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Wallabies v Lions I

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  • NTAN Offline
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    I mean.... Just look at this fuckwit. Easily the worst call Farrell has made

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    • KirwanK Kirwan

      I was really surprised how soft the Wallabies looked, they were getting dominated for the first 50mins. Only some awesome work in the air from their winger keeping the score close.

      Lions did fade pretty badly though, and O'Thief was up to his usual standard with just bizarre calls. The no arms tackle being an obvious one. But the crap he let go at the ruck slowed the game down, so much.

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      @Kirwan Ben O’Thief. First time I’ve heard that. Beauty

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      • DodgeD Dodge

        @MiketheSnow said in Wallabies v Lions I:

        Friends who went said it was a great evening with a tremendous atmosphere

        Farrell totally vindicated with his selections of Beirne and Curry in the back row

        Beirne got MOTM but I would have given it to Curry

        Excellent, dominant first half from the Lions and should have kicked on to give the Wallabies a real pasting in the second half

        But personnel changes gave the Aussies a sniff and they were like 50 year olds at the Oasis reunion gigs, didn’t need a second invitation to have a go

        There is no way on God’s Green Earth that Earl had arms in that tackle

        Should have been Penalty (possibly Penalty Try) and YC

        12-24 with Earl in the bin from the 60th - 70th minutes is a very different game

        Lowe, Keenan, and Freeman the only realistic changes for the second test

        With possibly Morgan or Pollock on the bench instead of Earl

        If Schmidt has his thinking cap on this week and the Italian ref wants to penalise the Lions offsides and repeated killing of the ball in their own 22 it could be a very interesting second match

        Back three all had pretty average games which there’s no real excuse for when your forwards are that dominant.

        As for the Earl tackle, surprised he got away with it but wouldn’t necessarily blame BOK, the TMO was categorical that there were arms in the tackle and it was fine, BOK checked on a number of occasions but was shut down.

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        @Dodge said in Wallabies v Lions I:

        @MiketheSnow said in Wallabies v Lions I:

        Friends who went said it was a great evening with a tremendous atmosphere

        Farrell totally vindicated with his selections of Beirne and Curry in the back row

        Beirne got MOTM but I would have given it to Curry

        Excellent, dominant first half from the Lions and should have kicked on to give the Wallabies a real pasting in the second half

        But personnel changes gave the Aussies a sniff and they were like 50 year olds at the Oasis reunion gigs, didn’t need a second invitation to have a go

        There is no way on God’s Green Earth that Earl had arms in that tackle

        Should have been Penalty (possibly Penalty Try) and YC

        12-24 with Earl in the bin from the 60th - 70th minutes is a very different game

        Lowe, Keenan, and Freeman the only realistic changes for the second test

        With possibly Morgan or Pollock on the bench instead of Earl

        If Schmidt has his thinking cap on this week and the Italian ref wants to penalise the Lions offsides and repeated killing of the ball in their own 22 it could be a very interesting second match

        Back three all had pretty average games which there’s no real excuse for when your forwards are that dominant.

        As for the Earl tackle, surprised he got away with it but wouldn’t necessarily blame BOK, the TMO was categorical that there were arms in the tackle and it was fine, BOK checked on a number of occasions but was shut down.

        I originally thought it looked no arms, but when I watched replay, it was pretty legal, he had arms in front of body which is all you can do. I actually thought all 3 calls were good, but I not a fan of YCs for the sake of them.

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        • game_filmG game_film

          @Kirwan Ben O’Thief. First time I’ve heard that. Beauty

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          @game_film said in Wallabies v Lions I:

          @Kirwan Ben O’Thief. First time I’ve heard that. Beauty

          Can't claim to have coined that, its a well earned nickname.

