Hurricanes vs Chiefs
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@Canes4life
on losing Naholo with Higgins & Proctor cutting capers in the midfield Naholo offers another threat with his power game ,poor bugger
On saying that I was so impressed with how the Canes backline operated created opportunities no matter who was playing on the flanks
Harkin must be close to the breakout player of the comp in terms of NZ teams@Steven-Harris let's see how Tangitau does on his return.
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Ruben Love is getting better at 1st Five week after week. I think there are now three options for the All Blacks in this key position. Despite their errors (the missed tackle on Rona and the intercepted pass), I wouldn't mind having Higgins and Proctor as a midfield combo for the All Blacks. They are the best for creating space for the wingers. Imagine Caleb Tangitau outside them !
@cgrant said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Ruben Love is getting better at 1st Five week after week. I think there are now three options for the All Blacks in this key position. Despite their errors (the missed tackle on Rona and the intercepted pass), I wouldn't mind having Higgins and Proctor as a midfield combo for the All Blacks. They are the best for creating space for the wingers. Imagine Caleb Tangitau outside them !
Love is certainly improving, but by geez Jacomb went well in a beaten team too. We starting to look reasonable at 10 in the country.
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@Bones said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@Canes4life Roigard's option taking/timing is off. He's just not seeing the game like he used to (or not as agile to take advantage of it).
It might just be a case of teams putting numbers on him so not as much space as last year but he does look a little off and not as confident.
Larkham said the Brumbies centred their game last week around shutting Roigard down which I guess created space out wide as a result.
Geez, I reckon Roigard is best 9 in the comp. He would be my pick in any of the teams.
@Dan54 said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@Canes4life said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@Bones said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@Canes4life Roigard's option taking/timing is off. He's just not seeing the game like he used to (or not as agile to take advantage of it).
It might just be a case of teams putting numbers on him so not as much space as last year but he does look a little off and not as confident.
Larkham said the Brumbies centred their game last week around shutting Roigard down which I guess created space out wide as a result.
Geez, I reckon Roigard is best 9 in the comp. He would be my pick in any of the teams.
Agree he just ties opposition defenders around the ruck in such doubt and leaves defenses static and stretched out wide.
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We have a decent run in, including a match against the Reds who currently sit above us. We probably still have to win all three remaining games to have a chance to make the playoffs
@canefan said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
We have a decent run in, including a match against the Reds who currently sit above us. We probably still have to win all three remaining games to have a chance to make the playoffs
I think 2 more wins will get you in the play offs now.
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Da fuq happened at halftime? Watched the first half before heading to an election party, got up this morning expecting to see the Chiefs to finish it off, nope they got hammered. Well, I did call it early in the thread when we were discussing the favourites in this match.
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Proctor is all class.
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Few good moments but quite a messy game. I really dislike that style of reffing, where players can do illegal shit and as long as they stop doing it when the refs tells them to he won't blow it. They've already done it. Also players in the way slowing down ruck ball but not penalised because "he's trying". Can't see how you can justify that while penalising props who can't take the heat in scrums - he's trying too yeah?
Good to see a few nice touches from Lomax, starting to come into form at the right time. Kirifi was good, but I do worry that with a different ref he gets penalties against instead of turnovers. Not seeing much from Roigard that justifies the hype at all to be honest - seems like more than half the times he tries to run these days is looking for a try himself from close to the line, so I'm not really buying him holding defenders. His service is okay, his kicking is okay. his support play is okay. Just don't see him doing anything outstanding.
Love has got some great ball skills, but still is making too many basic errors for me to want to see him in a tight test match yet..Great to see talent coming through at 10 though, I think he's better suited to there than 15 long term.
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Few good moments but quite a messy game. I really dislike that style of reffing, where players can do illegal shit and as long as they stop doing it when the refs tells them to he won't blow it. They've already done it. Also players in the way slowing down ruck ball but not penalised because "he's trying". Can't see how you can justify that while penalising props who can't take the heat in scrums - he's trying too yeah?
Good to see a few nice touches from Lomax, starting to come into form at the right time. Kirifi was good, but I do worry that with a different ref he gets penalties against instead of turnovers. Not seeing much from Roigard that justifies the hype at all to be honest - seems like more than half the times he tries to run these days is looking for a try himself from close to the line, so I'm not really buying him holding defenders. His service is okay, his kicking is okay. his support play is okay. Just don't see him doing anything outstanding.
