All Blacks v Argentina II
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Excited to see what Parker can do. Like this loose trio balance a lot more than last weekends.
We are going from one extreme (small loosies) to the other (big loosies and as many locks you can fit into the 23). Obviously, this looks like a dummy run for how to tackle SA. The reserves could be better.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
The coaches have their biggest stretches of tests coming up with Boks and Wallabies at Eden Park in the same month
ABs are down 2 halfbacks and Christie is experienced
It's not that hard to understand
The only thing Christie is experienced at is not being good enough for test rugby.
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@Bovidae are you talking a position specifically, as to me, that bench looks good and will hopefully be able to provide a positive impact
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Surely NZ has a better fourth choice halfback option than Christie? What about Fakatava? And why the lack of imagination or willingness to at least roll the dice a little with the backs overall? Something badly wrong with the coaching set up
Not sure he would be any better than Christie.
I doubt he could be worse. He seems to have turned the corner on the dumbest shit of his play and the upsides remain.
If you structure your game around quick rucks to get behind a defence and keep them retiring until you can exploit it, Christie's play is anathematic to that.
Experienced or not, I can't think of a selection that is more geared towards self sabotage.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai,
Pick one.
We've finally turned the corner and are selecting big bodies . There's only room for one midget in the forwards at a time.
I’m picking both. Big loosies to start the match, mobile loosies to finish when the game opens up.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai,
Pick one.
We've finally turned the corner and are selecting big bodies . There's only room for one midget in the forwards at a time.
I’m picking both. Big loosies to start the match, mobile loosies to finish.
I suspect that thinking is how we were uncharacteristically losing the second half of games.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bovidae are you talking a position specifically, as to me, that bench looks good and will hopefully be able to provide a positive impact
I can understand the selection of Lord but as others have said he is not a like-for-like replacement for PT. Lakai on the bench would have made more sense to me, but how they use their subs might mean Savea stays at 7 all game and Sititi comes on at 8.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai,
Pick one.
We've finally turned the corner and are selecting big bodies . There's only room for one midget in the forwards at a time.
I’m picking both. Big loosies to start the match, mobile loosies to finish.
I suspect that thinking is how we were uncharacteristically losing the second half of games.
So you’d prefer slower loosies on the park in the last twenty instead of x-factor when the game opens up?
I think the issue is our loosie mix hasn’t been right from kick-off for years so we’ve had guys on the bench that weren’t impactful. Aside from Savea, there wouldn’t be more impactful loosies in NZ right now than Sititi and Lakai in terms of x-factor.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai,
Pick one.
We've finally turned the corner and are selecting big bodies . There's only room for one midget in the forwards at a time.
I’m picking both. Big loosies to start the match, mobile loosies to finish.
I suspect that thinking is how we were uncharacteristically losing the second half of games.
So you’d prefer slower loosies on the park in the last twenty instead of x-factor when the game opens up?
I think the issue is our loosie mix hasn’t been right from kick-off for years so we’ve had guys on the bench that weren’t impactful. Aside from Savea, there wouldn’t be more impactful loosies in NZ right now than Sititi and Lakai in terms of x-factor.
The premise being x-factor is impact? A loose forward that carried 170 times in SR but made only one line break isn't what I consider to be impactful. The stats say Kirifi was the more impactful player across the season.
Also this isn't the 2000s anymore. Our opposition are fitter than they used to be. And with better depth to select from their bench isn't a marked drop. You combine that with the slow, interrupted play, stacked benches and in tight games that's not the time for "mobility" over "dominance". You still need that physical ability to win collisions at Test level. And with Parker and Finau, we still possess that ability.
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I like it.
A functioning line out with tall bodies to throw to is a need and if we get in trouble there, bad things compound quickly. I would hope that the coaches have seen that at international and super level and decided that we need a minimum of three (preferably four) good targets with at least one absolute specialist at attacking opposition ball.
Although Lord may not be a power replacement for Pat T, he is a cracker at attacking opposition throws - probably 2nd best to PatT in the country. If we lost Holland in minute 1, I like the idea of a line out specialist coming on and I’m happy to trade that against the risk of an injury to a guaranteed 80 minute player (Ardie).
Edit: I also want them to commit to putting as many minutes into Vaii at 6 as they can. Don’t fuck around with getting him to cover lock right now.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai,
Pick one.
