Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
I will of course see this film with my kids as soon as it comes out. However, I am highly sceptical. The extra scenes for the Samurai dude make it even more likely that he's a pisstake (force sensitive samurai ffs) and I'm not looking forward to seeing Forrest "earnest shocked look" Whittaker.
I guess the bigger problem is that we'll see a host of characters who apparently played major roles in the rebellion but aren't even mentioned in the original series and (Samurai aside) are probably 100 times cooler.
Another important thing is that this is presumably taking place shortly before the events of ANH which would make Leia a pretty vital player. Is she even in this film?
Who knows? She might be in the end when they pass on the plans (I'm hoping for a young Tony Stark style CGI for that). Much more likely we'll see C3PO and R2D2, so they can keep up the record of being the only characters in all the Star Wars films.
The way the movie is being shown as a war movie genre, I'm half expecting most of the characters to end up dead. Also, the Rebellion was quite large, and we only followed a small part of it.
If they didn't cross paths with the main characters in the first three films, why should we seem them again?
You can be a major player and not be in the movies, after all the Emperor isn't in a New Hope at all and only in Empire Strikes back for a few minutes and that was only as a hologram. Excited that James Earl Jones is listed in the credits, also note that Leias adopted dad Bail Organa is there too. Alderaan looked like a lovely planet, shame they blew it up.
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I thought the plans got to Leia via Jimmy Smits. She was then trying to deliver them to Mon Mothma when intercepted by Vader.
The bit that has yet to be covered off is how Leia knows about Obi Wan. Did Organa tell her to go and get his help? Was she going to Alderaan or just passing by? Maybe diverting there when she realised they weren't going to make it to base without Vader catching them?
Vader really is a dumbfuck though unless he has had as many memory wipes as 3PO. Here they are above his home planet, where his mother is buried and he doesn't bother leading the chase after the plans himself.....
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@Crucial She knew of Obi Wan because he fought in the clone wars with her "father" Bail Organa didn't she? True about Vader, it's as if at time of writing the script Lucas had not decided the plot lines of SW1-3. Probable considering he may not have even expected the massive success of SW4 that launched an entire franchise
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@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Crucial She knew of Obi Wan because he fought in the clone wars with her "father" Bail Organa didn't she? True about Vader, it's as if at time of writing the script Lucas had not decided the plot lines of SW1-3. Probable considering he may not have even expected the massive success of SW4 that launched an entire franchise
Yes, poorly written on my part. I meant how did she know how to find him? He was in hiding.
Presumably Vader knew he was in hiding as there is no surprise when they see each other again, yet somehow we are meant to believe that the angry little shit Anakin wasn't looking for the guy that turned him into a machine.
(This is all asked with no knowledge of the Clone Wars series which, I believe sets a fair bit of canon now)
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
I will of course see this film with my kids as soon as it comes out. However, I am highly sceptical. The extra scenes for the Samurai dude make it even more likely that he's a pisstake (force sensitive samurai ffs) and I'm not looking forward to seeing Forrest "earnest shocked look" Whittaker.
I guess the bigger problem is that we'll see a host of characters who apparently played major roles in the rebellion but aren't even mentioned in the original series and (Samurai aside) are probably 100 times cooler.
Another important thing is that this is presumably taking place shortly before the events of ANH which would make Leia a pretty vital player. Is she even in this film?
Who knows? She might be in the end when they pass on the plans (I'm hoping for a young Tony Stark style CGI for that). Much more likely we'll see C3PO and R2D2, so they can keep up the record of being the only characters in all the Star Wars films.
The way the movie is being shown as a war movie genre, I'm half expecting most of the characters to end up dead. Also, the Rebellion was quite large, and we only followed a small part of it.
If they didn't cross paths with the main characters in the first three films, why should we seem them again?
I presume most of them die, and I hope DV carves the heart out of Mr Force Sensitive Miyagi. It would just be a little bit shit if some survive yet play no part in the most important and decisive battles of the war.
