Black Caps in Zimbabwe
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This reminds me of the old days of the Black Caps. Top order is crap, but the tail gets us up to something respectable.
Surely our aim vs Zimbabwe is to only bat once. Certainly possible still, but we were 92 without, thus, it's a fairly ordinary day so far.
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O'Rourke was out in that second innings too, so it was just Henry and the spinners. (Mitchell too I guess). Described as 'stiffness' so hopefully precautionary and he'll be a go for the second match.
@Cyclops said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
O'Rourke was out in that second innings too, so it was just Henry and the spinners. (Mitchell too I guess). Described as 'stiffness' so hopefully precautionary and he'll be a go for the second match.
He's a Kiwi quick looking useful. It'll be a stress fracture.
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@Cyclops said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
O'Rourke was out in that second innings too, so it was just Henry and the spinners. (Mitchell too I guess). Described as 'stiffness' so hopefully precautionary and he'll be a go for the second match.
He's a Kiwi quick looking useful. It'll be a stress fracture.
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@Cyclops said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
O'Rourke was out in that second innings too, so it was just Henry and the spinners. (Mitchell too I guess). Described as 'stiffness' so hopefully precautionary and he'll be a go for the second match.
He's a Kiwi quick looking useful. It'll be a stress fracture.
We have pretty average form in terms of keeping our young quicks injury free
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@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@Cyclops said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
O'Rourke was out in that second innings too, so it was just Henry and the spinners. (Mitchell too I guess). Described as 'stiffness' so hopefully precautionary and he'll be a go for the second match.
He's a Kiwi quick looking useful. It'll be a stress fracture.
We have pretty average form in terms of keeping our young quicks injury free
@canefan said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@Cyclops said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
O'Rourke was out in that second innings too, so it was just Henry and the spinners. (Mitchell too I guess). Described as 'stiffness' so hopefully precautionary and he'll be a go for the second match.
He's a Kiwi quick looking useful. It'll be a stress fracture.
We have pretty average form in terms of keeping our young quicks injury free
We do. @Chris can probably give us an idea why. Training? Lack of match play? Or maybe, with our limited depth we notice it more.
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@canefan said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@Cyclops said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
O'Rourke was out in that second innings too, so it was just Henry and the spinners. (Mitchell too I guess). Described as 'stiffness' so hopefully precautionary and he'll be a go for the second match.
He's a Kiwi quick looking useful. It'll be a stress fracture.
We have pretty average form in terms of keeping our young quicks injury free
We do. @Chris can probably give us an idea why. Training? Lack of match play? Or maybe, with our limited depth we notice it more.
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@canefan said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@Cyclops said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
O'Rourke was out in that second innings too, so it was just Henry and the spinners. (Mitchell too I guess). Described as 'stiffness' so hopefully precautionary and he'll be a go for the second match.
He's a Kiwi quick looking useful. It'll be a stress fracture.
We have pretty average form in terms of keeping our young quicks injury free
We do. @Chris can probably give us an idea why. Training? Lack of match play? Or maybe, with our limited depth we notice it more.
Chris will have a lot more science to it. My two cents worth on the bowling injuries is I think you're right on the limited depth making it noticeable.
It may also be relatively less technical training when they're younger, as things like bowling loads are otherwise increasingly being discussed at slightly younger levels.
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@canefan said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@Cyclops said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
O'Rourke was out in that second innings too, so it was just Henry and the spinners. (Mitchell too I guess). Described as 'stiffness' so hopefully precautionary and he'll be a go for the second match.
He's a Kiwi quick looking useful. It'll be a stress fracture.
We have pretty average form in terms of keeping our young quicks injury free
We do. @Chris can probably give us an idea why. Training? Lack of match play? Or maybe, with our limited depth we notice it more.
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@canefan said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@Cyclops said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
O'Rourke was out in that second innings too, so it was just Henry and the spinners. (Mitchell too I guess). Described as 'stiffness' so hopefully precautionary and he'll be a go for the second match.
He's a Kiwi quick looking useful. It'll be a stress fracture.
We have pretty average form in terms of keeping our young quicks injury free
We do. @Chris can probably give us an idea why. Training? Lack of match play? Or maybe, with our limited depth we notice it more.
A tough one the pulling back of bowling loads was being used as a training tool,this seems to lead to more back problems.
In the QLD under age rep programs we are more building up loads safely to get the body stronger.It seems to be working with less problems developing,
You can not train for a marathon by doing sprint training is the thinking.You need a decent amount of load work to build strength.
I think NZ are still working on the less work theory.I also think NZ at under age level are not working enough on things like over rotation of hips and shoulders which leads to back problems and proper alignment when the player is young then you have less problems latter.
Some players with poor nutrition when young also leads to structural problems within the back.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@canefan said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@Cyclops said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
O'Rourke was out in that second innings too, so it was just Henry and the spinners. (Mitchell too I guess). Described as 'stiffness' so hopefully precautionary and he'll be a go for the second match.