We've finally turned the corner and are selecting big bodies . There's only room for one midget in the forwards at a time.
I’m picking both. Big loosies to start the match, mobile loosies to finish.
I suspect that thinking is how we were uncharacteristically losing the second half of games.
So you’d prefer slower loosies on the park in the last twenty instead of x-factor when the game opens up?
I think the issue is our loosie mix hasn’t been right from kick-off for years so we’ve had guys on the bench that weren’t impactful. Aside from Savea, there wouldn’t be more impactful loosies in NZ right now than Sititi and Lakai in terms of x-factor.
The premise being x-factor is impact? A loose forward that carried 170 times in SR but made only one line break isn't what I consider to be impactful. The stats say Kirifi was the more impactful player across the season.
Also this isn't the 2000s anymore. Our opposition are fitter than they used to be. And with better depth to select from their bench isn't a marked drop. You combine that with the slow, interrupted play, stacked benches and in tight games that's not the time for "mobility" over "dominance". You still need that physical ability to win collisions at Test level. And with Parker and Finau, we still possess that ability.
Totally in line with your post, except for Finau I hope I get proved wrong there as we need big bodies,The game has changed we can not runs teams off their feet any longer, we need big powefful munters to stay in the contest for the whole 80 minutes.
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- 4 quality lineout jumpers
- good height and quality of lifters
- rock-solid hooker playing his 100th test in the form of his life
So I am looking forward to seeing us keep the ball in play rather than kicking for touch. I fully expect BB to showcase his range of bombs and grubbers from all over the park, and I am even tipping a return of the much-loved but strangely absent crosskick...
- 4 quality lineout jumpers
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai,
Pick one.
We've finally turned the corner and are selecting big bodies . There's only room for one midget in the forwards at a time.
I’m picking both. Big loosies to start the match, mobile loosies to finish.
I suspect that thinking is how we were uncharacteristically losing the second half of games.
So you’d prefer slower loosies on the park in the last twenty instead of x-factor when the game opens up?
I think the issue is our loosie mix hasn’t been right from kick-off for years so we’ve had guys on the bench that weren’t impactful. Aside from Savea, there wouldn’t be more impactful loosies in NZ right now than Sititi and Lakai in terms of x-factor.
The premise being x-factor is impact? A loose forward that carried 170 times in SR but made only one line break isn't what I consider to be impactful. The stats say Kirifi was the more impactful player across the season.
Also this isn't the 2000s anymore. Our opposition are fitter than they used to be. And with better depth to select from their bench isn't a marked drop. You combine that with the slow, interrupted play, stacked benches and in tight games that's not the time for "mobility" over "dominance". You still need that physical ability to win collisions at Test level. And with Parker and Finau, we still possess that ability.
I acknowledge your point about the game changing and having to have dominance throughout the whole game but you kind of lost me when you decided to use Finau as your example.
You need to have players late in the game that can offer both x-factor and still have the ability to dominate. Sititi and Lakai can definitely be those players for us going forward.
We can debate this to the hill but at the end of the day the ABs need to find the right balance in terms of dominating our opposition physically but also using our x-factor and skill to finish off games, at the end of the day that’s our DNA and something I hope the ABs can nail down this year compared to last.
I hope these selections pay off in the weekend and we start to see the ABs flourish.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Why has DMac become out of favour from the end of last year when he was playing well?
Shitting the bed in the Super Final probably didn’t help his cause.
Coming from someone who pumps up a heap of Hurricanes who actually shat the bed before getting near the final, against the mediocre Brumbies...
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Why has DMac become out of favour from the end of last year when he was playing well?
Shitting the bed in the Super Final probably didn’t help his cause.
Coming from someone who pumps up a heap of Hurricanes who actually shat the bed before getting near the final, against the mediocre Brumbies...
Someone’s touchy, the Canes losing doesn’t change the fact DMac shat the bed in the final.
So frustrating as well because I was hoping he would deliver this year and nail down that 10 starting jersey. We are all getting sick of Beauden kicking the pill away.
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I think the coaches are just trying to get the best out of BB and DMac. They see BB as a better starter and DMac providing more spark off the bench. I tend to agree with them. People need to move away from the idea that being on the bench means you are demoted. The bench has basically the most important role in the match - closing out the game. They obviously trust DMac to do that, and doing it at the 50 minute mark when he's still fresh compared to the other backs on the field can maximise his effectiveness.