Love the look of the costumes though. Unlike the prequels this actually looks like SWs.
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Can I ask why everyone things that character is some kind of samurai? Is it because he looks asian?
Remember that much of the fighting styles in SW have come from eastern martial arts. New Hope itself was a meld of classic film styles from swashbucklers to spaghetti westerns to Seven Samurai. The original lightsaber fights looked more like Kendo than anything else and the costumes given to Jedi are very 'asian' looking. -
@Crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
I thought the plans got to Leia via Jimmy Smits. She was then trying to deliver them to Mon Mothma when intercepted by Vader.
The bit that has yet to be covered off is how Leia knows about Obi Wan. Did Organa tell her to go and get his help? Was she going to Alderaan or just passing by? Maybe diverting there when she realised they weren't going to make it to base without Vader catching them?
Vader really is a dumbfuck though unless he has had as many memory wipes as 3PO. Here they are above his home planet, where his mother is buried and he doesn't bother leading the chase after the plans himself.....
Organa got pretty close to OWK in Revenge of the Sith so that "plot hole" is easily taken care of, he would have said to Leia something along the lines of "Seek out Obi Wan, he'll have the knowledge you want...." but based on that logic why not seek out the even more powerful Yoda instead ?
Vader still had human emotions, perhaps going back to tattooine was too hard for him to handle although turning up in the black suit and dissecting Wattoo would have been very amusing.
There was some lazy writing on Lucas part for sure. I think the worst is when Luke leaves Yoda in ESB ( as an aside how long was he there ? days ? weeks ? months ? ) and force ghost Obi wan says " that boy is our last hope...." and Yoda says "No there is another...." I mean for fucks sake, Obi Wan was in the fucken delivery suite when Padme had the twins ! That and cryptic lines like "what I told you was true.....from a certain point of view" and "I don't seem to recall owning any droids" suggest the old fella lost his mind a bit towards the end.
New Movie ? pretty safe to assume most of not all the good guys bag it some way or another, just a case of how although I still believe some survive and go into hiding.
@Rancid-Schnitzel agree with what you say. Will be brilliant seeing the classic era with modern special effects ( but in saying that I still think a New hope was absolutely outstanding for it's time in that regard )
I've heard rumours Tarkin makes and appearance using CGI aka Arnie in the latest Terminator. That would be great if done right. Always loved his character and for someone with no special abilities whatsoever he held his own with Vader brilliantly.
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Other than him looking exactly like a Samurai?
I apologise in advance if it's racist to say that all Samurai look alike.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Other than him looking exactly like a Samurai?
I apologise in advance if it's racist to say that all Samurai look alike.
Missed the point. He is wearing clothing and fighting in a way similar to many SW characters that use hand held weapons. It is only his racial profile that has everyone calling him the 'samurai dude' and therefore declaring that his character sucks.
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@Crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Other than him looking exactly like a Samurai?
I apologise in advance if it's racist to say that all Samurai look alike.
Missed the point. He is wearing clothing and fighting in a way similar to many SW characters that use hand held weapons. It is only his racial profile that has everyone calling him the 'samurai dude' and therefore declaring that his character sucks.
When has a character ever taken on stormtroopers armed with some kind of stick? Unless the weapon is a lightsaber, the whole idea is shit.
So he looks exactly like a Samurai, is blind, force sensitive and uses a farking stick as a weapon. That equals shit.
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RS, you think everything post ESB is shit, I don't know why you even take an interest.
I'm no Samurai expert but I can't recall a staff being part of their armoury (or a bowcaster), so he wears a robe? So did Obi-Wan and his fighting style in NH looked just like Kendo (which I believe was part of Samurai training).
I just don't get what is supposedly shit about a force-sensitive monk that fights with a stick. He's kind of like Daredevil but with one long stick instead of two short ones.
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@Crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
RS, you think everything post ESB is shit, I don't know why you even take an interest.
