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All Blacks v Springboks I

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  • B brodean

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

    @brodean said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

    @Wurzel said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

    Speaking of Dagg and ex players not being critical of current ABs, evidently he’s not a Rieko fan… and wasn’t when they played together

    https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNzZXjXQrKw/?igsh=MXdhMTk1NWUzcW01aw==

    Finally someone says something. Thank heavens.

    The fact in a decade Rieko hasn't developed the skills to take the high ball or develop a kicking game says a lot.

    It also says a lot about these coaches.

    They talk about both sides of the ball but throw Rieko on the wing when presumably they know he struggles under the high ball. If they don't know - and if their plan was to play Rieko on the wing - then why weren't they using the pre AB squad naming camp in BOP and the French series trainings to really test out Rieko under the high ball.

    There are some things Rieko has improved on in his career - defensively he has gotten much better and his passing has improved compared to where it was when he first came on the scene.

    But it screams of Razor not having the sack to drop a guy that the NZR signed to a deal through to the 2027 RWC.

    He doesn't need a highball game at centre and he didn't need a kicking game with Havili and JB being his main two partners.

    He didn't move to centre until 2020 - where was the development of a high ball game in 2018 or 2019 following his breakout 2017 season? Where is any evidence he has worked on his high ball game in the last 2 months ? As I state above - this is also on the coaches when switching him back to wing this year - they've switched a guy back there who doesn't have high ball skills and their plan is to have Will Jordan covering it.

    As for a kicking game this also would have been beneficial to him as a winger before he switched to midfield - Rieko would often be in the back field as cover with no kicking option to go to or not have a kick ahead option when the opportinity arose when he was put into space - not to mention another kicking option in the backline would always be an asset to his team and a string to his bow. Effectively it would have made him less one dimensional. Nonu didn't 'need' a kicking game either but he developed an excellent one over time. Heck even at a franchise level Lam in his first proper season at 12 this year displayed development of a kicking game.

    Nonu played at 12 where a kicking game is required

    Conrad Smith kicked very rarely.

    Rieko Ioane has only had one full season on the wing for the Blues where the players develop their skills. The great majority of his Blues career was spent in the midfield and at center when the team went from chronic cellar dwellers to winning a SRT title, an SRP title and multiple semi finals.

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    @brodean said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

    @brodean said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

    @Wurzel said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

    Speaking of Dagg and ex players not being critical of current ABs, evidently he’s not a Rieko fan… and wasn’t when they played together

    https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNzZXjXQrKw/?igsh=MXdhMTk1NWUzcW01aw==

    Finally someone says something. Thank heavens.

    The fact in a decade Rieko hasn't developed the skills to take the high ball or develop a kicking game says a lot.

    It also says a lot about these coaches.

    They talk about both sides of the ball but throw Rieko on the wing when presumably they know he struggles under the high ball. If they don't know - and if their plan was to play Rieko on the wing - then why weren't they using the pre AB squad naming camp in BOP and the French series trainings to really test out Rieko under the high ball.

    There are some things Rieko has improved on in his career - defensively he has gotten much better and his passing has improved compared to where it was when he first came on the scene.

    But it screams of Razor not having the sack to drop a guy that the NZR signed to a deal through to the 2027 RWC.

    He doesn't need a highball game at centre and he didn't need a kicking game with Havili and JB being his main two partners.

    He didn't move to centre until 2020 - where was the development of a high ball game in 2018 or 2019 following his breakout 2017 season? Where is any evidence he has worked on his high ball game in the last 2 months ? As I state above - this is also on the coaches when switching him back to wing this year - they've switched a guy back there who doesn't have high ball skills and their plan is to have Will Jordan covering it.

    As for a kicking game this also would have been beneficial to him as a winger before he switched to midfield - Rieko would often be in the back field as cover with no kicking option to go to or not have a kick ahead option when the opportinity arose when he was put into space - not to mention another kicking option in the backline would always be an asset to his team and a string to his bow. Effectively it would have made him less one dimensional. Nonu didn't 'need' a kicking game either but he developed an excellent one over time. Heck even at a franchise level Lam in his first proper season at 12 this year displayed development of a kicking game.

    Nonu played at 12 where a kicking game is required

    Conrad Smith kicked very rarely.

