Grumpy Old Man
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@MN5 said in Grumpy Old Man:
Speaking of music.......
I love it probably more than most on here but fuck me, do we need to have it blaring every time there's a sign of a break during a test match ?
Shit, some of the songs were bangers too but geez it grates after a short while. It must piss the players off.
"Why does love do this to me?" and "Hey Baby ( ooo ah ), I wanna know if you'll be my girl" should both be put on some sort of banned list punishable by death to whoever plays them.
Your best post ever.
I've seen this music absolutely destroy crowd vibe
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@Bones said in Grumpy Old Man:
Exercises in indulgence.
Phil Collins doing In The Air Tonight without drums at Live Aid.
Yusuf doing a shithouse church band, gospel version of Peace Train at BST Hyde Park.
Neil Young going through every poorly known cult fan hit excluding actual chart hits at BST Hyde Park.
Fuck them
Just to round it off. Do they know it's Christmas? Considering half the fluffybunnies don't buy into it, prolly not eh. Fascist fucks.
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I missed the Tech Grumping back in May, but I'm here to tell you: fuck the whole concept of "AI" being sold to Management Numpties at the moment.
Talk about Fool's Gold. We're on Google and so it is being hammered through everything at the moment and it is a real Emperor-Has-No-Clothes situation.
For the last few years I've been working on data feeds to produce reports for our teams managing field staff. This is real never-seen-before stuff in this area of the business, and they couldn't praise us enough at the time.
About 8 months ago, suddenly the dashboards that saved them literal hours per day weren't quick enough any more.
They wanted "insights" which was a conversation that usually went like this:
They: "So this is great how you've brought together dozens of data points, from multiple platforms, to look at the info in a way we never had in timeframes we could never achieve in our own."
Us: "Yeah cool we're pretty happy with wh-"
They: "But we need you to deliver some insights on this"
Us: "... right... insights on what?"
They: "You know... The data... ?"
Us: "Yes but what is it you need to know? What is the problem you're trying to solve?"
They: "Running the business better and more efficiently and meeting budgets. We need insights for that"
Us: "
"
They: "... insights?"
Us: "
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They: "Can we just feed it into AI and get the answers we need?"
Me (internally screaming) : So you don't want to do your fucking job or don't know how? -
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@nzzp said in Grumpy Old Man:
@NTA AI is the new blockchain.
Except that it's qctually quite useful in a bunch of mundane, low level shit.
And that's where we are right now. "Hello world!" in any language you want to start with. I'm sure it'll get better, but it has a fatal flaw: humans.
Most of the data I deal with is fouled by humans; they fuck with data and structures in ways an AI can't yet cater for, so you need humans to clean that shit up first.
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@NTA said in Grumpy Old Man:
I missed the Tech Grumping back in May, but I'm here to tell you: fuck the whole concept of "AI" being sold to Management Numpties at the moment.
Talk about Fool's Gold. We're on Google and so it is being hammered through everything at the moment and it is a real Emperor-Has-No-Clothes situation.
For the last few years I've been working on data feeds to produce reports for our teams managing field staff. This is real never-seen-before stuff in this area of the business, and they couldn't praise us enough at the time.
About 8 months ago, suddenly the dashboards that saved them literal hours per day weren't quick enough any more.
They wanted "insights" which was a conversation that usually went like this:
They: "So this is great how you've brought together dozens of data points, from multiple platforms, to look at the info in a way we never had in timeframes we could never achieve in our own."
Us: "Yeah cool we're pretty happy with wh-"
They: "But we need you to deliver some insights on this"
Us: "... right... insights on what?"
They: "You know... The data... ?"
Us: "Yes but what is it you need to know? What is the problem you're trying to solve?"
They: "Running the business better and more efficiently and meeting budgets. We need insights for that"
Us: " "
They: "... insights?"
Us: " "
They: "Can we just feed it into AI and get the answers we need?"
Me (internally screaming) : So you don't want to do your fucking job or don't know how?Out of interest, why did you not say the last sentence (in a more polite manner)? It's a perfectly reasonable conclusion. We have a massive tech team supporting our main business and they never say anything outside their tech world. It winds me up. We have literal geniuses working for us who never apply their brains outside their direct scope. I'd be really interested in a debate on their thoughts on things, but it never happens.
Other thing to consider Nick, is if the data is telling them what they think already, or something else. I say that as I did something simliar a few years ago when Big Data was all the rave. It turned out that the big boss wanted the data to prove to him what he already knew. When that wasn't the case, well you can figure out what happened.