I'm no Samurai expert but I can't recall a staff being part of their armoury (or a bowcaster), so he wears a robe? So did Obi-Wan and his fighting style in NH looked just like Kendo (which I believe was part of Samurai training).
I just don't get what is supposedly shit about a force-sensitive monk that fights with a stick. He's kind of like Daredevil but with one long stick instead of two short ones.
Wtf are you smoking Crucial? I've never once mentioned ESB, and for the record Return of the Jedi is probably my favourite film. And why the hell do you care if someone doesn't like the look of a particular character?
" I just don't get what is supposedly shit about a force-sensitive monk that fights with a stick. He's kind of like Daredevil but with one long stick instead of two short ones."
My bad. SW has been crying out for a character like that. Blind, force-sensitive monk that fights with a stick. How awesome is that! And kind of like Daredevil. What's not to like!
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Right. So the character is still a 'samurai' then?
By the way the Ewoks seemed to have no trouble taking on Stormtroopers with sticks and stones and that comes from a favourite episode of yours.
I don't care if you don't like the look of a character just pointing out that your stated reasons for doing so are stupid.
On a side note regarding stick fighting, I'm surprised no one has used Taiaha as a basis for a characters fighting style
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@Crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Right. So the character is still a 'samurai' then?
By the way the Ewoks seemed to have no trouble taking on Stormtroopers with sticks and stones and that comes from a favourite episode of yours.
I don't care if you don't like the look of a character just pointing out that your stated reasons for doing so are stupid.
On a side note regarding stick fighting, I'm surprised no one has used Taiaha as a basis for a characters fighting style.
Yes I'll continue to call him "Samurai dude" because he resembles a Samurai. I hope over time you'll learn to live with that.
So this guy is on par with the Ewoks now? Well that's a ringing endorsement. This guy is as cool as an.........Ewok.
Seriously, why on earth are you baiting up so much about this? Are you engaged to the actor or something?
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Umm yeah.
I'm only carrying the argument on because I asked a simple question and you can't concede that fact that you are calling him 'Samurai guy' because he looks asian.
I don't see anything about him that jars with the SW Universe at all. There are plenty of 'force sensitive' characters around (Leia and Maz Kanata as examples), the costume style fits in and using a stick looks to make sense in that he can look non threatening to his advantage.We've seen that Stormtroopers are just humanoids in armour that serves little purpose. Plenty of weak points in those outfits to exploit. What's the problem with using a stick then?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Other than him looking exactly like a Samurai?
I apologise in advance if it's racist to say that all Samurai look alike.
Missed the point. He is wearing clothing and fighting in a way similar to many SW characters that use hand held weapons. It is only his racial profile that has everyone calling him the 'samurai dude' and therefore declaring that his character sucks.
When has a character ever taken on stormtroopers armed with some kind of stick? Unless the weapon is a lightsaber, the whole idea is shit.
So he looks exactly like a Samurai, is blind, force sensitive and uses a farking stick as a weapon. That equals shit.
Rey?
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@Kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Other than him looking exactly like a Samurai?
I apologise in advance if it's racist to say that all Samurai look alike.
Missed the point. He is wearing clothing and fighting in a way similar to many SW characters that use hand held weapons. It is only his racial profile that has everyone calling him the 'samurai dude' and therefore declaring that his character sucks.
When has a character ever taken on stormtroopers armed with some kind of stick? Unless the weapon is a lightsaber, the whole idea is shit.
So he looks exactly like a Samurai, is blind, force sensitive and uses a farking stick as a weapon. That equals shit.
Rey?
Slam dunk of a comment there Kirwan ( would insert a good meme if I knew how to on the fern....)
Nerd alert time again but apparently the Emperors Royal guards ( guys in red who stand around looking menacing but in truth don't do shit ) use force pikes, ie sticks with lasers on the end, something like the magnaguards used in Revenge of the Sith ( the droids that hung around General Greivous ).
Surely it would be more effective if this bloke used one of those ?
