All Blacks v France I
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v France I:
It's interesting that the prevailing opinion is we kicked a lot of ball away, yet at the same time we held 62% of possession which is pretty dominant.
It's not the amount of kicking as such, it's the timing and type of ball we kick away. We were dominating the contacts, making linebreaks, flooding forward... and then kicking.
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France I:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v France I:
It's interesting that the prevailing opinion is we kicked a lot of ball away, yet at the same time we held 62% of possession which is pretty dominant.
It's not the amount of kicking as such, it's the timing and type of ball we kick away. We were dominating the contacts, making linebreaks, flooding forward... and then kicking.
Agree. And it’s also the optics of it. Too many occasions our kicks look rushed or indecisive or a bit haphazard.
I think back to when DC played and when he was siting in the pocket to get on to that sweeping left boot or when he was attacking the line with confidence for a rare chip, it was done with confidence. And whilst he didn’t nail every kick perfectly, at least it sent a message to the opposition that he had a kicking game to be worried about.
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Rugby is fucked. Too many laws. Too many pedantic piston wristed gibbons making decisions. Just fuck off. This is farcical. It is a broken game. People are not going to watch this shit.
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v France I:
Rugby is fucked. Too many laws. Too many pedantic piston wristed gibbons making decisions. Just fuck off. This is farcical. It is a broken game. People are not going to watch this shit.
You're not wrong, we are in the somewhat ridicolus situation where world rugby tweaks rules to "make the game faster" by saving at most a few seconds of game time while on the same hand being more than comfortable for the game to be brought to an absolute grinding halt for 3 minutes plus while the TMO, referee and both assistant referees stand in the middle of the park watching slow-mo replays on endless loop.
On the weekend all 3 tries were seen by the referee who ruled at the time they were ok, so it's not like he missed seeing them but he was overuled via slow-mo replay picking out minute infringements, Proctors non-try was laughable.
Cricket at least protects it's referee's with the defaut being that the ref is correct and only if clear and obvious evidence is provided otherwise is their decision overturned. The clear and obvious part is provided by technology i.e snicko, ball tracking, hot spot. Rugby has no more technology than people huddled around a TV screen and its farcical.
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I'll say it one more time, we need to get a brains trust (former players, coaches, refs, not just administrators) into a room, clear the rule book
15 a side
dimensions of the field
try's and conversions
we want scrums and lineouts
cant pass the ball forward...
....whats next?i feel too many of the current interpretations are built ontop of previous interpretations and like a game of telephone it gets distorted
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v France I:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v France I:
It's interesting that the prevailing opinion is we kicked a lot of ball away, yet at the same time we held 62% of possession which is pretty dominant.
It's not the amount of kicking as such, it's the timing and type of ball we kick away. We were dominating the contacts, making linebreaks, flooding forward... and then kicking.
Agree. And it’s also the optics of it. Too many occasions our kicks look rushed or indecisive or a bit haphazard.
I think back to when DC played and when he was siting in the pocket to get on to that sweeping left boot or when he was attacking the line with confidence for a rare chip, it was done with confidence. And whilst he didn’t nail every kick perfectly, at least it sent a message to the opposition that he had a kicking game to be worried about.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France I:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v France I:
It's not the amount of kicking as such, it's the timing and type of ball we kick away. We were dominating the contacts, making linebreaks, flooding forward... and then kicking.
Agree. And it’s also the optics of it. Too many occasions our kicks look rushed or indecisive or a bit haphazard.
I think back to when DC played and when he was siting in the pocket to get on to that sweeping left boot or when he was attacking the line with confidence for a rare chip, it was done with confidence. And whilst he didn’t nail every kick perfectly, at least it sent a message to the opposition that he had a kicking game to be worried about.
Driving opposition teams back with long kicks seems to have been abandoned completely. Even with Carter injured during the 2011 World Cup, instead of forgetting about that tactic, the team used Dagg to good effect, particularly in the semifinal against Australia.
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After finally reading the comments, I was surprised that amongst the praise Jordie wasn't criticised like Proctor for the first French try. He got skinned chasing Gailleton, and was saved by big brother with a try-saving tackle.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v France I:
After finally reading the comments, I was surprised that amongst the praise Jordie wasn't criticised like Proctor for the first French try. He got skinned chasing Gailleton, and was saved by big brother with a try-saving tackle.
I think the concern for Proctor is that scenario has already played out for him in black, and it's a scenario that will continue to play out when defending from centre. If teams identify he is weak on his outside shoulder they'll target him all day there. Jordie at 12 is closer in so less likely to have a player trying to take him on the outside like that.
For all of the complaints about Rieko, defensively he's one of the best centres we've ever had. A team like SA would love him there and wouldn't give a shit about so called issues with distribution etc.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v France I:
After finally reading the comments, I was surprised that amongst the praise Jordie wasn't criticised like Proctor for the first French try. He got skinned chasing Gailleton, and was saved by big brother with a try-saving tackle.
I think the concern for Proctor is that scenario has already played out for him in black, and it's a scenario that will continue to play out when defending from centre. If teams identify he is weak on his outside shoulder they'll target him all day there. Jordie at 12 is closer in so less likely to have a player trying to take him on the outside like that.
For all of the complaints about Rieko, defensively he's one of the best centres we've ever had. A team like SA would love him there and wouldn't give a shit about so called issues with distribution etc.
@No-Quarter I think in that case, Proctor was too close to JB than simply that he was skinned for pace, his opposite was standing well outside him, there was such a massive gap between Proctor and whoever was defending at wing in that play.
That said, it a major error on his part, but you'd hope Jordie and whoever was at wing (Jordan?) should also be talking as they can see things too.
