All Blacks v Springboks I
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Two weeks out, but thought I should get a match thread going.
Eden Park record on the line. Going to be tasty, but already a lot of nerves that the record could disappear. Would be a feather in the cap of Rassie if he gets that - Lions, RWCx2 and then breaking the record.
Expectation: smooth brain commentary from rugby media about 'learnings' and 'hurt' and shit like that.
Unless ABs can find a way to execute core skills consistently with the right mindset we could get smacked.
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Going to be interesting to see the response.
In the old days of Ted and early Hansen you almost welcomed a disappointing performance before a big game because it tended to act as a wake up call . Hopefully we get that but it feels different.
I guess the boks haven’t exactly been consistent either so that’s something of a positive.
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After the All Blacks appalling performance against Argentina, South Africa should be massive favourite for this game. The Eden Park record probably is going to go.
Here's hoping the All Blacks show some pride and at least go down with a fight and the backs make more than one solidarity line break.
At the moment, I'd settle for us avoiding a humiliating mauling.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
We are playing so much worse than the sum of our parts.
Isn't the Head Coach the guy who pulls it all together off the field?
And the First Five the guy who ensure all the backline are aligned and functioning?
And the Captain leads the team on the field and ensures everyone is working for each other?
None of those three delivered anything like well enough this weekend. None.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
We are playing so much worse than the sum of our parts. If we could just play with a little more intelligence, cohesion, and some more aggression we could do okay. Oh and catch some high balls
Therein lies the problem.
Like the worst days of Fozzie. This side is a pale imitation of what it should be with the players available.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
We are playing so much worse than the sum of our parts. If we could just play with a little more intelligence, cohesion, and some more aggression we could do okay. Oh and catch some high balls
Therein lies the problem.
Like the worst days of Fozzie. This side is a pale imitation of what it should be with the players available.
Maybe it isn't all down to the coaching staff and there's other, deeper factors involved which have surfaced in the last 8-10 years?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
We are playing so much worse than the sum of our parts. If we could just play with a little more intelligence, cohesion, and some more aggression we could do okay. Oh and catch some high balls
Therein lies the problem.
Like the worst days of Fozzie. This side is a pale imitation of what it should be with the players available.
Maybe it isn't all down to the coaching staff and there's other, deeper factors involved which have surfaced in the last 8-10 years?
Exactly right. None of this is new. The current old heads need to go. Their attitude is cancerous
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
We are playing so much worse than the sum of our parts. If we could just play with a little more intelligence, cohesion, and some more aggression we could do okay. Oh and catch some high balls
Therein lies the problem.
Like the worst days of Fozzie. This side is a pale imitation of what it should be with the players available.
Maybe it isn't all down to the coaching staff and there's other, deeper factors involved which have surfaced in the last 8-10 years?
Both things can be true.
There are bigger issues at play than just the coaches
Some of these coaches look out of their depth.
Moor, Plumtree weren't up to it and were rightly punted.
Some of these coaches should be headed for the same treatment.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
We are playing so much worse than the sum of our parts. If we could just play with a little more intelligence, cohesion, and some more aggression we could do okay. Oh and catch some high balls
Therein lies the problem.
Like the worst days of Fozzie. This side is a pale imitation of what it should be with the players available.
Maybe it isn't all down to the coaching staff and there's other, deeper factors involved which have surfaced in the last 8-10 years?
Both things can be true.
There are bigger issues at play than just the coaches
Some of these coaches look out of their depth.
Moor, Plumtree weren't up to it and were rightly punted.
Some of these coaches should be headed for the same treatment.
Holland must be under pressure?
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As much as I'd like to see certain changes in the backline, I'm not expecting it to happen. Robertson seems like more of a motivator than coach - he leaves the coaching up to the other guys. At the Crusaders, with the majority of the side All Blacks, he could motivate the players to play to their ability and that'd do the job against a side with a handful of internationals. But when the playing field is even and the opposition is just as motivated, you need ruthless systems. Right now, the team doesn’t look like they have them.
The motivator vs coach idea also fits with the way he tries to be mates with the players and the cheesy “walk together” stuff, which is less like strategy and more like a way to keep them onside so he can fire them up. That might explain his reluctance to drop senior guys too. He sees the level they've played to in the past and thinks he can motivate them to play to that level. It works when you’ve got the best squad in the comp, but at test level sentiment can’t come before standards.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
As much as I'd like to see certain changes in the backline, I'm not expecting it to happen. Robertson seems like more of a motivator than coach - he leaves the coaching up to the other guys. At the Crusaders, with the majority of the side All Blacks, he could motivate the players to play to their ability and that'd do the job against a side with a handful of internationals. But when the playing field is even and the opposition is just as motivated, you need ruthless systems. Right now, the team doesn’t look like they have them.
The motivator vs coach idea also fits with the way he tries to be mates with the players and the cheesy “walk together” stuff, which is less like strategy and more like a way to keep them onside so he can fire them up. That might explain his reluctance to drop senior guys too. He sees the level they've played to in the past and thinks he can motivate them to play to that level. It works when you’ve got the best squad in the comp, but at test level sentiment can’t come before standards.
Ignores the fact that most of the crusaders he coached were home grown talent that he fostered and coached to all black standard. It’s absolute crap. He made them the best squad in the comp and frequently got a back line and forward pack to equal more than the sum of their parts. All those crusaders, particularly the last 2-3 championships were entirely Robertson coached players.
