All Blacks v France II

taniwharugby · The greatest 10-12-13 that never was

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France 2:

@Bones

10- Dagg
12- Ardie
13- Messam

The greatest 10-12-13 that never was

8- Hayman

could be a good idea for a thread....

The 'where they should have played 15'

BerniesCorner

Very glad Ioane on the wing.
Backline exciting.
I thought the backline last week looked capable of breaking down defences through good passing.

Bovidae

Colombe is a huge person but always seems to struggle in the scrums when I see him play for France. Time for EdG to make a statement.

nzzp

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v France 2:

I thought the backline last week looked capable of breaking down defences through good passing.

I thought our passing looked noticeably faster than prevoius years. It looked good

cgrant

Newell should dominate Erdocio who struggled in the scrums against England .

BerniesCorner

@nzzp Proctor will probably have the most scrutiny on him this week. I hope he goes well.
A Barrett-Proctor combo could be a game changer for the backline.
Early days

brodean

@BerniesCorner

Main thing for Proctor is to sure up his defence.

Another try like Frances first score last week would not be a good look

game_film

@brodean Worst part about that tackle was the couple of seconds he spent in self pity immediately after while laying on the turf. Get up, get back, go again.

brodean

@game_film

Well he'll need to up his body language game too then.

kiwiinmelb

I played centre and wing in my younger days obviously at lower levels.

But I used to think the most demoralising thing to happen to you in those positions is being beaten on the outside.

brodean

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v France 2:

I played centre and wing in my younger days obviously at lower levels.

But I used to think the most demoralising thing to happen to you in those positions is being beaten on the outside.

Attissogbe at 20 looks like he's going to be a special player so maybe forgivable however you'd have to say that Rieko probably makes that tackle.

There may have been a couple of times where Rieko got beaten in the last five years but I seem to remember him recovering and catching them in the end.

kiwiinmelb

@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v France 2:

I played centre and wing in my younger days obviously at lower levels.

But I used to think the most demoralising thing to happen to you in those positions is being beaten on the outside.

Attissogbe at 20 looks like he's going to be a special player so maybe forgivable however you'd have to say that Rieko probably makes that tackle.

There may have been a couple of times where Rieko got beaten in the last five years but I seem to remember him recovering and catching them in the end.

I’d need to watch it again, only watched it the once, but he also seemed to be moving up from the inside almost inviting a guy with pace to go on his outside

george33

Rumours are that Caleb Clarke went down at training in serious doubt.
Any one got any more news on that.

Kirwan

So what's the consenus on this team? I'm surprised at the apathy here at us nearly getting tipped up by the French B team.

I don't think this a strong All Black squad, I think four years of Ryan as forwards coach and the same problems in the loosies (if anything we've gone backwards there) is pretty damning.

I can see us relying on individual brilliance, from newish players like Roigard, to paper over these cracks.

MN5

@george33 said in All Blacks v France 2:

Rumours are that Caleb Clarke went down at training in serious doubt.
Any one got any more news on that.

Jordan to wing, Love to FB. Straight swap

canefan

@Kirwan said in All Blacks v France 2:

So what's the consenus on this team? I'm surprised at the apathy here at us nearly getting tipped up by the French B team.

I don't think this a strong All Black squad, I think four years of Ryan as forwards coach and the same problems in the loosies (if anything we've gone backwards there) is pretty damning.

I can see us relying on individual brilliance, from newish players like Roigard, to paper over these cracks.

Definitely lack cohesion across the entire team, we don't seem to be as effective as the French were at cleaning out and keeping possession, our kicking game and kick return is poor. Our attack did show signs of quality in patches, but we either made stupid mistakes or got scammed by the ref and TMO (whichever you believe) that cost us points in the second half

george33

@MN5 perhaps Narewa to wing

MN5

@george33 said in All Blacks v France 2:

@MN5 perhaps Narewa to wing

Depends how much the selectors want to piss off @Bones whether Jordan moves or not I guess.

Kiwiwomble

@MN5 said in All Blacks v France 2:

@george33 said in All Blacks v France 2:

Rumours are that Caleb Clarke went down at training in serious doubt.
Any one got any more news on that.

Jordan to wing, Love to FB. Straight swap

thats not a straight swap thought is it.....:winking_face:

its the first thing i thought of though too, jordan on the left or does RI go back to the left?

ShaquilleOatmeal

@Kirwan said in All Blacks v France 2:

So what's the consenus on this team? I'm surprised at the apathy here at us nearly getting tipped up by the French B team.

I don't think this a strong All Black squad, I think four years of Ryan as forwards coach and the same problems in the loosies (if anything we've gone backwards there) is pretty damning.

I can see us relying on individual brilliance, from newish players like Roigard, to paper over these cracks.

Given the injuries, I don't think there are many changes they could make to improve the team from within the squad they've selected and I'm happy they haven't gone for a drastically different line up. Another scratchy performance this week, especially from certain individual players, and they might shift things around more for the third test but, again, I'm not sure they have all the many options in a number of areas so maybe sticking with players they think have potential and giving them time to improve is the way to go. I'm also not sure the less than optimal performance from last week was down to the players as much as the game plan or lack of time together. If that's right, changing the players won't help much.

The Silver Fern

All Blacks v France II