Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?
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@brodean said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@gt12 said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@brodean said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@gt12 said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@brodean said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
Where are the results for the last 8 years?
Linked above, but since you asked, they aren't actually that bad at home.
This year sucked (as did 2022) but before that they were still a better chance to win at home than not.
2025: 2/5 (29%)
2024: 4/3 (57%)
2023: 4/3 (57%)
2022: 2/5 (29%)
2021: 3/0 (100%)
2020: 2/2 (50%)
2019: 4/1/3 (50%)BTW, your premise is:
Carisbrook was known as the house of pain and it was tough to win down there.
The new stadium doesn't have the same rep.Not that bad but not that good either.
Yes. I don't think the new stadium has the same reputation as Carisbrook as being a place tough to win at. Do you disagree with that?
Yeah, it's a shit take.
Carisbrook was a shithole and teams hated playing there, but that wasn't necessarily because of the quality of the Landers teams and whether they could get a win or not. It was just a freezing shithole.
That's my point that the freezing shithole gave them an edge and made them tougher. It may have been a freezing shithole but it was their freezing shithole.
The current crop of players don't have the same kind of edge. You show some great results in the mid 10's but a bunch of those players were probably forged at Carisbrook.
You have been proved wrong with stats and results.
Also Forsyth Barr is not warm. It may not be wet. But the stadium is not warm. If it is 4c outside during an evening game. It is 4c inside the stadium. Only time it can be is when the team plays afternoon games and it gets the glasshouse effect. Not many of those though.
Also, they get one training session there per game week. Every other session is run at Logan Park. Outside. Potentially in the rain and wind.
Then players who aren't in match day squads. Head off to their clubs for training nights. Off to shitty Shark Park, Hancock, down to Port Chalmers. About 200 minutes of stadium time, give or take a week. Isn't the deciding factor.
Fluffybunny thread.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@brodean said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@gt12 said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@brodean said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@gt12 said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@brodean said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
Where are the results for the last 8 years?
Linked above, but since you asked, they aren't actually that bad at home.
This year sucked (as did 2022) but before that they were still a better chance to win at home than not.
2025: 2/5 (29%)
2024: 4/3 (57%)
2023: 4/3 (57%)
2022: 2/5 (29%)
2021: 3/0 (100%)
2020: 2/2 (50%)
2019: 4/1/3 (50%)BTW, your premise is:
Carisbrook was known as the house of pain and it was tough to win down there.
The new stadium doesn't have the same rep.Not that bad but not that good either.
Yes. I don't think the new stadium has the same reputation as Carisbrook as being a place tough to win at. Do you disagree with that?
Yeah, it's a shit take.
Carisbrook was a shithole and teams hated playing there, but that wasn't necessarily because of the quality of the Landers teams and whether they could get a win or not. It was just a freezing shithole.
That's my point that the freezing shithole gave them an edge and made them tougher. It may have been a freezing shithole but it was their freezing shithole.
The current crop of players don't have the same kind of edge. You show some great results in the mid 10's but a bunch of those players were probably forged at Carisbrook.
but there is no evidence to support that...if anything we've see the results are better at forsyth barr on average
40% at the brook and 62% at Forsyth Barr on average
Yeah look I see where you're coming from but reputations don't have a lot to do with stats. They're usually based on legend, myth, and aura.
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@brodean said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@Kiwiwomble said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@brodean said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@gt12 said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@brodean said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@gt12 said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@brodean said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
Where are the results for the last 8 years?
Linked above, but since you asked, they aren't actually that bad at home.
This year sucked (as did 2022) but before that they were still a better chance to win at home than not.
2025: 2/5 (29%)
2024: 4/3 (57%)
2023: 4/3 (57%)
2022: 2/5 (29%)
2021: 3/0 (100%)
2020: 2/2 (50%)
2019: 4/1/3 (50%)BTW, your premise is:
Carisbrook was known as the house of pain and it was tough to win down there.
The new stadium doesn't have the same rep.Not that bad but not that good either.
Yes. I don't think the new stadium has the same reputation as Carisbrook as being a place tough to win at. Do you disagree with that?
Yeah, it's a shit take.
Carisbrook was a shithole and teams hated playing there, but that wasn't necessarily because of the quality of the Landers teams and whether they could get a win or not. It was just a freezing shithole.
That's my point that the freezing shithole gave them an edge and made them tougher. It may have been a freezing shithole but it was their freezing shithole.
The current crop of players don't have the same kind of edge. You show some great results in the mid 10's but a bunch of those players were probably forged at Carisbrook.
but there is no evidence to support that...if anything we've see the results are better at forsyth barr on average
40% at the brook and 62% at Forsyth Barr on average
Yeah look I see where you're coming from but reputations don't have a lot to do with stats. They're usually based on legend, myth, and aura.
but thats not what your original post said
@brodean said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
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The current Highlanders team don't fight tooth and nail as much as the Otago teams of old.
Will the new stadium in Christchurch make the Crusaders/Canterbury soft?
we can see they seem to fight harder if results are how we're gauging it and if its not results then im not sure how youre measuring it
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@canefan said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@brodean said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@canefan said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@mariner4life said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
i for one would like to congratulate brodean for the new clubhouse lead for dumbest thread of the year.
He also started the pot belly line of discussion in the ABs thread too. Off to a hot start
Hey just doing my bit to move the talk away from Akira and Blackadder.
Don't worry mate, just own it. We've all made cold takes in the past
speak for yourself, i make mine hottest of the hot
Mariner A Smith
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@mariner4life said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@canefan said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@brodean said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@canefan said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@mariner4life said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
i for one would like to congratulate brodean for the new clubhouse lead for dumbest thread of the year.