Love has got some great ball skills, but still is making too many basic errors for me to want to see him in a tight test match yet..Great to see talent coming through at 10 though, I think he's better suited to there than 15 long term.
Midfielders who keep the ball alive are a good thing.@reprobate mate,I have to admit I prefer ref's telling players to get back etc, I am not a fan of them blowing stoppages more than needed. Might be just me, but I think the best ref's are those that communicate.
See I don't have a problem when ref's all have different styles etc, the alternative is almost reefing by A1, and blowing up every single infringement, I don't want to watch that rugby. -
Few good moments but quite a messy game. I really dislike that style of reffing, where players can do illegal shit and as long as they stop doing it when the refs tells them to he won't blow it. They've already done it. Also players in the way slowing down ruck ball but not penalised because "he's trying". Can't see how you can justify that while penalising props who can't take the heat in scrums - he's trying too yeah?
Good to see a few nice touches from Lomax, starting to come into form at the right time. Kirifi was good, but I do worry that with a different ref he gets penalties against instead of turnovers. Not seeing much from Roigard that justifies the hype at all to be honest - seems like more than half the times he tries to run these days is looking for a try himself from close to the line, so I'm not really buying him holding defenders. His service is okay, his kicking is okay. his support play is okay. Just don't see him doing anything outstanding.
Love has got some great ball skills, but still is making too many basic errors for me to want to see him in a tight test match yet..Great to see talent coming through at 10 though, I think he's better suited to there than 15 long term.
Midfielders who keep the ball alive are a good thing.@reprobate yep, do it early on to set the marker for 5/10 mins, but after that if they keep infringing ping em, they'll learn better that way, or should.
All well and good playing to the ref, but if all he does is 'coach' the players, it means they are infringing and affecting the flow of the game.
I dont want more pens and cards, but the ref needs to lay the marker.
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Few good moments but quite a messy game. I really dislike that style of reffing, where players can do illegal shit and as long as they stop doing it when the refs tells them to he won't blow it. They've already done it. Also players in the way slowing down ruck ball but not penalised because "he's trying". Can't see how you can justify that while penalising props who can't take the heat in scrums - he's trying too yeah?
Good to see a few nice touches from Lomax, starting to come into form at the right time. Kirifi was good, but I do worry that with a different ref he gets penalties against instead of turnovers. Not seeing much from Roigard that justifies the hype at all to be honest - seems like more than half the times he tries to run these days is looking for a try himself from close to the line, so I'm not really buying him holding defenders. His service is okay, his kicking is okay. his support play is okay. Just don't see him doing anything outstanding.
Love has got some great ball skills, but still is making too many basic errors for me to want to see him in a tight test match yet..Great to see talent coming through at 10 though, I think he's better suited to there than 15 long term.
Midfielders who keep the ball alive are a good thing.@reprobate said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Few good moments but quite a messy game. I really dislike that style of reffing, where players can do illegal shit and as long as they stop doing it when the refs tells them to he won't blow it. They've already done it. Also players in the way slowing down ruck ball but not penalised because "he's trying". Can't see how you can justify that while penalising props who can't take the heat in scrums - he's trying too yeah?
Good to see a few nice touches from Lomax, starting to come into form at the right time. Kirifi was good, but I do worry that with a different ref he gets penalties against instead of turnovers. Not seeing much from Roigard that justifies the hype at all to be honest - seems like more than half the times he tries to run these days is looking for a try himself from close to the line, so I'm not really buying him holding defenders. His service is okay, his kicking is okay. his support play is okay. Just don't see him doing anything outstanding.
Love has got some great ball skills, but still is making too many basic errors for me to want to see him in a tight test match yet..Great to see talent coming through at 10 though, I think he's better suited to there than 15 long term.
Midfielders who keep the ball alive are a good thing.Yep, agree to an extent with Roigard, he isn't near his top form atm but I did allude to this the other day that all teams will see him as a danger and will be putting more players around the ruck so there will be less opportunity for him to snipe. Larkham specifically said that their whole game plan against the Hurricanes the other week was to shut down Roigard because they know how dangerous he can be.