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@NTA said in Grumpy Old Man:
I missed the Tech Grumping back in May, but I'm here to tell you: fuck the whole concept of "AI" being sold to Management Numpties at the moment.
Talk about Fool's Gold. We're on Google and so it is being hammered through everything at the moment and it is a real Emperor-Has-No-Clothes situation.
For the last few years I've been working on data feeds to produce reports for our teams managing field staff. This is real never-seen-before stuff in this area of the business, and they couldn't praise us enough at the time.
About 8 months ago, suddenly the dashboards that saved them literal hours per day weren't quick enough any more.
They wanted "insights" which was a conversation that usually went like this:
They: "So this is great how you've brought together dozens of data points, from multiple platforms, to look at the info in a way we never had in timeframes we could never achieve in our own."
Us: "Yeah cool we're pretty happy with wh-"
They: "But we need you to deliver some insights on this"
Us: "... right... insights on what?"
They: "You know... The data... ?"
Us: "Yes but what is it you need to know? What is the problem you're trying to solve?"
They: "Running the business better and more efficiently and meeting budgets. We need insights for that"
Us: " "
They: "... insights?"
Us: " "
They: "Can we just feed it into AI and get the answers we need?"
Me (internally screaming) : So you don't want to do your fucking job or don't know how?I'm sure they probably believe if you create a chatbot pointed to a store of all company data they'll be able to ask it questions and get answers that make them look like geniuses in their weekly management calls.
Build it and let them stake their careers on not presenting an idea tainted by hallucination...
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@MajorRage said in Grumpy Old Man:
@NTA said in Grumpy Old Man:
Me (internally screaming) : So you don't want to do your fucking job or don't know how?
Out of interest, why did you not say the last sentence (in a more polite manner)? It's a perfectly reasonable conclusion. We have a massive tech team supporting our main business and they never say anything outside their tech world. It winds me up. We have literal geniuses working for us who never apply their brains outside their direct scope. I'd be really interested in a debate on their thoughts on things, but it never happens.
From my personal experience: the silly fluffybunnies don't like being told what to do.
Particularly when you give them the best information up front; they hate that. They want to look at ALL the data, and draw their own conclusions, which invariably fall into one of two camps: utterly wrong, or in agreement with your initial conclusion, but slower.
They need to be "tucked in" and reassured that they know best in a "just give me the data, nerd - I'm the smart one" kind of way.
I'm going to blow my own trumpet here and state for the record that I'm a pretty smart cookie. I get to grips with new topics and concepts at work fairly quickly, and because I'm in the data up to my tits, I generally see things coming long before the business peeps have even had time to load up PowerPoint.
So, in fact, I could be making them more efficient than they are already, but I just have to re-work it regardless of how right I am.
Other thing to consider Nick, is if the data is telling them what they think already, or something else. I say that as I did something simliar a few years ago when Big Data was all the rave. It turned out that the big boss wanted the data to prove to him what he already knew. When that wasn't the case, well you can figure out what happened.
That's a good point - as I said above: they don't like being shown they're wrong. We have a "Download" option on all our dashboards, which is merry hell once they turn it into a spreadsheet and start charting it for themselves.
I say with almost 100% certainty that, should we end up providing "insights" to them, they will say "nah not that" until we give them something they agree with. Like the trope about asking your significant other what they want for dinner.
Your team probably feel the same - tho as a disclaimer: in many cases IT people don't have the human communication skills to put stuff together in a suitable manner for corporate manager types. Chalk and cheese.
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@NTA said in Grumpy Old Man:
I'm going to blow my own trumpet here and state for the record that I'm a pretty smart cookie.
Kinda related - I heard an argument for the first time the other day - suggesting meritocracy was 'bad', or rather "not as good as one would assume".
It was from a fairly smart guy, and in my intoxicated state... it made a little bit of sense. Which annoyed me. -
@Kruse said in Grumpy Old Man:
@NTA said in Grumpy Old Man:
I'm going to blow my own trumpet here and state for the record that I'm a pretty smart cookie.
Kinda related - I heard an argument for the first time the other day - suggesting meritocracy was 'bad', or rather "not as good as one would assume".
It was from a fairly smart guy, and in my intoxicated state... it made a little bit of sense. Which annoyed me.Started to come across this just before I stopped work. Down to people starting to believe success comes not from hard work and talent but luck. Some CEO probably someone read a Harvard Business Review without thinking and it went viral
Why anyone would employ/promote someone on the basis they hadn't been "lucky" - rather that talent/potential - is fucking beyond me.