He also started the pot belly line of discussion in the ABs thread too. Off to a hot start
Hey just doing my bit to move the talk away from Akira and Blackadder.
Don't worry mate, just own it. We've all made cold takes in the past
speak for yourself, i make mine hottest of the hot
Mariner A Smith
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@Kiwiwomble said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@brodean said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@Kiwiwomble said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@brodean said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@gt12 said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@brodean said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@gt12 said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@brodean said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
Where are the results for the last 8 years?
Linked above, but since you asked, they aren't actually that bad at home.
This year sucked (as did 2022) but before that they were still a better chance to win at home than not.
2025: 2/5 (29%)
2024: 4/3 (57%)
2023: 4/3 (57%)
2022: 2/5 (29%)
2021: 3/0 (100%)
2020: 2/2 (50%)
2019: 4/1/3 (50%)BTW, your premise is:
Carisbrook was known as the house of pain and it was tough to win down there.
The new stadium doesn't have the same rep.Not that bad but not that good either.
Yes. I don't think the new stadium has the same reputation as Carisbrook as being a place tough to win at. Do you disagree with that?
Yeah, it's a shit take.
Carisbrook was a shithole and teams hated playing there, but that wasn't necessarily because of the quality of the Landers teams and whether they could get a win or not. It was just a freezing shithole.
That's my point that the freezing shithole gave them an edge and made them tougher. It may have been a freezing shithole but it was their freezing shithole.
The current crop of players don't have the same kind of edge. You show some great results in the mid 10's but a bunch of those players were probably forged at Carisbrook.
but there is no evidence to support that...if anything we've see the results are better at forsyth barr on average
40% at the brook and 62% at Forsyth Barr on average
Yeah look I see where you're coming from but reputations don't have a lot to do with stats. They're usually based on legend, myth, and aura.
but thats not what your original post said
@brodean said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
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The current Highlanders team don't fight tooth and nail as much as the Otago teams of old.
Will the new stadium in Christchurch make the Crusaders/Canterbury soft?
we can see they seem to fight harder if results are how we're gauging it and if its not results then im not sure how youre measuring it
100%
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thinking about this even more
previous highlanders squads had many more AB's than we typically see no days....youre claiming these guys fought harder...and yet got worse results?....so if the vibe and the results are both true then the brook must have been a hinderance! better players working harder got worse results? the cold dark shit hole must have been the problem....
well done shitting on the legacy
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I read this thread because I am trying to avoid studying for an exam, but I have to say that as a debate I thought that it ended here:
@SouthernMann said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
No.
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@frugby said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
My overriding memory of Carisbrook is us losing the last two Highlanders games there to the Lions (14th) and the Force (12th) in front of absolutely nobody.
mine will always be the 1999 super rugby final...mates camped out the night before for the terrace...rest of us rocked up in the morning and were only 10-20 behind them...amazing day, even with the result
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@SouthernMann said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
Also Forsyth Barr is not warm. It may not be wet. But the stadium is not warm. If it is 4c outside during an evening game. It is 4c inside the stadium. Only time it can be is when the team plays afternoon games and it gets the glasshouse effect. Not many of those though.
Still air - and humans pump out about 100W each. 10,000 people = 1MW of heating. It must be warmer inside than out.
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I think there's a point in there from @brodean somewhere. It's not so much about the players going soft, but playing in the freezing cold can be very difficult and Highlanders teams in the past had a lot of experience doing so, which made it tougher for visiting teams not as used to the conditions. You see it with the Crusaders as well, I'm pretty sure the Blues would rather not play them in the frost tonight.
Visiting teams would be happier about playing under a roof, particularly the north island teams that like to chance their arm a bit more. That said, there's so many variables involved that it's impossible to tell if the roof has made it easier for visiting teams or not. And as a fan I'd MUCH rather a stadium with a roof in that climate.
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@No-Quarter said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
I think there's a point in there from @brodean somewhere. It's not so much about the players going soft, but playing in the freezing cold can be very difficult and Highlanders teams in the past had a lot of experience doing so, which made it tougher for visiting teams not as used to the conditions. You see it with the Crusaders as well, I'm pretty sure the Blues would rather not play them in the frost tonight.
havent we already established this is unsubstantiated looking at the results...people use to come to the brook and win more often than not
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@Kiwiwomble yeah but at least the highlanders were hard when they lost.
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@nzzp said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@SouthernMann said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
Also Forsyth Barr is not warm. It may not be wet. But the stadium is not warm. If it is 4c outside during an evening game. It is 4c inside the stadium. Only time it can be is when the team plays afternoon games and it gets the glasshouse effect. Not many of those though.
Still air - and humans pump out about 100W each. 10,000 people = 1MW of heating. It must be warmer inside than out.
Certainly in the stands. Not at ground level with massive gaps at the corners for the nice southerly to blow through.
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@canefan said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
@mariner4life said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
i for one would like to congratulate brodean for the new clubhouse lead for dumbest thread of the year.
He also started the pot belly line of discussion in the ABs thread too. Off to a hot start
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The Highlanders had some scary, hairy, half-bull props in that era and I can just imagine the flaring from their nostrils in the freezing air would have been a bit of a psychological weapon.
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@nostrildamus said in Did the new Dunedin stadium make the Highlanders/Otago soft?:
The Highlanders had some scary, hairy, half-bull props in that era and I can just imagine the flaring from their nostrils in the freezing air would have been a bit of a psychological weapon.
Sure, and when the Highlanders had electric backs staring at you with a scrum 60m out, that was a great psychological weapon too.
This whole argument is a bit like the one used about big football clubs not enjoying going away to Stoke on a Cold Tuesday night. The numbers don't back it up.