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          • Dan54D Dan54

            @Dodge said in Wallabies v Lions I:

            @MiketheSnow said in Wallabies v Lions I:

            Friends who went said it was a great evening with a tremendous atmosphere

            Farrell totally vindicated with his selections of Beirne and Curry in the back row

            Beirne got MOTM but I would have given it to Curry

            Excellent, dominant first half from the Lions and should have kicked on to give the Wallabies a real pasting in the second half

            But personnel changes gave the Aussies a sniff and they were like 50 year olds at the Oasis reunion gigs, didn’t need a second invitation to have a go

            There is no way on God’s Green Earth that Earl had arms in that tackle

            Should have been Penalty (possibly Penalty Try) and YC

            12-24 with Earl in the bin from the 60th - 70th minutes is a very different game

            Lowe, Keenan, and Freeman the only realistic changes for the second test

            With possibly Morgan or Pollock on the bench instead of Earl

            If Schmidt has his thinking cap on this week and the Italian ref wants to penalise the Lions offsides and repeated killing of the ball in their own 22 it could be a very interesting second match

            Back three all had pretty average games which there’s no real excuse for when your forwards are that dominant.

            As for the Earl tackle, surprised he got away with it but wouldn’t necessarily blame BOK, the TMO was categorical that there were arms in the tackle and it was fine, BOK checked on a number of occasions but was shut down.

            I originally thought it looked no arms, but when I watched replay, it was pretty legal, he had arms in front of body which is all you can do. I actually thought all 3 calls were good, but I not a fan of YCs for the sake of them.

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            @Dan54 arms don't matter, can't target the knee.

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            • NTAN NTA

              @Canes4life said in Wallabies v Lions I:

              @brodean said in Wallabies v Lions I:

              @Canes4life said in Wallabies v Lions I:

              @KiwiMurph said in Wallabies v Lions I:

              @Canes4life said in Wallabies v Lions I:

              McDermott should be starting all day long

              Yeah no. His kicking game ain't good enough. Best suited to the bench

              Disagree, he's been the best halfback in Aus by some distance this year IMO, I thought his kicking improved quite a lot this year compared to previous seasons. Him starting alongside Lynagh who is a rookie in such a big test would have been the better way to go. Gordon is very hit and miss.

              Overall, I think the Wallabies look very disjointed. Pollard and Bell should be starting, and I'd argue Skelton's size in the pack would have helped them muscle up. I just can't see them winning but hopefully I'm proven wrong.

              They probably want Gordon to control the game with his boot like Roigard did in the first half last week.

              Fair to say Gordon did not control the game well. He was woeful. Tate offered so much more coming off the bench.

              At the same time: our forwards were giving us really shit and/or slow ball, and the Lions were camping in our backline all day.

              I'd rather BOK actually watch the last feet than twist himself into knots trying to find reasons not to award penalties at ruck time.

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              @NTA fuck that's right, the blatant offside was ridiculous and lions took the piss more and more towards the end of the game.

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              • BonesB Bones

                @NTA fuck that's right, the blatant offside was ridiculous and lions took the piss more and more towards the end of the game.

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                @Bones they've been like that from the moment they landed here. A slightly competent AR would make a dramatic difference to the quality of rugby on display.

                I suggest penalize them off the park in the first 10mins. Then both teams might have some room to play rugby.

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                • BonesB Bones

                  @Dan54 arms don't matter, can't target the knee.

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                  @Bones said in Wallabies v Lions I:

                  @Dan54 arms don't matter, can't target the knee.

                  Ok Bones, I genuinely didn't know you couldn't tackle around knees. I need to perhaps update my knowledge of what players can't do now.

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                  • DodgeD Dodge

                    @MiketheSnow said in Wallabies v Lions I:

                    Friends who went said it was a great evening with a tremendous atmosphere

                    Farrell totally vindicated with his selections of Beirne and Curry in the back row

                    Beirne got MOTM but I would have given it to Curry

                    Excellent, dominant first half from the Lions and should have kicked on to give the Wallabies a real pasting in the second half

                    But personnel changes gave the Aussies a sniff and they were like 50 year olds at the Oasis reunion gigs, didn’t need a second invitation to have a go

                    There is no way on God’s Green Earth that Earl had arms in that tackle

                    Should have been Penalty (possibly Penalty Try) and YC

                    12-24 with Earl in the bin from the 60th - 70th minutes is a very different game

                    Lowe, Keenan, and Freeman the only realistic changes for the second test

                    With possibly Morgan or Pollock on the bench instead of Earl

                    If Schmidt has his thinking cap on this week and the Italian ref wants to penalise the Lions offsides and repeated killing of the ball in their own 22 it could be a very interesting second match

                    Back three all had pretty average games which there’s no real excuse for when your forwards are that dominant.