    Rieko Ioane has only had one full season on the wing for the Blues where the players develop their skills. The great majority of his Blues career was spent in the midfield and at center when the team went from chronic cellar dwellers to winning a SRT title, an SRP title and multiple semi finals.

    Rieko Ioane was pretty much exclusively a left winger only for the ABs for three straight seasons 2017 - 2019, nearly 25 tests on the left wing with a handful of appearances from the bench - he had plenty of time to develop his skills under the high ball. Compare that with someone like Richard Kahui who only had one test start on the wing (in 2008) before the RWC - and in that RWC he showed real commitment under the high ball and with his kick chase.

    Again - this isn't exclusively a Rieko thing - how has Sevu Reece not improved under the high ball in all his time playing wing - and the coaches - how they do they stick two poor players under the high ball on the wing? There's fault all around.

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    • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

      @brodean said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

      @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

      @brodean said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

      @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

      @Wurzel said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

      Speaking of Dagg and ex players not being critical of current ABs, evidently he’s not a Rieko fan… and wasn’t when they played together

      https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNzZXjXQrKw/?igsh=MXdhMTk1NWUzcW01aw==

      Finally someone says something. Thank heavens.

      The fact in a decade Rieko hasn't developed the skills to take the high ball or develop a kicking game says a lot.

      It also says a lot about these coaches.

      They talk about both sides of the ball but throw Rieko on the wing when presumably they know he struggles under the high ball. If they don't know - and if their plan was to play Rieko on the wing - then why weren't they using the pre AB squad naming camp in BOP and the French series trainings to really test out Rieko under the high ball.

      There are some things Rieko has improved on in his career - defensively he has gotten much better and his passing has improved compared to where it was when he first came on the scene.

      But it screams of Razor not having the sack to drop a guy that the NZR signed to a deal through to the 2027 RWC.

      He doesn't need a highball game at centre and he didn't need a kicking game with Havili and JB being his main two partners.

      He didn't move to centre until 2020 - where was the development of a high ball game in 2018 or 2019 following his breakout 2017 season? Where is any evidence he has worked on his high ball game in the last 2 months ? As I state above - this is also on the coaches when switching him back to wing this year - they've switched a guy back there who doesn't have high ball skills and their plan is to have Will Jordan covering it.

      As for a kicking game this also would have been beneficial to him as a winger before he switched to midfield - Rieko would often be in the back field as cover with no kicking option to go to or not have a kick ahead option when the opportinity arose when he was put into space - not to mention another kicking option in the backline would always be an asset to his team and a string to his bow. Effectively it would have made him less one dimensional. Nonu didn't 'need' a kicking game either but he developed an excellent one over time. Heck even at a franchise level Lam in his first proper season at 12 this year displayed development of a kicking game.

      Nonu played at 12 where a kicking game is required

      Conrad Smith kicked very rarely.

      Rieko Ioane has only had one full season on the wing for the Blues where the players develop their skills. The great majority of his Blues career was spent in the midfield and at center when the team went from chronic cellar dwellers to winning a SRT title, an SRP title and multiple semi finals.

      Rieko Ioane was pretty much exclusively a left winger only for the ABs for three straight seasons 2017 - 2019, nearly 25 tests on the left wing with a handful of appearances from the bench - he had plenty of time to develop his skills under the high ball. Compare that with someone like Richard Kahui who only had one test start on the wing (in 2008) before the RWC - and in that RWC he showed real commitment under the high ball and with his kick chase.

      Again - this isn't exclusively a Rieko thing - how has Sevu Reece not improved under the high ball in all his time playing wing - and the coaches - how they do they stick two poor players under the high ball on the wing? There's fault all around.

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      @KiwiMurph i wonder if the Boks will kick to us?

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      • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

        @KiwiMurph i wonder if the Boks will kick to us?

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        #141

        @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

        @KiwiMurph i wonder if the Boks will kick to us?

        Well it's not like we didn't also miss an absolute shitload of tackles... making it a tough choice for them to run it or kick it.
        Bit of a masterstroke really, they won't know what to do.

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          #142

          SA are now using their locks to contest box kicks, so no chance the ABs win that battle.

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            SA are now using their locks to contest box kicks, so no chance the ABs win that battle.

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            @Bovidae be nice to try though aye!

