All Blacks v France I
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@reprobate said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
I can understand the Finau thing, in the Blues game he was our MVP in the last ten minutes. That won't have impressed, when the pressure was on in the finals.
If the last 10 of that game was so important and they think he can't handle the pressure, then why did they pick him at all - why pick one specialist 6 in the squad if you don't intend to play him?
Probably best to be careful with 'when the pressure was on in the finals' or we might end up with the cantablacks again...Playing Vaai - let's not forget our best lock last year - at 6 wouldn't be my first option, but I can see giving it a go as Holland is a gun. However, that means three of our locks in the XV and presumably (hopefully) Tuipolotu on the bench - if that's the plan, then surely we should have named another lock in the squad? Where's Beehre or whoever?
Again, I just can't see a cohesive overall strategy from Robertson - unless perhaps it is finding ways to keep the Barretts in the side: we don't pick our best 10; move our best lock to 6; move Rieko to wing to make space for the non-Barrett midfielders who are demanding selection.I'm just repeating what the coaches have said in the past about weighting the final's performances more highly. Obviously still subjective as Dalton and Sotutu were huge in dragging a struggling Blues team to that position at all.
As for the part around 10, Barrett is the best ten in the country. DMac has had too many games where he shit the bed, BB is actually finding some of his magic again this year, and actually plays ten better than DMac.
Most of the great play I've seen from DMac this year was more fullback style play anyway.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@reprobate said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
I can understand the Finau thing, in the Blues game he was our MVP in the last ten minutes. That won't have impressed, when the pressure was on in the finals.
If the last 10 of that game was so important and they think he can't handle the pressure, then why did they pick him at all - why pick one specialist 6 in the squad if you don't intend to play him?
Probably best to be careful with 'when the pressure was on in the finals' or we might end up with the cantablacks again...Playing Vaai - let's not forget our best lock last year - at 6 wouldn't be my first option, but I can see giving it a go as Holland is a gun. However, that means three of our locks in the XV and presumably (hopefully) Tuipolotu on the bench - if that's the plan, then surely we should have named another lock in the squad? Where's Beehre or whoever?
Again, I just can't see a cohesive overall strategy from Robertson - unless perhaps it is finding ways to keep the Barretts in the side: we don't pick our best 10; move our best lock to 6; move Rieko to wing to make space for the non-Barrett midfielders who are demanding selection.I'm just repeating what the coaches have said in the past about weighting the final's performances more highly. Obviously still subjective as Dalton and Sotutu were huge in dragging a struggling Blues team to that position at all.
As for the part around 10, Barrett is the best ten in the country. DMac has had too many games where he shit the bed, BB is actually finding some of his magic again this year, and actually plays ten better than DMac.
Most of the great play I've seen from DMac this year was more fullback style play anyway.
Couldn't disagree more with this.
McKenzie was throughout the season much better at 10 on average than Barrett was. McKenzie had a couple of middling games (and one awful one against the Waratahs) but was more often than not the best player on the park and was key to unlocking defences from first receiver.
Barrett has been an average 10 for a number of years now. He's capable of great games, but largely those aren't the result of him being a good 10, they're the result of moments of great individual play, like a chip and chase try. His kicking isn't any better strategically (or more accurate) than McKenzie's.
Really struggle to see how you could come this conclusion? Did you watch all of McKenzie's matches? Not suggesting that's why, but it would be the simple answer haha.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
I can understand the Finau thing, in the Blues game he was our MVP in the last ten minutes. That won't have impressed, when the pressure was on in the finals.
If the last 10 of that game was so important and they think he can't handle the pressure, then why did they pick him at all - why pick one specialist 6 in the squad if you don't intend to play him?
Probably best to be careful with 'when the pressure was on in the finals' or we might end up with the cantablacks again...Playing Vaai - let's not forget our best lock last year - at 6 wouldn't be my first option, but I can see giving it a go as Holland is a gun. However, that means three of our locks in the XV and presumably (hopefully) Tuipolotu on the bench - if that's the plan, then surely we should have named another lock in the squad? Where's Beehre or whoever?
Again, I just can't see a cohesive overall strategy from Robertson - unless perhaps it is finding ways to keep the Barretts in the side: we don't pick our best 10; move our best lock to 6; move Rieko to wing to make space for the non-Barrett midfielders who are demanding selection.I'm just repeating what the coaches have said in the past about weighting the final's performances more highly. Obviously still subjective as Dalton and Sotutu were huge in dragging a struggling Blues team to that position at all.