                    As for the Earl tackle, surprised he got away with it but wouldn’t necessarily blame BOK, the TMO was categorical that there were arms in the tackle and it was fine, BOK checked on a number of occasions but was shut down.

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                    @Dodge said in Wallabies v Lions I:

                    @MiketheSnow said in Wallabies v Lions I:

                    Friends who went said it was a great evening with a tremendous atmosphere

                    Farrell totally vindicated with his selections of Beirne and Curry in the back row

                    Beirne got MOTM but I would have given it to Curry

                    Excellent, dominant first half from the Lions and should have kicked on to give the Wallabies a real pasting in the second half

                    But personnel changes gave the Aussies a sniff and they were like 50 year olds at the Oasis reunion gigs, didn’t need a second invitation to have a go

                    There is no way on God’s Green Earth that Earl had arms in that tackle

                    Should have been Penalty (possibly Penalty Try) and YC

                    12-24 with Earl in the bin from the 60th - 70th minutes is a very different game

                    Lowe, Keenan, and Freeman the only realistic changes for the second test

                    With possibly Morgan or Pollock on the bench instead of Earl

                    If Schmidt has his thinking cap on this week and the Italian ref wants to penalise the Lions offsides and repeated killing of the ball in their own 22 it could be a very interesting second match

                    Back three all had pretty average games which there’s no real excuse for when your forwards are that dominant.

                    As for the Earl tackle, surprised he got away with it but wouldn’t necessarily blame BOK, the TMO was categorical that there were arms in the tackle and it was fine, BOK checked on a number of occasions but was shut down.

                    That was my recollection but on watching again, when BoK goes to the TMO for checking the try, he says firstly that he wants to check for foul play by red in the lead up to the try AND states that he feels that there was an attempt to wrap using both arms. The TMO agreed with that.

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                    • BonesB Bones

                      @Dan54 arms don't matter, can't target the knee.

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                      @Bones said in Wallabies v Lions I:

                      @Dan54 arms don't matter, can't target the knee.

                      That makes sense although I couldn't see it anywhere in the laws. Mind you there are the laws and then there is interpretation of the laws. Is it specifically the knee or are you suggesting that below the knees is also illegal? If not that is a hell of a difficult margin to police accurately.

                      What I did find, although not on the World Rugby list of laws, was that if, in going for the chop tackle the tackler has one hand on the ground then it is illegal as he cannot be wrapping with both arms. Again makes sense. On that basis, Earl just about gets away with it.

                      I'm in the same camp as @Dan54 in that it looked wrong in real time but with slow-mo and different angles it just about cuts it.

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                      • CatograndeC Catogrande

                        @Dodge said in Wallabies v Lions I:

                        @MiketheSnow said in Wallabies v Lions I:

                        Friends who went said it was a great evening with a tremendous atmosphere

                        Farrell totally vindicated with his selections of Beirne and Curry in the back row

                        Beirne got MOTM but I would have given it to Curry

                        Excellent, dominant first half from the Lions and should have kicked on to give the Wallabies a real pasting in the second half

                        But personnel changes gave the Aussies a sniff and they were like 50 year olds at the Oasis reunion gigs, didn’t need a second invitation to have a go

                        There is no way on God’s Green Earth that Earl had arms in that tackle

                        Should have been Penalty (possibly Penalty Try) and YC

                        12-24 with Earl in the bin from the 60th - 70th minutes is a very different game

                        Lowe, Keenan, and Freeman the only realistic changes for the second test

                        With possibly Morgan or Pollock on the bench instead of Earl

                        If Schmidt has his thinking cap on this week and the Italian ref wants to penalise the Lions offsides and repeated killing of the ball in their own 22 it could be a very interesting second match

                        Back three all had pretty average games which there’s no real excuse for when your forwards are that dominant.

