Springboks v All Blacks
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I'm thinking Todd probably actually plays the linking game a bit better than Ardie too. Tire them out early using numbers and support then bring on "I'll just run it myself eh" Ardie.
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks:
I'm thinking Todd probably actually plays the linking game a bit better than Ardie too. Tire them out early using numbers and support then bring on "I'll just run it myself eh" Ardie.
Issue for me is more that Cane was outstanding leading our defensive line, that very agressive rush D we have been using has been the key to our defence this year.
The linking & the odd good run are WAY back in importance, every AB now links, Owen Franks has probably done more link work than any of our 7's this year, while Retallick has made more oustanding breaks than Ardie even factoring in time on the field.
It was really noticable v the Argies with no Cane or Kaino we were getting up fast on D but beyond Pat T no AB was regularly monstering the Argies in the tackle.
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks:
I'm thinking Todd probably actually plays the linking game a bit better than Ardie too. Tire them out early using numbers and support then bring on "I'll just run it myself eh" Ardie.
Issue for me is more that Cane was outstanding leading our defensive line, that very agressive rush D we have been using has been the key to our defence this year.
The linking & the odd good run are WAY back in importance, every AB now links, Owen Franks has probably done more link work than any of our 7's this year, while Retallick has made more oustanding breaks than Ardie even factoring in time on the field.
It was really noticable v the Argies with no Cane or Kaino we were getting up fast on D but beyond Pat T no AB was regularly monstering the Argies in the tackle.
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@gollum Todd is very good at that aspect too though - he gets into trouble when on the back foot but his tackle strength belies his size I reckon.
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@gollum Todd is very good at that aspect too though - he gets into trouble when on the back foot but his tackle strength belies his size I reckon.
Thats my hope, I haven't seen enough of him this year to know if he can bring that but if he delivers I think he's got a genuine shot of leap frogging Ardie given its the core skill we are looking for from our 7 at the mo'
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Springboks:
- Tendai Mtawarira (Cell C Sharks), 83 caps, 10 points
- Adriaan Strauss (captain, Vodacom Bulls) 62 caps, 30 points
- Vincent Koch (DHL Stormers/Steval Pumas), 6 caps, 0 points
- Eben Etzebeth (DHL Stormers) 52 caps, 10 points
- Pieter-Steph du Toit (DHL Stormers) 16 caps, 15 points
- Francois Louw (Bath, England) 51 caps, 40 points
- Oupa Mohoje (Toyota Cheetahs) 13 caps, 0 points
- Warren Whiteley (Emirates Lions) 11 caps, 15 points
- Faf de Klerk (Emirates Lions) 7 caps, 0 points
- Morne Steyn (Stade Francais, France) 65 caps, 721 points
- Bryan Habana (vice-captain, Toulon, France) 122 caps, 330 points
- Damian de Allende (DHL Stormers), 19 caps, 10 points
- Juan de Jongh (DHL Stormers) 18 caps, 15 points
- Francois Hougaard (Worcester Warriors, England) 38 caps, 25 points
- Pat Lambie (Cell C Sharks) 52 caps, 137 points
Reserves:
16. Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers) 2 caps, 0 points
17. Steven Kitshoff (Bordeaux, France) 6 caps, 0 points
18. Julian Redelinghuys (Emirates Lions), 7 caps, 0 points
19. Lood de Jager (Toyota Cheetahs 0, 24 caps, 20 points
20. Willem Alberts (Stade Francais, France) 40 caps, 35 points
21. Jaco Kriel (Emirates Lions) 6 caps, 0 points
22. Lionel Mapoe (Emirates Lions), 8 caps, 0 points
23. Willie le Roux (Canon Eagles, Japan) 38 caps, 45 pointshttp://www.sarugby.co.za/article.aspx?category=sarugby/springboks&id=3732404
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@Stargazer said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Don't understand the shock at Todd getting the start. He's been massive on defence during Super Rugby and the selectors no doubt expect those defensive skills to be necessary against the Boks. He's more similar to Cane than Savea, and Savea is probably not the type of player they are looking for for this particular game (to start with). I'm more surprised about Pat T not being picked.
The shock for me in Todd starting is less on form, I think Ardie has been shit as an AB openside, more I thought the hype on Ardie would keep his spot. He got 8 & 9 out of 10 last week seemingly on the back of good leg drive when tackled & making some tackles none of which ticked the Wayne Smith "dominant" box. Tho' to be fair Pat T was the only guy actually making dominant tackles last week.
Interesting bit will be if Todd can emulate Cane in the offensive tackling aspect, Canes defence earlier this year was huge, not sold Todd has the heft to do that any more than Ardie.
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Yes I must say I have been underwhelmed by Ardie's starts. Not that I would say he has been bad but definitely nothing like the physicality that Cane was bring. But to be fair there is not an open side in the world who I would take over Cane at the moment.
@DMX said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Yes I must say I have been underwhelmed by Ardie's starts. Not that I would say he has been bad but definitely nothing like the physicality that Cane was bring. But to be fair there is not an open side in the world who I would take over Cane at the moment.
I might be inclined to pick one that's not injured.
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Didn't want to create another thread but for all Aussie based ferners, the NZ v Aussie schoolboys and Barbarians v Fiji schoolboys games are being shown on Foxtel this Saturday.
