All Blacks v France II
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@Duluth said in All Blacks v France 2:
@middleman said in All Blacks v France 2:
Happy with the game but getting really pissed off with Dagg and all the advertorials for the TAB. Also not sure what Wheeler brings to the package. I just listen to what Mils ( and surprisingly Beaver ) says after the game and then do something else.
Mils talks and doesn’t really offer any opinions. Donald is good.. the only one who seems to analyse what actually happened not just repeat talking points they came up with in rehearsal
I agree with Donald , sometimes the guys who give the best analysis weren’t necessarily the best players and vica versa . .
I liked his show on radio while it lasted even if it meant putting up with Kirsty .
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France 2:
Proctor is fucking useless
Not showing the promised awesomeness.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France 2:
When Jordie plays at 10 we are so much more direct.
Can't believe BB missed that easy conversion and he is still passing way too early.Can't believe we're opting for Beaudie to goal kick when Jordie is on the field.
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@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
Robertson's plan was to give everyone a run according to him.
Proctor has very much been a mixed bag.
Kirifi was picked on his ability to win turnovers and his good discipline. He hasn't won a single turnover so far and gave away 3 penalties in 20 minutes yesterday.
Yep, I heard the statement from coach, just saying I hate it.
I’d personally agree on Proctor, but I’d add that the consensus seems to be a decent T2 improvement on a fairly forgettable T1 - so why not give him another go to see if he can build on it? We know what ALB and Rieko offer there, let’s carry on with creating depth.
> Kirifi looked so frustrated today arguing with the ref didn’t he?
I'm pretty neutral on what happens with Proctor at the moment but it would seem that Proctor was a big part of their plan. The backline hasn't been great though and we got out to an early lead yesterday by keeping it tight.
I've always suspected that Kirifi would not go well with refs who are not Kiwis or Aussies. I doubt the coaches will appreciate the ongoing dialogue he was having with the ref
Interesting seeing a lot of these guys up close in my first AB test since 2011.
The thought of injuries striking and a loose trio of Savea, Lio Willie and Kirifi on the field at the same time is too ridiculous for words. We know what Ardie brings but the other two will just get rag dolled by bigger teams. They honestly looked like halfbacks out there. Savea is still such an X factor player though. The run to set up Vaai was amazing to see.
Reiko Ioane is bigger than I thought he’d be. Would have been good to see him have a crack on the outside. Possibly not as sharp as he used to be.
TNT a pocket battleship, worth persevering with.
Proctor a bit rocks and diamonds.
Jordie effective and did well to bounce back from that tip tackle.
Tuipulotu toiled hard, seems rough he’ll probably be jettisoned when Barrett comes back because they’ll certainly keep Holland on the park as much as possible.
Vaai going from strength to strength. This could be his long term position. Not good news for Finau who did nothing.
Food excellent if over priced ( I had two separate feeds as I was starving ). Beer tolerable.
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Jordie did a good job at 10. Everything was so much more simpler which as it turns out is all we needed.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v France 2:
@Frank said in All Blacks v France 2:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France 2:
Beaudy was a massive disappointment.
RUBEN LOVE IS A LEGEND!!!!!!!
I reckon Higgins can play 10.
Godfrey
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@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
So we finished with Finau at lock, Lio-Willie at 6, Ardie at 8 and Kirifi at 7 after Vaa'i went off?
No surprises things turned a bit sloppy. Hopefully Vaa'i is not injured too badly.
You and your "logic".
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@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
Robertson's plan was to give everyone a run according to him.
Proctor has very much been a mixed bag.
Kirifi was picked on his ability to win turnovers and his good discipline. He hasn't won a single turnover so far and gave away 3 penalties in 20 minutes yesterday.
Yep, I heard the statement from coach, just saying I hate it.
I’d personally agree on Proctor, but I’d add that the consensus seems to be a decent T2 improvement on a fairly forgettable T1 - so why not give him another go to see if he can build on it? We know what ALB and Rieko offer there, let’s carry on with creating depth.
Kirifi looked so frustrated today arguing with the ref didn’t he?
I'm pretty neutral on what happens with Proctor at the moment but it would seem that Proctor was a big part of their plan. The backline hasn't been great though and we got out to an early lead yesterday by keeping it tight.
