All Blacks v France I
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@brodean said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
Holland isn't as nasty as Guzzler was.
Holland's a big unit with a big engine but he isn't as menacing.
He’s also only 22… plenty of room for growth. No need him to compare him to a great AB lock before he’s even played 1 test
@Landers92 said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@brodean said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
Holland isn't as nasty as Guzzler was.
Holland's a big unit with a big engine but he isn't as menacing.
He’s also only 22… plenty of room for growth. No need him to compare him to a great AB lock before he’s even played 1 test
And he is very similar to a young brodie retallick dont you think?
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
I am surprised Finau or CLW aren't there at 6.
I’d be very surprised to see CLW play anything but number 8. He’s not in the side if Sititi is fit.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
I am surprised Finau or CLW aren't there at 6.
I’d be very surprised to see CLW play anything but number 8. He’s not in the side if Sititi is fit.
You don't see him as a 4th or 5th or 6th number 6? Because of his height? I thought he played a bit of 6 for the Crusaders (checked, ok he hasn't this season but I have read websites he can play 6 and 8).
This French team is tall, and Tupou may be moved to 6 because of it so I think in this situation CLW would be an unusual call, but he is a specialized loose forward. -
If that is the team, then I admire it because it's ballsy.
The chief problem last year was that Razor and co. were too safe in their selections and we got continuity Foster. I welcome Robertson being more confident in driving his vision of how the ABs can beat regularly the other best sides in the world.
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Chat GTP is struggling with a French team. It keeps selecting players not on the current tour.
@sparky said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
Chat GTP is struggling with a French team. It keeps selecting players not on the current tour.
Who outsourced Chat GTP to The Fern ?
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Jesus., we can do better than AI slop right.
Doesn't seem the usual level of excitement for a French test on here. There's really only downside for the ABs - a win is expected; if they struggle or (god forbid) shit the bed, it'll be flaming torches and pitchfork time
@nzzp said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
Jesus., we can do better than AI slop right.
Doesn't seem the usual level of excitement for a French test on here. There's really only downside for the ABs - a win is expected; if they struggle or (god forbid) shit the bed, it'll be flaming torches and pitchfork time
I'd love the AB's to struggle. Great opportunity to build and grow thru pressure which could reap big dividends.
As long as they win, mind.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
There's really only downside for the ABs - a win is expected; if they struggle or (god forbid) shit the bed, it'll be flaming torches and pitchfork time
Pitchforks will be out regardless....ABs are in a no win situation for this game.
Thrash them - played shit, poor skills, poor decisions
Close win - should have thrashed them
Loss - should have thrashed this shit French team@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@nzzp said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
There's really only downside for the ABs - a win is expected; if they struggle or (god forbid) shit the bed, it'll be flaming torches and pitchfork time
Pitchforks will be out regardless....ABs are in a no win situation for this game.
Thrash them - played shit, poor skills, poor decisions
Close win - should have thrashed them
Loss - should have thrashed this shit French team"Keeping our powder dry"
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@nzzp said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
Jesus., we can do better than AI slop right.
Doesn't seem the usual level of excitement for a French test on here. There's really only downside for the ABs - a win is expected; if they struggle or (god forbid) shit the bed, it'll be flaming torches and pitchfork time
I'd love the AB's to struggle. Great opportunity to build and grow thru pressure which could reap big dividends.
As long as they win, mind.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@nzzp said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
Jesus., we can do better than AI slop right.
Doesn't seem the usual level of excitement for a French test on here. There's really only downside for the ABs - a win is expected; if they struggle or (god forbid) shit the bed, it'll be flaming torches and pitchfork time
I'd love the AB's to struggle. Great opportunity to build and grow thru pressure which could reap big dividends.
As long as they win, mind.
TAB has us at $1.07. This should not be a contest.
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I can understand the Finau thing, in the Blues game he was our MVP in the last ten minutes. That won't have impressed, when the pressure was on in the finals.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
I can understand the Finau thing, in the Blues game he was our MVP in the last ten minutes. That won't have impressed, when the pressure was on in the finals.
If the last 10 of that game was so important and they think he can't handle the pressure, then why did they pick him at all - why pick one specialist 6 in the squad if you don't intend to play him?
Probably best to be careful with 'when the pressure was on in the finals' or we might end up with the cantablacks again...Playing Vaai - let's not forget our best lock last year - at 6 wouldn't be my first option, but I can see giving it a go as Holland is a gun. However, that means three of our locks in the XV and presumably (hopefully) Tuipolotu on the bench - if that's the plan, then surely we should have named another lock in the squad? Where's Beehre or whoever?
Again, I just can't see a cohesive overall strategy from Robertson - unless perhaps it is finding ways to keep the Barretts in the side: we don't pick our best 10; move our best lock to 6; move Rieko to wing to make space for the non-Barrett midfielders who are demanding selection. -
@Kirwan said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
I can understand the Finau thing, in the Blues game he was our MVP in the last ten minutes. That won't have impressed, when the pressure was on in the finals.
If the last 10 of that game was so important and they think he can't handle the pressure, then why did they pick him at all - why pick one specialist 6 in the squad if you don't intend to play him?