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              #144

              Would be great to have some insight from the coaches as to the reluctance to try a 6-2 bench. We seem to have ideal cattle right now with our versatile backs to give it a go, but it seems off the table. Has anyone heard it being discussed by anyone in the setup?

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              • B brodean

                @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                @Wurzel said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                Speaking of Dagg and ex players not being critical of current ABs, evidently he’s not a Rieko fan… and wasn’t when they played together

                https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNzZXjXQrKw/?igsh=MXdhMTk1NWUzcW01aw==

                Finally someone says something. Thank heavens.

                The fact in a decade Rieko hasn't developed the skills to take the high ball or develop a kicking game says a lot.

                It also says a lot about these coaches.

                They talk about both sides of the ball but throw Rieko on the wing when presumably they know he struggles under the high ball. If they don't know - and if their plan was to play Rieko on the wing - then why weren't they using the pre AB squad naming camp in BOP and the French series trainings to really test out Rieko under the high ball.

                There are some things Rieko has improved on in his career - defensively he has gotten much better and his passing has improved compared to where it was when he first came on the scene.

                But it screams of Razor not having the sack to drop a guy that the NZR signed to a deal through to the 2027 RWC.

                He doesn't need a highball game at centre and he didn't need a kicking game with Havili and JB being his main two partners.

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                #145

                @brodean said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                @Wurzel said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                Speaking of Dagg and ex players not being critical of current ABs, evidently he’s not a Rieko fan… and wasn’t when they played together

                https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNzZXjXQrKw/?igsh=MXdhMTk1NWUzcW01aw==

                Finally someone says something. Thank heavens.

                The fact in a decade Rieko hasn't developed the skills to take the high ball or develop a kicking game says a lot.

                It also says a lot about these coaches.

                They talk about both sides of the ball but throw Rieko on the wing when presumably they know he struggles under the high ball. If they don't know - and if their plan was to play Rieko on the wing - then why weren't they using the pre AB squad naming camp in BOP and the French series trainings to really test out Rieko under the high ball.

                There are some things Rieko has improved on in his career - defensively he has gotten much better and his passing has improved compared to where it was when he first came on the scene.

                But it screams of Razor not having the sack to drop a guy that the NZR signed to a deal through to the 2027 RWC.

                He doesn't need a highball game at centre and he didn't need a kicking game with Havili and JB being his main two partners.

                It is a bit mad that we are criticising a guy who played centre for the last 5 years for not developing strength under the high-ball while the guys who have been playing wing and fullback throughout that time and still do seem to be escaping criticism for also being complete numpties under the high ball.

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                • FrankF Frank

                  @brodean said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                  @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                  @Wurzel said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                  Speaking of Dagg and ex players not being critical of current ABs, evidently he’s not a Rieko fan… and wasn’t when they played together

                  https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNzZXjXQrKw/?igsh=MXdhMTk1NWUzcW01aw==

                  Finally someone says something. Thank heavens.

                  The fact in a decade Rieko hasn't developed the skills to take the high ball or develop a kicking game says a lot.

                  It also says a lot about these coaches.

                  They talk about both sides of the ball but throw Rieko on the wing when presumably they know he struggles under the high ball. If they don't know - and if their plan was to play Rieko on the wing - then why weren't they using the pre AB squad naming camp in BOP and the French series trainings to really test out Rieko under the high ball.

                  There are some things Rieko has improved on in his career - defensively he has gotten much better and his passing has improved compared to where it was when he first came on the scene.

                  But it screams of Razor not having the sack to drop a guy that the NZR signed to a deal through to the 2027 RWC.

                  He doesn't need a highball game at centre and he didn't need a kicking game with Havili and JB being his main two partners.

                  Does need to know how to pass well though doesn't he.

                  See it as a close call between him and Proctor however.

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                  #146

                  @Frank said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                  @brodean said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                  @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                  @Wurzel said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                  Speaking of Dagg and ex players not being critical of current ABs, evidently he’s not a Rieko fan… and wasn’t when they played together

                  https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNzZXjXQrKw/?igsh=MXdhMTk1NWUzcW01aw==

                  Finally someone says something. Thank heavens.

                  The fact in a decade Rieko hasn't developed the skills to take the high ball or develop a kicking game says a lot.

                  It also says a lot about these coaches.