                        As for the Earl tackle, surprised he got away with it but wouldn’t necessarily blame BOK, the TMO was categorical that there were arms in the tackle and it was fine, BOK checked on a number of occasions but was shut down.

                        That was my recollection but on watching again, when BoK goes to the TMO for checking the try, he says firstly that he wants to check for foul play by red in the lead up to the try AND states that he feels that there was an attempt to wrap using both arms. The TMO agreed with that.

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                        @Catogrande said in Wallabies v Lions I:

                        @Dodge said in Wallabies v Lions I:

                        @MiketheSnow said in Wallabies v Lions I:

                        Friends who went said it was a great evening with a tremendous atmosphere

                        Farrell totally vindicated with his selections of Beirne and Curry in the back row

                        Beirne got MOTM but I would have given it to Curry

                        Excellent, dominant first half from the Lions and should have kicked on to give the Wallabies a real pasting in the second half

                        But personnel changes gave the Aussies a sniff and they were like 50 year olds at the Oasis reunion gigs, didn’t need a second invitation to have a go

                        There is no way on God’s Green Earth that Earl had arms in that tackle

                        Should have been Penalty (possibly Penalty Try) and YC

                        12-24 with Earl in the bin from the 60th - 70th minutes is a very different game

                        Lowe, Keenan, and Freeman the only realistic changes for the second test

                        With possibly Morgan or Pollock on the bench instead of Earl

                        If Schmidt has his thinking cap on this week and the Italian ref wants to penalise the Lions offsides and repeated killing of the ball in their own 22 it could be a very interesting second match

                        Back three all had pretty average games which there’s no real excuse for when your forwards are that dominant.

                        As for the Earl tackle, surprised he got away with it but wouldn’t necessarily blame BOK, the TMO was categorical that there were arms in the tackle and it was fine, BOK checked on a number of occasions but was shut down.

                        That was my recollection but on watching again, when BoK goes to the TMO for checking the try, he says firstly that he wants to check for foul play by red in the lead up to the try AND states that he feels that there was an attempt to wrap using both arms. The TMO agreed with that.

                        And even with slow mo they were both wrong IMHO

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                        • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

                          @Catogrande said in Wallabies v Lions I:

                          @Dodge said in Wallabies v Lions I:

                          @MiketheSnow said in Wallabies v Lions I:

                          Friends who went said it was a great evening with a tremendous atmosphere

                          Farrell totally vindicated with his selections of Beirne and Curry in the back row

                          Beirne got MOTM but I would have given it to Curry

                          Excellent, dominant first half from the Lions and should have kicked on to give the Wallabies a real pasting in the second half

                          But personnel changes gave the Aussies a sniff and they were like 50 year olds at the Oasis reunion gigs, didn’t need a second invitation to have a go

                          There is no way on God’s Green Earth that Earl had arms in that tackle

                          Should have been Penalty (possibly Penalty Try) and YC

                          12-24 with Earl in the bin from the 60th - 70th minutes is a very different game

                          Lowe, Keenan, and Freeman the only realistic changes for the second test

                          With possibly Morgan or Pollock on the bench instead of Earl

                          If Schmidt has his thinking cap on this week and the Italian ref wants to penalise the Lions offsides and repeated killing of the ball in their own 22 it could be a very interesting second match

                          Back three all had pretty average games which there’s no real excuse for when your forwards are that dominant.

                          As for the Earl tackle, surprised he got away with it but wouldn’t necessarily blame BOK, the TMO was categorical that there were arms in the tackle and it was fine, BOK checked on a number of occasions but was shut down.

                          That was my recollection but on watching again, when BoK goes to the TMO for checking the try, he says firstly that he wants to check for foul play by red in the lead up to the try AND states that he feels that there was an attempt to wrap using both arms. The TMO agreed with that.