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@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@akan004 Link?
Don't have a link, but noticed it this morning on the Electronic TV Guide. Had another look just now, it's on channel 507 (Fox Sports Plus) .You have to press the red button on your remote to bring it up.
Per Foxtel Guide CH 507.
Saturday, 8th October.
11 a.m AEST NZ Barbarians v Fiji Schoolboys
12.45 p.m AEST NZ Schoolboys v Australian Schoolboys -
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@akan004 Link?
Don't have a link, but noticed it this morning on the Electronic TV Guide. Had another look just now, it's on channel 507 (Fox Sports Plus) .You have to press the red button on your remote to bring it up.
Per Foxtel Guide CH 507.
Saturday, 8th October.
11 a.m AEST NZ Barbarians v Fiji Schoolboys
12.45 p.m AEST NZ Schoolboys v Australian Schoolboys@akan004 said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@akan004 Link?
Don't have a link, but noticed it this morning on the Electronic TV Guide. Had another look just now, it's on channel 507 (Fox Sports Plus) .You have to press the red button on your remote to bring it up.
Per Foxtel Guide CH 507.
Saturday, 8th October.
11 a.m AEST NZ Barbarians v Fiji Schoolboys
12.45 p.m AEST NZ Schoolboys v Australian SchoolboysSo that means I can't record it right? I have never tried recording from that channel.
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@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@akan004 Link?
Don't have a link, but noticed it this morning on the Electronic TV Guide. Had another look just now, it's on channel 507 (Fox Sports Plus) .You have to press the red button on your remote to bring it up.
Per Foxtel Guide CH 507.
Saturday, 8th October.
11 a.m AEST NZ Barbarians v Fiji Schoolboys
12.45 p.m AEST NZ Schoolboys v Australian Schoolboys -
@akan004 said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@akan004 Link?
Don't have a link, but noticed it this morning on the Electronic TV Guide. Had another look just now, it's on channel 507 (Fox Sports Plus) .You have to press the red button on your remote to bring it up.
Per Foxtel Guide CH 507.
Saturday, 8th October.
11 a.m AEST NZ Barbarians v Fiji Schoolboys
12.45 p.m AEST NZ Schoolboys v Australian SchoolboysSo that means I can't record it right? I have never tried recording from that channel.
@Crazy-Horse They are replaying the games on Monday morning on 505. You can record that channel.
https://www.foxtel.com.au/got/whats-on/tv-guide/search?q=rugby&q.in=zDkNnM061vg0ZgfB
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Good team as expected. They've talked about Ardie needing to add a bit of bulk to be a starter, and that theory was proven right. He will get there, but right now Todd is the better option with Ardie upping the tempo in the final quarter.
Really looking forward to this match as despite how shit SA has been recently, they grow an extra foot at home so it should be a good challenge after the most one-sided RC of all time.
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Good team as expected. They've talked about Ardie needing to add a bit of bulk to be a starter, and that theory was proven right. He will get there, but right now Todd is the better option with Ardie upping the tempo in the final quarter.
Really looking forward to this match as despite how shit SA has been recently, they grow an extra foot at home so it should be a good challenge after the most one-sided RC of all time.
@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Good team as expected. They've talked about Ardie needing to add a bit of bulk to be a starter, and that theory was proven right. He will get there, but right now Todd is the better option with Ardie upping the tempo in the final quarter.
Really looking forward to this match as despite how shit SA has been recently, they grow an extra foot at home so it should be a good challenge after the most one-sided RC of all time.
In the danger of lacking Aussie humility, this Bok side I don't think are capable of lifting. No matter where they play.
They are struggling for a playing identity and really don't have any go to plays or plans that can create opportunities.
You knew when the likes of JDV, Berger, etc were in the side that there was that capability at least to get something from nothing.
They really struggled last week to put away a bumbling Wallaby side. That's not down to poor form, but lack of plans and structures.
If ABs maintain the way they have played thus far (I think we have. A stronger team than last week), I see an AB victory by 15+.
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Good team as expected. They've talked about Ardie needing to add a bit of bulk to be a starter, and that theory was proven right. He will get there, but right now Todd is the better option with Ardie upping the tempo in the final quarter.
Really looking forward to this match as despite how shit SA has been recently, they grow an extra foot at home so it should be a good challenge after the most one-sided RC of all time.
In the danger of lacking Aussie humility, this Bok side I don't think are capable of lifting. No matter where they play.
They are struggling for a playing identity and really don't have any go to plays or plans that can create opportunities.
You knew when the likes of JDV, Berger, etc were in the side that there was that capability at least to get something from nothing.
They really struggled last week to put away a bumbling Wallaby side. That's not down to poor form, but lack of plans and structures.
If ABs maintain the way they have played thus far (I think we have. A stronger team than last week), I see an AB victory by 15+.
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks:
In the danger of lacking Aussie humility, this Bok side I don't think are capable of lifting. No matter where they play.Whatever they do they have to start with better defence. Last week was woeful - sat back and watched the Aussies run at them. When one off runners make yards all day, you know you have issues.
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@Crazy-Horse They are replaying the games on Monday morning on 505. You can record that channel.
https://www.foxtel.com.au/got/whats-on/tv-guide/search?q=rugby&q.in=zDkNnM061vg0ZgfB
@akan004 thanks mate
