All Blacks v Springboks I
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@OomPB said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
It's going to be make or break for the Springboks. Most of them will remember the previous test at Mount Smart. The All Blacks challenge will put some spring in that old age Springboks step.
It's going to be an absolute cracker. Both sides have dropped games they will think they should not have, so have plenty to prove already. Add the Eden Park record and the fact the Championship is very much on the line given results to date, she will be all on. There's not many sporting events I look forward to more than a test against the old foe.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
It's going to be an absolute cracker.
I hope so but based on the Argie game we have 2 weeks to learn to pass, catch and kick. Given that we seem to lack the ability to even learn the laws (or at least obey them) it seems unlikely that we will achieve even one of those.
On the upside the haka was quite good, and about the only time we showed any coordination at all.
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@Snowy said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
It's going to be an absolute cracker.
I hope so but based on the Argie game we have 2 weeks to learn to pass, catch and kick. Given that we seem to lack the ability to even learn the laws (or at least obey them) it seems unlikely that we will achieve even one of those.
On the upside the haka was quite good, and about the only time we showed any coordination at all.
Sounds like the Kiwis of old
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@jimmyb I guess what I struggle with is 'he created all these players and built a fantastic team' and 'the current players are shit but he won't drop them'. Feels like both shouldn't be true at the same time - if he is as good at developing players as claimed, surely he'd either coach these players to be better - or drop them.
I still sheet our issues back to Super getting too big, the quality plummetting and (in my opinion) not preparing players for Tests that well any more.
He needs to drop them. Should have happened last year. He hasn’t been brave enough with his selections. But every young player that’s come into the ABs set up and has received coaching, is looking that much better for it.
No one can tell me that DMac is literally uncoachable. He hasn’t improved a single facet of his game for 4 years. Ditto with B Barrett and Savea.
is or isn't?
4 years ago McKenzie was a sideways running fullback who relied entirely on his own evasive abilities. He's changed heaps in that time, turning into the best 10 in Super rugby. People talking about him and Barrett as if they are the same are just wrong. -
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@Snowy said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
I hope so but based on the Argie game we have 2 weeks to learn to pass, catch and kick. Given that we seem to lack the ability to even learn the laws (or at least obey them) it seems unlikely that we will achieve even one of those.
Well, maybe you've frozen some good backs and left them to chill downstairs?
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@jimmyb I guess what I struggle with is 'he created all these players and built a fantastic team' and 'the current players are shit but he won't drop them'. Feels like both shouldn't be true at the same time - if he is as good at developing players as claimed, surely he'd either coach these players to be better - or drop them.
I still sheet our issues back to Super getting too big, the quality plummetting and (in my opinion) not preparing players for Tests that well any more.
It is possible that he could select players with potential but others at Crusaders HQ would develop them - and he doesn't have those staff/that environment any more?
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Well, maybe you've frozen some good backs and left them to chill downstairs?
No I leave the good ones alone, but some of the current ones might get an "invitation" to the cellar the way they are going.
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@Snowy said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Well, maybe you've frozen some good backs and left them to chill downstairs?
No I leave the good ones alone, but some of the current ones might get an "invitation" to the cellar the way they are going.
Better to extend the invitation to the coaching team......
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Remember how good Jane, Dagg and Kahui were under the high ball?
We've really got no one even near that on a consistent basis.
Any Super level winger or fullback should have it spelled out pretty clearly that they don't get into the ABs unless their aerial game is top notch - both offensively and defensively. They should also all know how to kick it reasonably well. And if they haven't got it, learn it. Else we are permanent targets there.
And that goes for future wingers like Carter or Tangitau as well.
The ABs should have a national skills coach visiting Super level sides constantly training and assessing these skills and giving them new targets. Reporting directly to the AB coaches. If there is no improvement, they don't get into the ABs.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
As much as I'd like to see certain changes in the backline, I'm not expecting it to happen. Robertson seems like more of a motivator than coach - he leaves the coaching up to the other guys. At the Crusaders, with the majority of the side All Blacks, he could motivate the players to play to their ability and that'd do the job against a side with a handful of internationals. But when the playing field is even and the opposition is just as motivated, you need ruthless systems. Right now, the team doesn’t look like they have them.
The motivator vs coach idea also fits with the way he tries to be mates with the players and the cheesy “walk together” stuff, which is less like strategy and more like a way to keep them onside so he can fire them up. That might explain his reluctance to drop senior guys too. He sees the level they've played to in the past and thinks he can motivate them to play to that level. It works when you’ve got the best squad in the comp, but at test level sentiment can’t come before standards.
Robertson seems to be a vibes guy.
At the Crusdaers the squad was the squad and the faces were the same week to week.
You could move a Havili from 12 to 15 or 10 in a pinch or big Leicester to wing or centre as required.The team essentially picked itself, everyone was happy and on message and the talent got them over the line.
Now he has 5 Super Rugby teams to pick from........and he doesnt know what to do and hasnt got the heart to drop anyone.
Decision paralysis.
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Just digressing:
We all know the ABs haven't lost at Eden Park since 1994.
Two questions (ok 2 and a half), without Google:
- When did the Springboks last win at Eden Park?
- When did the the All Blacks last not win at Eden Park?
2a. Against who? What year?
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1937
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It was a draw against the Lions in 2017. The ABs also drew against the Springboks there in 1994.
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@Frank you mean like when Mike Cron did that?
Plenty of issues in our national game that are.clear to see, yet doesn't seem anyone addressing it or even concerned there is nothing being done to rectify it.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Frank you mean like when Mike Cron did that?
Plenty of issues in our national game that are.clear to see, yet doesn't seem anyone addressing it or even concerned there is nothing being done to rectify it.
Would have thought the likes of Spencer, Nonu, Jane, Carter, McCaw, Mealamu, Whitelock would all be guys that would be sought after to instill mindset, skills and training into this generation.