I've always suspected that Kirifi would not go well with refs who are not Kiwis or Aussies. I doubt the coaches will appreciate the ongoing dialogue he was having with the ref
And maybe International sides are just better at protecting the ball than domestic sides?
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks v France 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
Robertson's plan was to give everyone a run according to him.
Proctor has very much been a mixed bag.
Kirifi was picked on his ability to win turnovers and his good discipline. He hasn't won a single turnover so far and gave away 3 penalties in 20 minutes yesterday.
Yep, I heard the statement from coach, just saying I hate it.
I’d personally agree on Proctor, but I’d add that the consensus seems to be a decent T2 improvement on a fairly forgettable T1 - so why not give him another go to see if he can build on it? We know what ALB and Rieko offer there, let’s carry on with creating depth.
Kirifi looked so frustrated today arguing with the ref didn’t he?
I'm pretty neutral on what happens with Proctor at the moment but it would seem that Proctor was a big part of their plan. The backline hasn't been great though and we got out to an early lead yesterday by keeping it tight.
I've always suspected that Kirifi would not go well with refs who are not Kiwis or Aussies. I doubt the coaches will appreciate the ongoing dialogue he was having with the ref
And maybe International sides are just better at protecting the ball than domestic sides?
It's a good point you raise. It's interesting watching the Lions, England and Scotland sides this weekend. As the defending team they really attack the ball at the breakdown collectively across the park not relying on any one player for that job.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v France II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v France 2:
Proctor a bit rocks and diamonds.
Diamonds?
I don’t want to upset @Canes4life
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@brodean said in All Blacks v France II:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks v France 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
Robertson's plan was to give everyone a run according to him.
Proctor has very much been a mixed bag.
Kirifi was picked on his ability to win turnovers and his good discipline. He hasn't won a single turnover so far and gave away 3 penalties in 20 minutes yesterday.
Yep, I heard the statement from coach, just saying I hate it.
I’d personally agree on Proctor, but I’d add that the consensus seems to be a decent T2 improvement on a fairly forgettable T1 - so why not give him another go to see if he can build on it? We know what ALB and Rieko offer there, let’s carry on with creating depth.
Kirifi looked so frustrated today arguing with the ref didn’t he?
I'm pretty neutral on what happens with Proctor at the moment but it would seem that Proctor was a big part of their plan. The backline hasn't been great though and we got out to an early lead yesterday by keeping it tight.
I've always suspected that Kirifi would not go well with refs who are not Kiwis or Aussies. I doubt the coaches will appreciate the ongoing dialogue he was having with the ref
And maybe International sides are just better at protecting the ball than domestic sides?
It's a good point you raise. It's interesting watching the Lions, England and Scotland sides this weekend. As the defending team they really attack the ball at the breakdown collectively across the park not relying on any one player for that job.
Yup, a real area the northern sides concentrate on. We like to commit less to breakdowns here obviously as we like to use the full width of the field , but there, obviously committing more numbers to each breakdown, using less of the field, more size across their packs, a real willingness to not lose the ball in the wrong part of the field, a real emphasis on the high ball, all these aspects of play make a specialist jacklers job very hard to have success internationally, as opposed to domestically.
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Up there as one of PTs best games in black?
Hope he can build on that, eas good having 2 big men in him and Holland and then Vaai in the loose.
But damn we need to do.better with our bench, need to revisit the make up of our starting 15 and bench cos we are getting fuck all from them.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France II:
Up there as one of PTs best games in black?
Hope he can build on that, eas good having 2 big men in him and Holland and then Vaai in the loose.
> But damn we need to do.better with out bench, need to revisit the make up of our starting 15 and bench cos we are getting fuck all from them.
Yeah I’m not sure a single individual actually made ANY kind of positive impact.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v France II:
@booboo said in All Blacks v France II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v France 2:
Proctor a bit rocks and diamonds.
Diamonds?
I don’t want to upset @Canes4life
In all seriousness I’m just happy he improved from the first test. Was really solid in that second half, definitely looked to grow into his work and showed a bit more confidence with about three big defensive plays. One preventing a try under our posts with a great tackle, second was the turnover just before halftime and the third was the defensive read towards the end of the second half which led to a penalty.
On attack, he was solid without being spectacular but felt the ball didn’t really go his way in that first half with all the kicking. Made a few solid carries in the second.
Onwards and upwards.
Far from the finished product but his improvement from t1 to t2 was good.
