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All Blacks v Argentina II

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  • antipodeanA antipodean

    @ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    @antipodean I don't disagree but I can't see Savea being subbed off or starting on the bench any time soon.

    Unfortunately neither can I, and the All Blacks are the worse for it.

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    @antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    @ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    @antipodean I don't disagree but I can't see Savea being subbed off or starting on the bench any time soon.

    Unfortunately neither can I, and the All Blacks are the worse for it.

    What the fuck are U talking about. Ardie is world class. He has proved himself time after time for years . I would have Ardie, Wallace and Parker/Vaa’i from here on in. Please let ALB and Christie go away and not come back.

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    • menceyM mencey

      @antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

      @ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

      @antipodean I don't disagree but I can't see Savea being subbed off or starting on the bench any time soon.

      Unfortunately neither can I, and the All Blacks are the worse for it.

      What the fuck are U talking about. Ardie is world class. He has proved himself time after time for years . I would have Ardie, Wallace and Parker/Vaa’i from here on in. Please let ALB and Christie go away and not come back.

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      @mencey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

      @antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

      @ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

      @antipodean I don't disagree but I can't see Savea being subbed off or starting on the bench any time soon.

      Unfortunately neither can I, and the All Blacks are the worse for it.

      What the fuck are U talking about. Ardie is world class. He has proved himself time after time for years .

      At hitting rucks? Putting in a hard shoulder that turns into a dominant tackle others can driver through to win a turnover?

      Or are we talking about seagulling to carry a ball, often with defenders hanging off him with the resulting slow ruck clearance for the next phase? Chip kicks from 10m out of our own line? His abysmal defensive reads? His low effort in running back into the defensive line? His giving up metres in defence trying to scrag players to the deck in the hope he gets a turnover?

      He looks all the world a back that's been asked to play in the forwards.

      Or maybe I'm wrong and his highlight reel clearly puts me back in my box.

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      • menceyM mencey

        @antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

        @ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

        @antipodean I don't disagree but I can't see Savea being subbed off or starting on the bench any time soon.

        Unfortunately neither can I, and the All Blacks are the worse for it.

        What the fuck are U talking about. Ardie is world class. He has proved himself time after time for years . I would have Ardie, Wallace and Parker/Vaa’i from here on in. Please let ALB and Christie go away and not come back.

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        @mencey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

        Ardie is world class

        at one thing. He has serious flaws in other areas. And they actually hurt the team. And that is @antipodean 's point.

        I probably wouldn't dump him but you have to be very careful who you partner him with.

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          Is Christie being dropped?

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          • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

            @mencey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

            Ardie is world class

            at one thing. He has serious flaws in other areas. And they actually hurt the team. And that is @antipodean 's point.

            I probably wouldn't dump him but you have to be very careful who you partner him with.

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            @mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

            @mencey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

            Ardie is world class

            at one thing. He has serious flaws in other areas. And they actually hurt the team. And that is @antipodean 's point.

            I probably wouldn't dump him but you have to be very careful who you partner him with.

            I wouldn't dump him given his undoubted talents, but he'd be on the bench ready to wreak havoc after the big nasties have softened and exhausted their opponents.

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              I'm not sure anyone here wants him dumped. Some want him on the bench. Most want him at 7.

              90% of us just want him paired with the right partners (i.e. dudes who like to hit rucks effectively)

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                Thinking ahead to the Boks, going to need a big physical bench, but equally they will want some experience.

                Expecting to see Sititi in for Kirifi, with Savea back to 7, but the makeup of the bench is fascinating.

                Parker and Lakai would be my pick for this week, but that is awfully green for the Boks.

                The alternatives are Kirifi & Finau. Not sure they fill me with a lot of confidence.

                For me, let Parker loose this week, and then all going well he lines up to come on for the last 20 for one of the locks, with Vaa’i shifting to lock, and Jacobson is there to replace Sititi for the closing stages.

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                • antipodeanA antipodean

                  @mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                  @mencey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                  Ardie is world class

                  at one thing. He has serious flaws in other areas. And they actually hurt the team. And that is @antipodean 's point.

                  I probably wouldn't dump him but you have to be very careful who you partner him with.

                  I wouldn't dump him given his undoubted talents, but he'd be on the bench ready to wreak havoc after the big nasties have softened and exhausted their opponents.

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                  @antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                  @mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                  @mencey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                  Ardie is world class

                  at one thing. He has serious flaws in other areas. And they actually hurt the team. And that is @antipodean 's point.

                  I probably wouldn't dump him but you have to be very careful who you partner him with.

                  I wouldn't dump him given his undoubted talents, but he'd be on the bench ready to wreak havoc after the big nasties have softened and exhausted their opponents.

                  I've long wanted Savea on the bench as impact. A Savea - Sititi one-two punch at 8 would cause teams a lot of problems. Either of them coming off the bench for 30 to wreck havoc would be fun to watch.

                  For mine, I'd like our loosies to be:
                  6 - Vaa'i, Finau
                  7 - Dalton, Lakai
                  8 - Savea, Sititi

                  I don't really like Savea at 7 in the modern game, your 7 needs to do a lot more tackling and be a physical presence at the ruck, which Savea is not. 8 has always suited his skillset a lot better as it's easier to utilise his running game, just need to pair him with a couple of blokes that enjoy the dirty work and win the collisions more often.