As for the part around 10, Barrett is the best ten in the country. DMac has had too many games where he shit the bed, BB is actually finding some of his magic again this year, and actually plays ten better than DMac.
Most of the great play I've seen from DMac this year was more fullback style play anyway.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@reprobate said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
I can understand the Finau thing, in the Blues game he was our MVP in the last ten minutes. That won't have impressed, when the pressure was on in the finals.
If the last 10 of that game was so important and they think he can't handle the pressure, then why did they pick him at all - why pick one specialist 6 in the squad if you don't intend to play him?
Probably best to be careful with 'when the pressure was on in the finals' or we might end up with the cantablacks again...Playing Vaai - let's not forget our best lock last year - at 6 wouldn't be my first option, but I can see giving it a go as Holland is a gun. However, that means three of our locks in the XV and presumably (hopefully) Tuipolotu on the bench - if that's the plan, then surely we should have named another lock in the squad? Where's Beehre or whoever?
Again, I just can't see a cohesive overall strategy from Robertson - unless perhaps it is finding ways to keep the Barretts in the side: we don't pick our best 10; move our best lock to 6; move Rieko to wing to make space for the non-Barrett midfielders who are demanding selection.I'm just repeating what the coaches have said in the past about weighting the final's performances more highly. Obviously still subjective as Dalton and Sotutu were huge in dragging a struggling Blues team to that position at all.
As for the part around 10, Barrett is the best ten in the country. DMac has had too many games where he shit the bed, BB is actually finding some of his magic again this year, and actually plays ten better than DMac.
Most of the great play I've seen from DMac this year was more fullback style play anyway.
The coaches are inconsistent in their reasoning and contradict themselves anyway.
On the one hand Razor says in his interview Sititi was selected because of one big semi final game last year - "he's a big game player" ( except in the actual final ).
On the other hand Ryan says they consider the entire season.
They just change the narrative depending on what selection they want to justify.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@reprobate said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
I can understand the Finau thing, in the Blues game he was our MVP in the last ten minutes. That won't have impressed, when the pressure was on in the finals.
If the last 10 of that game was so important and they think he can't handle the pressure, then why did they pick him at all - why pick one specialist 6 in the squad if you don't intend to play him?
Probably best to be careful with 'when the pressure was on in the finals' or we might end up with the cantablacks again...Playing Vaai - let's not forget our best lock last year - at 6 wouldn't be my first option, but I can see giving it a go as Holland is a gun. However, that means three of our locks in the XV and presumably (hopefully) Tuipolotu on the bench - if that's the plan, then surely we should have named another lock in the squad? Where's Beehre or whoever?
Again, I just can't see a cohesive overall strategy from Robertson - unless perhaps it is finding ways to keep the Barretts in the side: we don't pick our best 10; move our best lock to 6; move Rieko to wing to make space for the non-Barrett midfielders who are demanding selection.I'm just repeating what the coaches have said in the past about weighting the final's performances more highly. Obviously still subjective as Dalton and Sotutu were huge in dragging a struggling Blues team to that position at all.
As for the part around 10, Barrett is the best ten in the country. DMac has had too many games where he shit the bed, BB is actually finding some of his magic again this year, and actually plays ten better than DMac.
Most of the great play I've seen from DMac this year was more fullback style play anyway.
The coaches are inconsistent in their reasoning and contradict themselves anyway.
On the one hand Razor says in his interview Sititi was selected because of one big semi final game last year - "he's a big game player" ( except in the actual final ).
On the other hand Ryan says they consider the entire season.
They just change the narrative depending on what selection they want to justify.
@brodean said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@reprobate said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
I can understand the Finau thing, in the Blues game he was our MVP in the last ten minutes. That won't have impressed, when the pressure was on in the finals.
If the last 10 of that game was so important and they think he can't handle the pressure, then why did they pick him at all - why pick one specialist 6 in the squad if you don't intend to play him?
Probably best to be careful with 'when the pressure was on in the finals' or we might end up with the cantablacks again...Playing Vaai - let's not forget our best lock last year - at 6 wouldn't be my first option, but I can see giving it a go as Holland is a gun. However, that means three of our locks in the XV and presumably (hopefully) Tuipolotu on the bench - if that's the plan, then surely we should have named another lock in the squad? Where's Beehre or whoever?
