hence why that probably won't happen. They are now the Kardashians.
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The Wrexham story is interesting because they weren't bought and then someone thought this story is so great, let's make a reality series. They were bought to meet the requirements of a long running reality series, carefully selected to be somewhat run down but big enough to become a premier league club one day. They are content and all of the players in the story are content, the movie stars, the manager, the players, the staff, the fans - consumed as content. Once you realise that, a relegation fight next season might be a good thing for them, add a new dimension to the story - sack the manager? A great few programmes out of that. Stay up on the last day of the season? Even better. In fact their worst result would be a mid-table, no chance at either end of the table - hence why that probably won't happen. They are now the Kardashians.
