All Blacks vs Springboks II
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I know its been said before but they knew exactly what the Boks were bringing but they had no plan B
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What a disgrace. I am ashamed to be honest. Where the fuck is the passion?
SB is no captain and if they do not get rid of the backs coach or find a decent play maker then then we are fucked.What was the game plan. We need a new 10 because for mine BB and D MAC haven't got a clue.. Razor must be on thin ice !!
I am so fucking angry I can,t even think strait. All I know is if we do not make some serious changes, more embarrassment will follow. What a total shit show !!
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@mencey Spot on. A terrible day for those of us who want the Black Jersey to be feared and respected.
Just embarrassing to see some of the side give up.
The coaches, players and senior administrators involved in that performance should be utterly ashamed.
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@Jet said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Beauden is a poison every coach gets sucked into.
Forwards made to look like bunnies
Its really nothing personal, and it sounds like a vendetta from some of us against him.
He was one of my favourite players.
But the guy has to be put out of his misery.
140 caps.
It beggars belief.
Totally agree. Loved BB in his prime but he should now take the money up North. Lets be honest, since Carter left, we haven't had a consistently good 10.
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Think they were smashed into submission. I remember seeing very good/legendary Boks like Etzebeth reduced to WTF moments when they lost 57-0. Nothing worked that day for the Boks and everything worked for NZ. A week (or two?) later they narrowly lost to NZ in SA.
The main issue with NZ is the game plan is just not conducive to consistent performance. The up/down performances and continual poor performances in second halves leave major questions for Robertson.
The kicking game worked in the first half, but it stopped working in the second half and just gave ball back to the Boks. When you can’t catch, can’t win lineouts and are giving away penalties and territory away at the scrum, any errors crank the pressure up.
Test matches are pressure cookers. It needs cool heads and leadership to slow things down and get some momentum. Too many AB leaders are looking for the high risk play, which when they come off look great. But when they don’t, it gives the opponent a lift and cranks that pressure up another notch.
What today showed is that the Bok management are able to lift their players performance at half-time. Robertson and his management might want to leave the players out on the pitch in future if their half-time impact is anything to go by.
Robertson is massively under pressure. Lose the Bledisloe and he won’t be around to play Mo’unga when he returns.
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Think they were smashed into submission. I remember seeing very good/legendary Boks like Etzebeth reduced to WTF moments when they lost 57-0. Nothing worked that day for the Boks and everything worked for NZ. A week (or two?) later they narrowly lost to NZ in SA.
The main issue with NZ is the game plan is just not conducive to consistent performance. The up/down performances and continual poor performances in second halves leave major questions for Robertson.
The kicking game worked in the first half, but it stopped working in the second half and just gave ball back to the Boks. When you can’t catch, can’t win lineouts and are giving away penalties and territory away at the scrum, any errors crank the pressure up.
Test matches are pressure cookers. It needs cool heads and leadership to slow things down and get some momentum. Too many AB leaders are looking for the high risk play, which when they come off look great. But when they don’t, it gives the opponent a lift and cranks that pressure up another notch.
What today showed is that the Bok management are able to lift their players performance at half-time. Robertson and his management might want to leave the players out on the pitch in future if their half-time impact is anything to go by.
Robertson is massively under pressure. Lose the Bledisloe and he won’t be around to play Mo’unga when he returns.
Robertson should have got the gig in 2020 when he had his QB in Mo'unga.
Mo'unga leaving in 23 knowing Daddy was getting the keys to the castle was alarming in and of itself.
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Robertson is massively under pressure. Lose the Bledisloe and he won’t be around to play Mo’unga when he returns.
He'll be there until the EOYT I suspect. He seems to be Robinson's pet project and if he goes, it will be when he steps down.
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TBF the Boks were brilliant.
Pretty difficult to survive against that scrum and brilliance in the air but.
Holland needs to start he's a source of ball.
Need Roigard.
BB is not the answer at 10.
Love needs to start.
SB good player but not captaincy.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Christie would be nowhere near the side if not for a really rough run of injuries. I'd prefer Fakatava, but him I can cut Robertson some slack for him
It's bloody embarrassing to think that a 4th-string player (admittedly playing his heart out) didn't look all that out of place
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Springboks looked fitter than us too.
After all their early injuries, I expected their bench to be gassed late in the game, but they finished far stronger than us
Easier when yo-yo,ay with the ball.
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Well done Bokke, you bounced back and played bloody well, by equal measures we were bloodynawful in that 2nd half.
We had no ball, and what little we did, we aimlessly kicked it away or dropped it, or did something else equally dumb.
The Bokke owned the airspace around Wellington, and took full advantage of our appalling work in the air, over and over, bring back Cory Jane!
As many have said, several ABs are past thier time, even someone like Scott, who still has alot to offer, I wonder if he is so ingrained in Razor-ball, he can't see when it is not.working to allow him to make changes.
That said, too many are simply not self aware enough to know what they are.doing is not working, yet we keep banging away with the same plan.
Have to wonder if Razor is self aware enough to pull the trigger on his assistants, Ryan aside (although the last 2 weeks his head should be too) none of our coaching seems upto it.
Although, who is out there that would want to join this shit show?
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If Scott Robertson is not clearing his desk on Monday morning, he should be told to do so.
He won’t. So what is the next step? He needs to change his assistants as they aren’t working.
Maybe the assistants aren't the problem?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If Scott Robertson is not clearing his desk on Monday morning, he should be told to do so.
He won’t. So what is the next step? He needs to change his assistants as they aren’t working.
Maybe the assistants aren't the problem?
Do you think it is the message from the head coach? Because from what I have read about Rqzor, that is one thing he has been lauded for.
I really think Razor is a coach that builds through a regular season. His players bought into the team ethos and peaked for finals. The way international rugby works is different, and I think he is struggling to either articulate his message/strategy with players coming from very different set ups and cultures.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Fuck. Our scrum is toast..
That was a clear penalty to ABs. Wessels knee on ground. Dropped scrum down and ABs only went back after that destabilisation.
Right in front of AR. And TMO missed. Second Kolbe try should have been scrubbed.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Fuck. Our scrum is toast..
That was a clear penalty to ABs. Wessels knee on ground. Dropped scrum down and ABs only went back after that destabilisation.
Right in front of AR. And TMO missed. Second Kolbe try should have been scrubbed.
Amashukeli refs based on what he feels, rather than sees sometimes. The Boks last week had the dominant scrum, and I am sure Rassie would have had a word pre-game to ask the ref for them to reap the benefit of that advantage. Before this scrum, the Boks had shown they had the edge. So the pictures to Amashukeli were clear and he penalised the ABs because he felt the Boks had the dominant scrum.
Rather than blame the ref, the ABs need to ask why their scrum has regressed as much as it has from last year when it was a weapon they used to gain penalties and launch strikes from.