Again, I just can't see a cohesive overall strategy from Robertson - unless perhaps it is finding ways to keep the Barretts in the side: we don't pick our best 10; move our best lock to 6; move Rieko to wing to make space for the non-Barrett midfielders who are demanding selection.I'm just repeating what the coaches have said in the past about weighting the final's performances more highly. Obviously still subjective as Dalton and Sotutu were huge in dragging a struggling Blues team to that position at all.
As for the part around 10, Barrett is the best ten in the country. DMac has had too many games where he shit the bed, BB is actually finding some of his magic again this year, and actually plays ten better than DMac.
Most of the great play I've seen from DMac this year was more fullback style play anyway.
The coaches are inconsistent in their reasoning and contradict themselves anyway.
On the one hand Razor says in his interview Sititi was selected because of one big semi final game last year - "he's a big game player" ( except in the actual final ).
On the other hand Ryan says they consider the entire season.
They just change the narrative depending on what selection they want to justify.
National team selection is subjective. There’s no criteria, so it’s always going to be that way.
For what it’s worth, on Sititi they have had their eye on him for a while so whether he played well in the finals or not, they were keen on him anyway.
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Interesting, Mexted has been calling for vaii to play 6 and holland to start at lock for some time on that podcast he does with devlin.
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I don't mind the Vaa'i selection it gives us a big forward pack with Holland starting,Vaa'i could be an imposing figure at 6, I am interested to see how it goes ,Vaa'i is a better player than he was when tried at 6 in that one game.
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
I don't mind the Vaa'i selection it gives us a big forward pack with Holland starting,Vaa'i could be an imposing figure at 6, I am interested to see how it goes ,Vaa'i is a better player than he was when tried at 6 in that one game.
It also doesn’t mean it’s something they have to stick with, it could be a case of let’s try it and see what it looks like .
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Official All Blacks 23 vs France:
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@Chris said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
I don't mind the Vaa'i selection it gives us a big forward pack with Holland starting,Vaa'i could be an imposing figure at 6, I am interested to see how it goes ,Vaa'i is a better player than he was when tried at 6 in that one game.
It also doesn’t mean it’s something they have to stick with, it could be a case of let’s try it and see what it looks like .
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
I don't mind the Vaa'i selection it gives us a big forward pack with Holland starting,Vaa'i could be an imposing figure at 6, I am interested to see how it goes ,Vaa'i is a better player than he was when tried at 6 in that one game.
It also doesn’t mean it’s something they have to stick with, it could be a case of let’s try it and see what it looks like .
That's true
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Official All Blacks 23 vs France:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
Official All Blacks 23 vs France:
Have they got the wings round the right way ?
No Clarke is a surprise
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
Official All Blacks 23 vs France:
Have they got the wings round the right way ?
No Clarke is a surprise
@MN5 said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
Have they got the wings round the right way ?
My second impression too. Seems very odd.
First impression was @george33 was correct on some of his calls.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
Official All Blacks 23 vs France:
Have they got the wings round the right way ?
No Clarke is a surprise
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@george33 fair play on the tips you sent through, your source has come through with the goods.
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Congrats to our new ABs. An exciting time for them and their families. And Tosi gets another chance which is great to see.
Seeing an official 23 no matter who we are playing always stirs the emotions. Bring on Saturday
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Stoked for Fabian Holland. Hopefully his Mum who had been in NZ visiting him has extended her stay to watch her son make his debut
@1kiwi said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
Stoked for Fabian Holland. Hopefully his Mum who had been in NZ visiting him has extended her stay to watch her son make his debut
They (including Mum and brother) had tickets to watch this test. Now it will mean much more. Throwing the locals a bone with two Otago debutants.
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Really looking forward to seeing how the newbies go. A bit of a shame for Timoci not getting that opportunity off the bench in Dunners but Tupaea deserves to be in the 23 after a very strong Super season.
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I guess the thing with Finau coming on, is the Chiefs also used him to good effect finishing the game at 6 off the bench, but its more the impact on Vaai moving from 6 to lock that is of concern.
Some other good changes though
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Official All Blacks 23 vs France:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
Official All Blacks 23 vs France:
So the lock cover is Vaa'i moving and Finau coming off the bench. Can't say I like that logic.