In saying it all that, he seems to be a few notches down on what he was last year, I'm hoping that he comes out firing for us after the bye.
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@reprobate mate,I have to admit I prefer ref's telling players to get back etc, I am not a fan of them blowing stoppages more than needed. Might be just me, but I think the best ref's are those that communicate.
See I don't have a problem when ref's all have different styles etc, the alternative is almost reefing by A1, and blowing up every single infringement, I don't want to watch that rugby.@Dan54 said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@reprobate mate,I have to admit I prefer ref's telling players to get back etc, I am not a fan of them blowing stoppages more than needed. Might be just me, but I think the best ref's are those that communicate.
See I don't have a problem when ref's all have different styles etc, the alternative is almost reefing by A1, and blowing up every single infringement, I don't want to watch that rugby.It's not a stoppage yet if you're playing advantage. All letting it go does is encourage players to mildly offend all the time, which makes the game slower and worse.
Just watched the highlanders moana game - and same deal "no Ardie, you're offside". No advantage/penalty played, and he's already stopped fast ball being an option. Then off the slow ball he's caused there is a knock-on, and Moana benefit. I just can't see that being anything other than bad for the game.
Communication is a good thing, but play advantage - then they know for next time and the team playing within the rules isn't disadvantaged. I don't mind things being let go if they genuinely don't affect the play - but for me fast ruck ball is pretty much the key to good rugby, and that is what I see suffering right now. -
My answer was concerning your word "underpowered". I do know that scrum is also a matter of technique.
@cgrant said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
My answer was concerning your word "underpowered". I do know that scrum is also a matter of technique.
Fair enough, but I’m referring to how hard their shoulder is creasing the tighthead’s Arse cheek, rather than the size of their biceps!
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@reprobate yep, do it early on to set the marker for 5/10 mins, but after that if they keep infringing ping em, they'll learn better that way, or should.
All well and good playing to the ref, but if all he does is 'coach' the players, it means they are infringing and affecting the flow of the game.
I dont want more pens and cards, but the ref needs to lay the marker.
@taniwharugby said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@reprobate yep, do it early on to set the marker for 5/10 mins, but after that if they keep infringing ping em, they'll learn better that way, or should.
All well and good playing to the ref, but if all he does is 'coach' the players, it means they are infringing and affecting the flow of the game.
I dont want more pens and cards, but the ref needs to lay the marker.
Couldn’t agree more.
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@Dan54 said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@reprobate mate,I have to admit I prefer ref's telling players to get back etc, I am not a fan of them blowing stoppages more than needed. Might be just me, but I think the best ref's are those that communicate.
See I don't have a problem when ref's all have different styles etc, the alternative is almost reefing by A1, and blowing up every single infringement, I don't want to watch that rugby.It's not a stoppage yet if you're playing advantage. All letting it go does is encourage players to mildly offend all the time, which makes the game slower and worse.
Just watched the highlanders moana game - and same deal "no Ardie, you're offside". No advantage/penalty played, and he's already stopped fast ball being an option. Then off the slow ball he's caused there is a knock-on, and Moana benefit. I just can't see that being anything other than bad for the game.
Communication is a good thing, but play advantage - then they know for next time and the team playing within the rules isn't disadvantaged. I don't mind things being let go if they genuinely don't affect the play - but for me fast ruck ball is pretty much the key to good rugby, and that is what I see suffering right now.@reprobate Itoje made his name from being quick to stop offending when it was pointed out by ref, until they decided to penalise first, after which his effectiveness was severely curtailed.
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@Dan54 said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@reprobate mate,I have to admit I prefer ref's telling players to get back etc, I am not a fan of them blowing stoppages more than needed. Might be just me, but I think the best ref's are those that communicate.
See I don't have a problem when ref's all have different styles etc, the alternative is almost reefing by A1, and blowing up every single infringement, I don't want to watch that rugby.It's not a stoppage yet if you're playing advantage. All letting it go does is encourage players to mildly offend all the time, which makes the game slower and worse.
Just watched the highlanders moana game - and same deal "no Ardie, you're offside". No advantage/penalty played, and he's already stopped fast ball being an option. Then off the slow ball he's caused there is a knock-on, and Moana benefit. I just can't see that being anything other than bad for the game.