Probably best to be careful with 'when the pressure was on in the finals' or we might end up with the cantablacks again...Playing Vaai - let's not forget our best lock last year - at 6 wouldn't be my first option, but I can see giving it a go as Holland is a gun. However, that means three of our locks in the XV and presumably (hopefully) Tuipolotu on the bench - if that's the plan, then surely we should have named another lock in the squad? Where's Beehre or whoever?
Again, I just can't see a cohesive overall strategy from Robertson - unless perhaps it is finding ways to keep the Barretts in the side: we don't pick our best 10; move our best lock to 6; move Rieko to wing to make space for the non-Barrett midfielders who are demanding selection.@reprobate said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
I can understand the Finau thing, in the Blues game he was our MVP in the last ten minutes. That won't have impressed, when the pressure was on in the finals.
If the last 10 of that game was so important and they think he can't handle the pressure, then why did they pick him at all - why pick one specialist 6 in the squad if you don't intend to play him?
Probably best to be careful with 'when the pressure was on in the finals' or we might end up with the cantablacks again...Playing Vaai - let's not forget our best lock last year - at 6 wouldn't be my first option, but I can see giving it a go as Holland is a gun. However, that means three of our locks in the XV and presumably (hopefully) Tuipolotu on the bench - if that's the plan, then surely we should have named another lock in the squad? Where's Beehre or whoever?
Again, I just can't see a cohesive overall strategy from Robertson - unless perhaps it is finding ways to keep the Barretts in the side: we don't pick our best 10; move our best lock to 6; move Rieko to wing to make space for the non-Barrett midfielders who are demanding selection.I'm just repeating what the coaches have said in the past about weighting the final's performances more highly. Obviously still subjective as Dalton and Sotutu were huge in dragging a struggling Blues team to that position at all.
As for the part around 10, Barrett is the best ten in the country. DMac has had too many games where he shit the bed, BB is actually finding some of his magic again this year, and actually plays ten better than DMac.
Most of the great play I've seen from DMac this year was more fullback style play anyway.
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Hinton hasn't selected Vaa'i at 6 in his team, but he doesn't have Holland in the 23 either.
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Trust the Fern Process
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@reprobate said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
I can understand the Finau thing, in the Blues game he was our MVP in the last ten minutes. That won't have impressed, when the pressure was on in the finals.
If the last 10 of that game was so important and they think he can't handle the pressure, then why did they pick him at all - why pick one specialist 6 in the squad if you don't intend to play him?
Probably best to be careful with 'when the pressure was on in the finals' or we might end up with the cantablacks again...Playing Vaai - let's not forget our best lock last year - at 6 wouldn't be my first option, but I can see giving it a go as Holland is a gun. However, that means three of our locks in the XV and presumably (hopefully) Tuipolotu on the bench - if that's the plan, then surely we should have named another lock in the squad? Where's Beehre or whoever?
Again, I just can't see a cohesive overall strategy from Robertson - unless perhaps it is finding ways to keep the Barretts in the side: we don't pick our best 10; move our best lock to 6; move Rieko to wing to make space for the non-Barrett midfielders who are demanding selection.I'm just repeating what the coaches have said in the past about weighting the final's performances more highly. Obviously still subjective as Dalton and Sotutu were huge in dragging a struggling Blues team to that position at all.
As for the part around 10, Barrett is the best ten in the country. DMac has had too many games where he shit the bed, BB is actually finding some of his magic again this year, and actually plays ten better than DMac.
Most of the great play I've seen from DMac this year was more fullback style play anyway.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@reprobate said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
I can understand the Finau thing, in the Blues game he was our MVP in the last ten minutes. That won't have impressed, when the pressure was on in the finals.
If the last 10 of that game was so important and they think he can't handle the pressure, then why did they pick him at all - why pick one specialist 6 in the squad if you don't intend to play him?
Probably best to be careful with 'when the pressure was on in the finals' or we might end up with the cantablacks again...Playing Vaai - let's not forget our best lock last year - at 6 wouldn't be my first option, but I can see giving it a go as Holland is a gun. However, that means three of our locks in the XV and presumably (hopefully) Tuipolotu on the bench - if that's the plan, then surely we should have named another lock in the squad? Where's Beehre or whoever?
Again, I just can't see a cohesive overall strategy from Robertson - unless perhaps it is finding ways to keep the Barretts in the side: we don't pick our best 10; move our best lock to 6; move Rieko to wing to make space for the non-Barrett midfielders who are demanding selection.I'm just repeating what the coaches have said in the past about weighting the final's performances more highly. Obviously still subjective as Dalton and Sotutu were huge in dragging a struggling Blues team to that position at all.
As for the part around 10, Barrett is the best ten in the country. DMac has had too many games where he shit the bed, BB is actually finding some of his magic again this year, and actually plays ten better than DMac.
Most of the great play I've seen from DMac this year was more fullback style play anyway.
Couldn't disagree more with this.
McKenzie was throughout the season much better at 10 on average than Barrett was. McKenzie had a couple of middling games (and one awful one against the Waratahs) but was more often than not the best player on the park and was key to unlocking defences from first receiver.
Barrett has been an average 10 for a number of years now. He's capable of great games, but largely those aren't the result of him being a good 10, they're the result of moments of great individual play, like a chip and chase try. His kicking isn't any better strategically (or more accurate) than McKenzie's.
Really struggle to see how you could come this conclusion? Did you watch all of McKenzie's matches? Not suggesting that's why, but it would be the simple answer haha.