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                    It might have been mentioned but I wouldn't be surprised if Taylor is rested for this game so he can play his 100th test in NZ.

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                    • BovidaeB Bovidae

                      It might have been mentioned but I wouldn't be surprised if Taylor is rested for this game so he can play his 100th test in NZ.

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                      @Bovidae said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                      It might have been mentioned but I wouldn't be surprised if Taylor is rested for this game so he can play his 100th test in NZ.

                      Is that something that's happened before - resting a player so they can reach a milestone at a particular location?

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                      • ShaquilleOatmealS ShaquilleOatmeal

                        @Bovidae said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                        It might have been mentioned but I wouldn't be surprised if Taylor is rested for this game so he can play his 100th test in NZ.

                        Is that something that's happened before - resting a player so they can reach a milestone at a particular location?

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                        @ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                        @Bovidae said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                        It might have been mentioned but I wouldn't be surprised if Taylor is rested for this game so he can play his 100th test in NZ.

                        Is that something that's happened before - resting a player so they can reach a milestone at a particular location?

                        Cheaper than flying all the family to Arg.

                        Savea is on track to play his 100th test at Eden Park too.

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                          Is Christie being dropped?

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                          @SBW1 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                          Is Christie being dropped?

                          From a great height

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                            Tupaea is the obvious replacement for ALB.
                            Big Jim hasn't earned anything internationally except a couple of nicknames

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                              CLW has done very little wrong, pretty sure he is next cab off the rank should there be anymore injuries.

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                                Tupaea is the obvious replacement for ALB.
                                Big Jim hasn't earned anything internationally except a couple of nicknames

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                                @Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                Tupaea is the obvious replacement for ALB.
                                Big Jim hasn't earned anything internationally except a couple of nicknames

                                Yep and ir you talking about Tavatavanawai, his nic is Jim the Difference, DMac has always been Big Jim, :face_with_tears_of_joy:

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                                  @Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                  Tupaea is the obvious replacement for ALB.
                                  Big Jim hasn't earned anything internationally except a couple of nicknames

                                  Yep and ir you talking about Tavatavanawai, his nic is Jim the Difference, DMac has always been Big Jim, :face_with_tears_of_joy:

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                                  @Dan54 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                  @Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                  Tupaea is the obvious replacement for ALB.
                                  Big Jim hasn't earned anything internationally except a couple of nicknames

                                  Yep and ir you talking about Tavatavanawai, his nic is Jim the Difference, DMac has always been Big Jim, :face_with_tears_of_joy:

                                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350230380/highlanders-bulldozer-timoci-tavatavanawai-reveals-test-goal

                                  The powerful 26-year-old known as Big Jim spent two fruitful years with Moana Pasifika, putting fear into the hearts of Super Rugby defenders with his robust running style.

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                                  • Dan54D Dan54

                                    @Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    Tupaea is the obvious replacement for ALB.
                                    Big Jim hasn't earned anything internationally except a couple of nicknames

                                    Yep and ir you talking about Tavatavanawai, his nic is Jim the Difference, DMac has always been Big Jim, :face_with_tears_of_joy:

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                                    @Dan54 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    @Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                    Tupaea is the obvious replacement for ALB.
                                    Big Jim hasn't earned anything internationally except a couple of nicknames

                                    Yep and ir you talking about Tavatavanawai, his nic is Jim the Difference, DMac has always been Big Jim, :face_with_tears_of_joy:

                                    Isn't DMac, DMac?

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                                    • canefanC canefan

                                      @Dan54 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                      @Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                      Tupaea is the obvious replacement for ALB.
                                      Big Jim hasn't earned anything internationally except a couple of nicknames

                                      Yep and ir you talking about Tavatavanawai, his nic is Jim the Difference, DMac has always been Big Jim, :face_with_tears_of_joy:

                                      Isn't DMac, DMac?

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                                      @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                      Isn't DMac, DMac?

                                      Only to fans. The nicknames I've heard players/coaches use are Damo and Slim.

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                                      • canefanC canefan

                                        @Dan54 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                        @Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                        Tupaea is the obvious replacement for ALB.
                                        Big Jim hasn't earned anything internationally except a couple of nicknames

                                        Yep and ir you talking about Tavatavanawai, his nic is Jim the Difference, DMac has always been Big Jim, :face_with_tears_of_joy:

                                        Isn't DMac, DMac?

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                                        @canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                        @Dan54 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                        @Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

                                        Tupaea is the obvious replacement for ALB.
                                        Big Jim hasn't earned anything internationally except a couple of nicknames

                                        Yep and ir you talking about Tavatavanawai, his nic is Jim the Difference, DMac has always been Big Jim, :face_with_tears_of_joy:

                                        Isn't DMac, DMac?

                                        Anyone who has watched NZ rugby for more than a year or so should know that DMac's nic was always Big Jim, it's what players used to call him in interviews etc. I think it a Chiefs one for quite sometime. I have never heard Tavatanawai called Big Jim, but we see it on net , but comes from hiw nic at Ta$man where he was Jim the Difference. I know that's why some called him Big Jim, because it was easier etc and probably just changed from the Ta$man one. (and I called him Big Jim by mistake on an Auusie rugby site, and Aussies all jumped on me reminding me who the original Big Jim is)

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                                          i feel like im being gas lit, ive never heard DMac called Jim/big jim....but Tavatavanawai had a thing on the Highlanders socials when he was named captain saying Jim/Big Jim was his nickname

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