Communication is a good thing, but play advantage - then they know for next time and the team playing within the rules isn't disadvantaged. I don't mind things being let go if they genuinely don't affect the play - but for me fast ruck ball is pretty much the key to good rugby, and that is what I see suffering right now.@reprobate said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@Dan54 said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@reprobate mate,I have to admit I prefer ref's telling players to get back etc, I am not a fan of them blowing stoppages more than needed. Might be just me, but I think the best ref's are those that communicate.
See I don't have a problem when ref's all have different styles etc, the alternative is almost reefing by A1, and blowing up every single infringement, I don't want to watch that rugby.It's not a stoppage yet if you're playing advantage. All letting it go does is encourage players to mildly offend all the time, which makes the game slower and worse.
Just watched the highlanders moana game - and same deal "no Ardie, you're offside". No advantage/penalty played, and he's already stopped fast ball being an option. Then off the slow ball he's caused there is a knock-on, and Moana benefit. I just can't see that being anything other than bad for the game.
Communication is a good thing, but play advantage - then they know for next time and the team playing within the rules isn't disadvantaged. I don't mind things being let go if they genuinely don't affect the play - but for me fast ruck ball is pretty much the key to good rugby, and that is what I see suffering right now.Best thing is to ref it tight for the opening part of a game to set the tone, then gently relax and allow the game to flow once the players realise the ref won't tolerate them taking the piss
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@Dan54 said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@reprobate mate,I have to admit I prefer ref's telling players to get back etc, I am not a fan of them blowing stoppages more than needed. Might be just me, but I think the best ref's are those that communicate.
See I don't have a problem when ref's all have different styles etc, the alternative is almost reefing by A1, and blowing up every single infringement, I don't want to watch that rugby.It's not a stoppage yet if you're playing advantage. All letting it go does is encourage players to mildly offend all the time, which makes the game slower and worse.
Just watched the highlanders moana game - and same deal "no Ardie, you're offside". No advantage/penalty played, and he's already stopped fast ball being an option. Then off the slow ball he's caused there is a knock-on, and Moana benefit. I just can't see that being anything other than bad for the game.
Communication is a good thing, but play advantage - then they know for next time and the team playing within the rules isn't disadvantaged. I don't mind things being let go if they genuinely don't affect the play - but for me fast ruck ball is pretty much the key to good rugby, and that is what I see suffering right now.@reprobate fair enough mate, I can agree with some points, and can see re the slowing ball, but by same token, I just want players called back from offside, especially in case where it has no effect on game. But we all see it a little different mate.
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@reprobate said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@Dan54 said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@reprobate mate,I have to admit I prefer ref's telling players to get back etc, I am not a fan of them blowing stoppages more than needed. Might be just me, but I think the best ref's are those that communicate.
See I don't have a problem when ref's all have different styles etc, the alternative is almost reefing by A1, and blowing up every single infringement, I don't want to watch that rugby.It's not a stoppage yet if you're playing advantage. All letting it go does is encourage players to mildly offend all the time, which makes the game slower and worse.
Just watched the highlanders moana game - and same deal "no Ardie, you're offside". No advantage/penalty played, and he's already stopped fast ball being an option. Then off the slow ball he's caused there is a knock-on, and Moana benefit. I just can't see that being anything other than bad for the game.
Communication is a good thing, but play advantage - then they know for next time and the team playing within the rules isn't disadvantaged. I don't mind things being let go if they genuinely don't affect the play - but for me fast ruck ball is pretty much the key to good rugby, and that is what I see suffering right now.Best thing is to ref it tight for the opening part of a game to set the tone, then gently relax and allow the game to flow once the players realise the ref won't tolerate them taking the piss
@canefan said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@reprobate said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@Dan54 said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@reprobate mate,I have to admit I prefer ref's telling players to get back etc, I am not a fan of them blowing stoppages more than needed. Might be just me, but I think the best ref's are those that communicate.
See I don't have a problem when ref's all have different styles etc, the alternative is almost reefing by A1, and blowing up every single infringement, I don't want to watch that rugby.Best thing is to ref it tight for the opening part of a game to set the tone, then gently relax and allow the game to flow once the players realise the ref won't tolerate them taking the piss
Yep mate, once again, no win for ref. Imagine the Canes get penalised early in game, and opposition don't later in game for same thing.