He's a Kiwi quick looking useful. It'll be a stress fracture.
We have pretty average form in terms of keeping our young quicks injury free
We do. @Chris can probably give us an idea why. Training? Lack of match play? Or maybe, with our limited depth we notice it more.
A tough one the pulling back of bowling loads was being used as a training tool,this seems to lead to more back problems.
In the QLD under age rep programs we are more building up loads safely to get the body stronger.It seems to be working with less problems developing,
You can not train for a marathon by doing sprint training is the thinking.You need a decent amount of load work to build strength.
I think NZ are still working on the less work theory.I also think NZ at under age level are not working enough on things like over rotation of hips and shoulders which leads to back problems and proper alignment when the player is young then you have less problems latter.
Some players with poor nutrition when young also leads to structural problems within the back.
@Chris Out of curiosity, what's the turnover of age grade coaches in the Queensland setup like?
I've only seen a very small glimpse of the ND system, but there seems to be a lot of staff turnover - and perhaps not always consistency for individual players as a result.
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@Chris Out of curiosity, what's the turnover of age grade coaches in the Queensland setup like?
I've only seen a very small glimpse of the ND system, but there seems to be a lot of staff turnover - and perhaps not always consistency for individual players as a result.
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@Chris Out of curiosity, what's the turnover of age grade coaches in the Queensland setup like?
I've only seen a very small glimpse of the ND system, but there seems to be a lot of staff turnover - and perhaps not always consistency for individual players as a result.
It has been consistent over the last 10 years
The core group of about 5 are still here.
We utilise a lot of Qld bulls and Australian players especially in the off season due to the weather and facilities at the high performance centre the Australian team trains a lot up here. -
I see Brendon Taylor is making a comeback for Zimbabwe in the 2nd test. It's a shame that Zimbabwe had so many political problems as they have some decent middle order bats who have sadly had to wait until their mid to late 30s before playing interational cricket regularly (Williams, Ervine and Raza come to mind along with Taylor).
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@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@canefan said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@Cyclops said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
O'Rourke was out in that second innings too, so it was just Henry and the spinners. (Mitchell too I guess). Described as 'stiffness' so hopefully precautionary and he'll be a go for the second match.
He's a Kiwi quick looking useful. It'll be a stress fracture.
We have pretty average form in terms of keeping our young quicks injury free
We do. @Chris can probably give us an idea why. Training? Lack of match play? Or maybe, with our limited depth we notice it more.
A tough one the pulling back of bowling loads was being used as a training tool,this seems to lead to more back problems.
In the QLD under age rep programs we are more building up loads safely to get the body stronger.It seems to be working with less problems developing,
You can not train for a marathon by doing sprint training is the thinking.You need a decent amount of load work to build strength.
I think NZ are still working on the less work theory.I also think NZ at under age level are not working enough on things like over rotation of hips and shoulders which leads to back problems and proper alignment when the player is young then you have less problems latter.
Some players with poor nutrition when young also leads to structural problems within the back.
@Chris said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@canefan said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
@Cyclops said in Black Caps in Zimbabwe:
O'Rourke was out in that second innings too, so it was just Henry and the spinners. (Mitchell too I guess). Described as 'stiffness' so hopefully precautionary and he'll be a go for the second match.
He's a Kiwi quick looking useful. It'll be a stress fracture.
We have pretty average form in terms of keeping our young quicks injury free
We do. @Chris can probably give us an idea why. Training? Lack of match play? Or maybe, with our limited depth we notice it more.
A tough one the pulling back of bowling loads was being used as a training tool,this seems to lead to more back problems.
In the QLD under age rep programs we are more building up loads safely to get the body stronger.It seems to be working with less problems developing,
You can not train for a marathon by doing sprint training is the thinking.You need a decent amount of load work to build strength.
I think NZ are still working on the less work theory.I also think NZ at under age level are not working enough on things like over rotation of hips and shoulders which leads to back problems and proper alignment when the player is young then you have less problems latter.
Some players with poor nutrition when young also leads to structural problems within the back.
Different era of course but I don’t remember the Windies quicks aside from Ian Bishop ever having injury problems. They just rolled in and decimated teams. If one had an off day the other three generally did the business…..and Bishop himself still took 161 at 24.27. Amazing stats.
Dennis Lillee was a notable one who came back from injury though, can someone give Kyle Jamieson a copy of his book ?
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Michael Holding was a somewhat early retirement with injuries. The Windies also weren't renowned for rushing through their overs in that era - smart on their part tho. We still bowled a few into the ground/had bad luck with injuries even then, us being us... Brendon Bracewell among others springs to mind.
Lets hope O'Rourke isn't joining a long list....
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Second Test Match underway. Three debutants in Duffy, Fisher & Foulkes for NZ
When was the last time NZ had 3 players debut in a test match?
