All Blacks vs Springboks II
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I can handle losses better now than years ago and I shouldn’t be surprised because I actually picked last week we would get up for the eden park game and be extremely disappointing the next week and lose .
But it was so depressing to watch an allblacks team throw in the towel with so much time left on the clock.
Don’t be surprised if we put in a much better performance and beat the wallabies first up then get rolled the next game now .
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If Scott Robertson is not clearing his desk on Monday morning, he should be told to do so.
He won’t. So what is the next step? He needs to change his assistants as they aren’t working.
Maybe the assistants aren't the problem?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
If Scott Robertson is not clearing his desk on Monday morning, he should be told to do so.
He won’t. So what is the next step? He needs to change his assistants as they aren’t working.
Maybe the assistants aren't the problem?
They're all a problem. Including Ryan. Ryan has had some success but he's also had some failures. He was also in charge for that London game.
He's toxic af and his selections have done damage to NZ rugby and held us back.
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Does Brodie McAlister get another test after that? Usually not the time to get too carried away but that was seriously a career ending stint from him, Jason Ryan's boy from Sydenham might I add.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Does Brodie McAlister get another test after that? Usually not the time to get too carried away but that was seriously a career ending stint from him, Jason Ryan's boy from Sydenham might I add.
No idea how he made the squad,,,,
he spent most of his time at sydenham not playing and nursing (minor) injuries
Has a reputation for being a bit soft -
There's been a lot of false dawns in this tenure of Razor's.
Several times I think we've turned the corner only to ship another loss.
A couple of weeks ago it looked like we'd built a formidable forward pack - only to watch it fold like a house of cards.
Scrum buckling and lineout in disarray - and then we're getting killed in the air. We've got five fucking fullbacks in the team last night and we're getting taken apart!
I was pretty confident we were going to win last night and was still confident at half time. But, that second half was a rout - the only comparably awful half of AB rugby I can recall is France in 1999.
I hope this is the fucking nadir - injects some steel into this team.
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I can handle losses better now than years ago and I shouldn’t be surprised because I actually picked last week we would get up for the eden park game and be extremely disappointing the next week and lose .
But it was so depressing to watch an allblacks team throw in the towel with so much time left on the clock.
Don’t be surprised if we put in a much better performance and beat the wallabies first up then get rolled the next game now .
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I can handle losses better now than years ago and I shouldn’t be surprised because I actually picked last week we would get up for the eden park game and be extremely disappointing the next week and lose .
But it was so depressing to watch an allblacks team throw in the towel with so much time left on the clock.
Don’t be surprised if we put in a much better performance and beat the wallabies first up then get rolled the next game now .
100% the throwing in the towel and not defending till the bitter end was shocking to see. Still that's what you get when you've picked zero of the Crusaders and Blues defensive leaders - the two best NZ defensive teams in recent years.
Instead we've packed the squad with guys who have flaked at the business end of the season when it comes to defence.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
TBF the Boks were brilliant.
Pretty difficult to survive against that scrum and brilliance in the air but.
Holland needs to start he's a source of ball.
Need Roigard.
BB is not the answer at 10.
Love needs to start.
SB good player but not captaincy.
Razor has to make the tough calls.If you think fairy pants Holland is the answer you’re mad. He’s not even the fifth best second row in Nz and I’m a die hard highlanders supporter
@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
TBF the Boks were brilliant.
Pretty difficult to survive against that scrum and brilliance in the air but.
Holland needs to start he's a source of ball.
Need Roigard.
BB is not the answer at 10.
Love needs to start.
SB good player but not captaincy.
Razor has to make the tough calls.If you think fairy pants Holland is the answer you’re mad. He’s not even the fifth best second row in Nz and I’m a die hard highlanders supporter
Holy Hecker
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Does Brodie McAlister get another test after that? Usually not the time to get too carried away but that was seriously a career ending stint from him, Jason Ryan's boy from Sydenham might I add.
No idea how he made the squad,,,,
he spent most of his time at sydenham not playing and nursing (minor) injuries
Has a reputation for being a bit soft@SammyC said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Does Brodie McAlister get another test after that? Usually not the time to get too carried away but that was seriously a career ending stint from him, Jason Ryan's boy from Sydenham might I add.
No idea how he made the squad,,,,
he spent most of his time at sydenham not playing and nursing (minor) injuries
Has a reputation for being a bit softCome back and post more often mate.
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This is the Razor quote I reacted to:
"South Africa have probably been criticised for their aerial game and their kicking over the years. But they put so much value and so much time into that and the way they play, and they get return on it. They're just so good at it," Robertson said.
"We've done a lot of prep on it but they just owned that area and they ended up putting so much pressure on us. Well done to them, they know their DNA.
"Especially off the box kicks. They won that battle, bounce, bang, play. And they'd get us on the edge short."
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So far we've had the 2nd worst defence in the comp.
The defensive workrate of our primary 7 leads a lot to be desired.
Completed Tackles per 80 Minutes
17.26 Parker
14.31 Lio Willie
13.55 Kirifi
12.88 Finau
11.05 Sititi
10.43 Vaa'i
10.2 SaveaLowest defensive workrate of the loose forwards.
Also Tupou Vaa'i's tackle success this season is 77% which is shocking for a loose forward/lock even at NPC level.
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So far we've had the 2nd worst defence in the comp.
The defensive workrate of our primary 7 leads a lot to be desired.