                          And even with slow mo they were both wrong IMHO

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                          @MiketheSnow A very close call either way for sure.

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                            in the spirit of offside not being spotted, it is driving me nuts at the moment how refs seem to have stopped watching for people swimming up the side of a ruck and interfering with the 9 or slowing the ball down - happened numerous times in this game, obvs I notice the Wallabies more but would assume the Lions do it too.

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                              in the spirit of offside not being spotted, it is driving me nuts at the moment how refs seem to have stopped watching for people swimming up the side of a ruck and interfering with the 9 or slowing the ball down - happened numerous times in this game, obvs I notice the Wallabies more but would assume the Lions do it too.

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                              @Dodge said in Wallabies v Lions I:

                              in the spirit of offside not being spotted, it is driving me nuts at the moment how refs seem to have stopped watching for people swimming up the side of a ruck and interfering with the 9 or slowing the ball down - happened numerous times in this game, obvs I notice the Wallabies more but would assume the Lions do it too.

                              There are five refs now, it's amazing what is not spotted.

                              Just keep teams onside, stop coaching them. If they fuck up, penalise them. If they wait to be told, they achieved their goal of slowing it down.

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                                Saw an article praising Lions for pawing the ball, but making eye contact with ref as they did so. If he says ‘Leave it 7’ they let go with a flourish.
                                The correct action is a penalty against red.
                                Instead we get, ‘Thank you, seven’!
                                As Kirwan says, the second gained makes a huge difference. Itoje did it for years before he started to get pinged for it.

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                                  Saw an article praising Lions for pawing the ball, but making eye contact with ref as they did so. If he says ‘Leave it 7’ they let go with a flourish.
                                  The correct action is a penalty against red.
                                  Instead we get, ‘Thank you, seven’!
                                  As Kirwan says, the second gained makes a huge difference. Itoje did it for years before he started to get pinged for it.

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                                  @pakman said in Wallabies v Lions I:

                                  Instead we get, ‘Thank you, seven’!

                                  Or Angus Gardner: "Good Listen"

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                                    You would clean up the game in a month if the refs stopped coaching and starting penalising.

                                    It also rewards players that know the laws and back themselves to take a risk.

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                                      Game of two halves. The first half the Lions were dominant and the Wallabies were nervous. The second half was more even the Lions made more errors and the Wallabies played some decent stuff.

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                                        You would clean up the game in a month if the refs stopped coaching and starting penalising.

                                        It also rewards players that know the laws and back themselves to take a risk.

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                                        @Kirwan said in Wallabies v Lions I:

                                        You would clean up the game in a month if the refs stopped coaching and starting penalising.

                                        It also rewards players that know the laws and back themselves to take a risk.

                                        Probably in that month you would lose half your viewers too though. It's a no win, do you blow whistle every time there something slightly out (and against team we support too) or do you say get back on side. Even when I played 40 odd years ago the refs especially the good ones told you to stay onside, or get back etc.

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                                          @Kirwan said in Wallabies v Lions I:

                                          You would clean up the game in a month if the refs stopped coaching and starting penalising.

                                          It also rewards players that know the laws and back themselves to take a risk.

                                          Probably in that month you would lose half your viewers too though. It's a no win, do you blow whistle every time there something slightly out (and against team we support too) or do you say get back on side. Even when I played 40 odd years ago the refs especially the good ones told you to stay onside, or get back etc.

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                                          @Dan54 said in Wallabies v Lions I:

                                          @Kirwan said in Wallabies v Lions I:

                                          You would clean up the game in a month if the refs stopped coaching and starting penalising.

                                          It also rewards players that know the laws and back themselves to take a risk.

                                          Probably in that month you would lose half your viewers too though. It's a no win, do you blow whistle every time there something slightly out (and against team we support too) or do you say get back on side. Even when I played 40 odd years ago the refs especially the good ones told you to stay onside, or get back etc.

                                          The players would very quickly adapt and there would be more backline action.

                                          So more viewers?!

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