                  They talk about both sides of the ball but throw Rieko on the wing when presumably they know he struggles under the high ball. If they don't know - and if their plan was to play Rieko on the wing - then why weren't they using the pre AB squad naming camp in BOP and the French series trainings to really test out Rieko under the high ball.

                  There are some things Rieko has improved on in his career - defensively he has gotten much better and his passing has improved compared to where it was when he first came on the scene.

                  But it screams of Razor not having the sack to drop a guy that the NZR signed to a deal through to the 2027 RWC.

                  He doesn't need a highball game at centre and he didn't need a kicking game with Havili and JB being his main two partners.

                  Does need to know how to pass well though doesn't he.

                  See it as a close call between him and Proctor however.

                  He passes just fine - not perfect, but fine. The issue he has is the same one that Proctor is facing now - a lack of time and space with which to use the ball. This is primarily the result of how this and the last regime structured their backline attack and also the two blokes inside him who can’t pass for shit either.

                  I don’t know if there is a centre in NZ who could, under those conditions, throw the kind of perfectly timed flat spiral passes to wide wingers and fullbacks that people seem to be expecting here - not Rieko and not Proctor either.

                  As for the comment earlier about Rieko tucking and ducking, that is totally fair and quite frustrating. But, I think it is also fair to suggest that this is something he has developed to get himself over the gain line and not get smashed by his opposing centres when playing so flat and flat footed as part of our backline structure.

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                  • juniorJ junior

                    @Frank said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                    @brodean said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                    @Wurzel said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                    Speaking of Dagg and ex players not being critical of current ABs, evidently he’s not a Rieko fan… and wasn’t when they played together

                    https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNzZXjXQrKw/?igsh=MXdhMTk1NWUzcW01aw==

                    Finally someone says something. Thank heavens.

                    The fact in a decade Rieko hasn't developed the skills to take the high ball or develop a kicking game says a lot.

                    It also says a lot about these coaches.

                    They talk about both sides of the ball but throw Rieko on the wing when presumably they know he struggles under the high ball. If they don't know - and if their plan was to play Rieko on the wing - then why weren't they using the pre AB squad naming camp in BOP and the French series trainings to really test out Rieko under the high ball.

                    There are some things Rieko has improved on in his career - defensively he has gotten much better and his passing has improved compared to where it was when he first came on the scene.

                    But it screams of Razor not having the sack to drop a guy that the NZR signed to a deal through to the 2027 RWC.

                    He doesn't need a highball game at centre and he didn't need a kicking game with Havili and JB being his main two partners.

                    Does need to know how to pass well though doesn't he.

                    See it as a close call between him and Proctor however.

                    He passes just fine - not perfect, but fine. The issue he has is the same one that Proctor is facing now - a lack of time and space with which to use the ball. This is primarily the result of how this and the last regime structured their backline attack and also the two blokes inside him who can’t pass for shit either.

                    I don’t know if there is a centre in NZ who could, under those conditions, throw the kind of perfectly timed flat spiral passes to wide wingers and fullbacks that people seem to be expecting here - not Rieko and not Proctor either.

                    As for the comment earlier about Rieko tucking and ducking, that is totally fair and quite frustrating. But, I think it is also fair to suggest that this is something he has developed to get himself over the gain line and not get smashed by his opposing centres when playing so flat and flat footed as part of our backline structure.

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                    @junior tuck and duck should be last resort, any player worth their salt should have eyes up. He gets plenty of opportunity to display this, but never does - in any team. It's not the system.

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                      #148

                      Reluctantly adding to the Rieko bash here, because I like the guy as player and it saddens me the way things are at the moment, but there was one moment on the weekend that summed up where is at. It was when the Argies fucked up a pass and the ball was bouncing along the ground. Rieko was there, he bent over to pick it up and spilled the ball forward. Opportunity missed. Rieko of old, or someone else on top of their game, would have either scooped the ball up and accelerated at the gap, or instinctively toed the ball on creating a kick chase situation. I just knew as I watched it unfold, that the chance would be blown.

                      For what it's worth, I can't imagine any AB back would have made gold out of that situation on the weekend. That's how down on mojo they are as a unit.

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                        @Crazy-Horse a good observation, it does feel like the backline do not have confidence that they can implement whatever gameplan they are being asked to do, and it's impacting their confidence across the board which can lead to missed opportunities like that.