Completed Tackles per 80 Minutes
17.26 Parker
14.31 Lio Willie
13.55 Kirifi
12.88 Finau
11.05 Sititi
10.43 Vaa'i
10.2 SaveaLowest defensive workrate of the loose forwards.
Also Tupou Vaa'i's tackle success this season is 77% which is shocking for a loose forward/lock even at NPC level.
@brodean he's saving his energy for the chip kicks.
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So far we've had the 2nd worst defence in the comp.
The defensive workrate of our primary 7 leads a lot to be desired.
Completed Tackles per 80 Minutes
17.26 Parker
14.31 Lio Willie
13.55 Kirifi
12.88 Finau
11.05 Sititi
10.43 Vaa'i
10.2 SaveaLowest defensive workrate of the loose forwards.
Also Tupou Vaa'i's tackle success this season is 77% which is shocking for a loose forward/lock even at NPC level.
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Also Tupou Vaa'i's tackle success this season is 77% which is shocking for a loose forward/lock even at NPC level.
All that laughing and clapping looks pretty dumb when you top the missed tackles stat 3 matches in a row
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Time for Beauden and MacKenzie to take a "sabbatical" to their nearest real estate agent training course, no matter what the marketing department says. Whomever we bring in to blood could not possibly be more inconsistent and flaky under pressure
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Also Tupou Vaa'i's tackle success this season is 77% which is shocking for a loose forward/lock even at NPC level.
All that laughing and clapping looks pretty dumb when you top the missed tackles stat 3 matches in a row
@SammyC said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Also Tupou Vaa'i's tackle success this season is 77% which is shocking for a loose forward/lock even at NPC level.
All that laughing and clapping looks pretty dumb when you top the missed tackles stat 3 matches in a row
And yet, is not our worst lock. With him and Barrett we are always going to struggle. Two hybrids against the Boks is not a long term strategy for set piece success.
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Time for Beauden and MacKenzie to take a "sabbatical" to their nearest real estate agent training course, no matter what the marketing department says. Whomever we bring in to blood could not possibly be more inconsistent and flaky under pressure
@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Time for Beauden and MacKenzie to take a "sabbatical" to their nearest real estate agent training course, no matter what the marketing department says. Whomever we bring in to blood could not possibly be more inconsistent and flaky under pressure
Would Love or Jacomb do much worse? Libbock and Sasha are not exactly 80 cappers yet either.
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Sunday morning rugby conversations starting with: “Well, how about those Black Ferns, eh?”
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Razor:
"Look, you just get extremely disappointed because you put so much work ethic into the team, culturally, and you set yourselves up around being able to dig in and show grit. And then that happens," Robertson said.
Maybe a little less trying to get guys up to represent their country and a little more coaching them to actually perform?
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Razor:
"Look, you just get extremely disappointed because you put so much work ethic into the team, culturally, and you set yourselves up around being able to dig in and show grit. And then that happens," Robertson said.
Maybe a little less trying to get guys up to represent their country and a little more coaching them to actually perform?
@gt12 Let me guess the NZR response - a motivational program for the ABs where each player gets a stamp for trying their best, because that’s what really matters after all.
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So far we've had the 2nd worst defence in the comp.
The defensive workrate of our primary 7 leads a lot to be desired.
Completed Tackles per 80 Minutes
17.26 Parker
14.31 Lio Willie
13.55 Kirifi
12.88 Finau
11.05 Sititi
10.43 Vaa'i
10.2 SaveaLowest defensive workrate of the loose forwards.
Also Tupou Vaa'i's tackle success this season is 77% which is shocking for a loose forward/lock even at NPC level.
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
So far we've had the 2nd worst defence in the comp.
The defensive workrate of our primary 7 leads a lot to be desired.
Completed Tackles per 80 Minutes
17.26 Parker
14.31 Lio Willie
13.55 Kirifi
12.88 Finau
11.05 Sititi
10.43 Vaa'i
10.2 SaveaLowest defensive workrate of the loose forwards.
Also Tupou Vaa'i's tackle success this season is 77% which is shocking for a loose forward/lock even at NPC level.
I dont understand why Lio Willie wasn't fully selected in the squad to start with and when he did play well vs France why he didnt make the squad for The Rugby Championship. Instead foodbill Jacobson takes up a spot whilst Razor rotates 8 between Savea, Parker and Sititi
I understand he's a tad small in an ideal world but in terms of what we have I thought he got shafted.
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I didn't watch yesterday, so knowing the score and reading the thread I actually expected much worse.
I thought at half time both coaches would have been very happy. We were by far the better team, imposed ourselves and were in front. They had been outplayed but were close.
Huge turning point in that first half was we have an attacking lineout off that awesome BB kick, they have backs down all over the place. Who ever our retard of a lineout caller is, calls an overly complicated lineout, the ref lets thrm close the gap an upset our pod, turnover followed by THAT DMac chip kick. Chance to establish a big lead gone in like 30 seconds.
2nd half again we were actually really good for 29 minutes. Bok try was brilliant off that scrum, but we're in touch. Then two things happen at the same time. We sub a midfielder on our line, and once again our lineout call is idiotic. Try.
The next 4 minutes is an absolute horror show. 2 will Jordan errors, a shocker of a BB kick. Just low IQ rugby. And it never recovers.
South Africa though, wow. That 2nd half was perfect. Fast, accurate and brutal. What should concern everyone in NZ is i do not believe this AB team has that level of rugby in them. Maybe only France do TBH.
Absolute horror show last quarter for us. Absolutely sublime for South Africa. Well done to them I'm very fucking impressed.