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                          Will Jordan passed the ball last week though. You pessimistic bunch.

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                          • BonesB Bones

                            Will Jordan passed the ball last week though. You pessimistic bunch.

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                            @Bones said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                            Will Jordan passed the ball last week though. You pessimistic bunch.

                            we also look very staunch on the bus on the way in to the stadium.

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                            • juniorJ junior

                              @Frank said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                              @brodean said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                              @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                              @Wurzel said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                              Speaking of Dagg and ex players not being critical of current ABs, evidently he’s not a Rieko fan… and wasn’t when they played together

                              https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNzZXjXQrKw/?igsh=MXdhMTk1NWUzcW01aw==

                              Finally someone says something. Thank heavens.

                              The fact in a decade Rieko hasn't developed the skills to take the high ball or develop a kicking game says a lot.

                              It also says a lot about these coaches.

                              They talk about both sides of the ball but throw Rieko on the wing when presumably they know he struggles under the high ball. If they don't know - and if their plan was to play Rieko on the wing - then why weren't they using the pre AB squad naming camp in BOP and the French series trainings to really test out Rieko under the high ball.

                              There are some things Rieko has improved on in his career - defensively he has gotten much better and his passing has improved compared to where it was when he first came on the scene.

                              But it screams of Razor not having the sack to drop a guy that the NZR signed to a deal through to the 2027 RWC.

                              He doesn't need a highball game at centre and he didn't need a kicking game with Havili and JB being his main two partners.

                              Does need to know how to pass well though doesn't he.

                              See it as a close call between him and Proctor however.

                              He passes just fine - not perfect, but fine. The issue he has is the same one that Proctor is facing now - a lack of time and space with which to use the ball. This is primarily the result of how this and the last regime structured their backline attack and also the two blokes inside him who can’t pass for shit either.

                              I don’t know if there is a centre in NZ who could, under those conditions, throw the kind of perfectly timed flat spiral passes to wide wingers and fullbacks that people seem to be expecting here - not Rieko and not Proctor either.

                              As for the comment earlier about Rieko tucking and ducking, that is totally fair and quite frustrating. But, I think it is also fair to suggest that this is something he has developed to get himself over the gain line and not get smashed by his opposing centres when playing so flat and flat footed as part of our backline structure.

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                              @junior said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                              This is primarily the result of how this and the last regime structured their backline attack and also the two blokes inside him who can’t pass for shit either.

                              Yeah, his lack of distribution skill is the fault of every coach and every player that has ever played inside him. Nothing to do with him at all............

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                                Anton Lienert-Brown is probably the best distributing centre in NZ - just saying...

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                                  Will Cam Roigard be available?

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                                  • M Mr Fish

                                    Anton Lienert-Brown is probably the best distributing centre in NZ - just saying...

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                                    @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                                    Anton Lienert-Brown is probably the best distributing centre in NZ - just saying...

                                    When he's not in the bin?

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                                    • FrankF Frank

                                      Will Cam Roigard be available?

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                                      @Frank said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                                      Will Cam Roigard be available?

                                      Very doubtful

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                                      • canefanC canefan

                                        @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                                        Anton Lienert-Brown is probably the best distributing centre in NZ - just saying...

                                        When he's not in the bin?

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                                        @canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                                        @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                                        Anton Lienert-Brown is probably the best distributing centre in NZ - just saying...

                                        When he's not in the bin?

                                        See, none of our contenders are perfect, ALB can't stay on the field, Rieko can't pass and Proctor can't walk on water defend. 😉

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                                        • NepiaN Nepia

                                          @canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                                          @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                                          Anton Lienert-Brown is probably the best distributing centre in NZ - just saying...

                                          When he's not in the bin?

                                          See, none of our contenders are perfect, ALB can't stay on the field, Rieko can't pass and Proctor can't walk on water defend. 😉

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                                          @Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                                          @canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                                          @Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Springboks I:

                                          Anton Lienert-Brown is probably the best distributing centre in NZ - just saying...

                                          When he's not in the bin?

                                          See, none of our contenders are perfect, ALB can't stay on the field, Rieko can't pass and Proctor can't walk on water defend. 😉

                                          And Leicester is laughing

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