All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I
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On Beaudy, what made him so effective was his acceleration and gas which made him such a deadly threat at the line. Unfortunately he no longer has that so he’s not as impactful for us compared to someone like DMac who still has it.
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@Canes4life he also has shy-ed away from contact compared to earlier years - understandable given the concussion issues he had but doesn't mean he should get a free pass and keep getting selected. He was starting to lose form more than 2 world cups ago. Just crazy stuff.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
On Beaudy, what made him so effective was his acceleration and gas which made him such a deadly threat at the line. Unfortunately he’s no longer has that so he’s not as impactful for us compared to someone like DMac who still has it.
I can't even tell if Beauden still has any pace or acceleration, because he's not even trying to use it. He's walking and shovelling. At times it's reminiscent of watching Sexton play in the last 10 minutes before his retirement
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
On Beaudy, what made him so effective was his acceleration and gas which made him such a deadly threat at the line. Unfortunately he no longer has that so he’s not as impactful for us compared to someone like DMac who still has it.
He used angles too with that pace. And even when there wasn’t the gap and he knew he could take the ball into contact and set up.
The kicking though, that has fallen off big time
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Razor’s painted himself into a corner with selections. He can’t afford to lose any games, but he also can’t afford to bench his supposed ‘marquee’ players and blood new combinations. He’s done well in the past by building his teams from scratch, however at this level I think the technical detail is a bit beyond him/his team. Unfortunate position to find out you’re not wearing any clothes.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Hmm. Reckon we should be up by more. But only a little.
Possession seems to be key. Whoever has itlooks likely to score.
Can't complain about ref... yet
Yeah both teams leaking points ,
Bledisloe games always seem to resemble super rugby
Funny that
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
I'm not the biggest Darry fan but the ABs could definitely use him in the squad. The starting duo of Vaai and Holland just doesn't have enough bulk and starch.
Wouldn't discard Scott Barrett as a player - just as a captain
Another example of a worrying selection in our forward pack - just like persisting with Sititi at 8 this season when clearly he needs a reset/spell out of the team and to come back.
I thought Holland was bloody good, plays like a lock should winning lineout ball and just working.
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Tamiti Ellison is a bigger thief drawing a coaching salary for defence than he was drawing a salary as a Super rugby player.
Have to admire a man who is defense coach of the Crusaders in their worst season in years and then slides into the All Black job and concedes record amounts of points but receives very little scrutiny for either.
He is the invisible man when it comes to accountability.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life he also has shy-ed away from contact compared to earlier years - understandable given the concussion issues he had but doesn't mean he should get a free pass and keep getting selected. He was starting to lose form more than 2 world cups ago. Just crazy stuff.
We need to be ruthless like we were with JSavea. As soon as started to decline, he was gone. The same needs to happen to Beaudy. Great All Black and he will be remembered for some generational plays but it’s time to move on. DMac and Love need more opportunity at 10, with Roigard at 9 they are less pressured to make key decisions and can just play on instinct which could be the key to unlocking this side.
Before that happens though our forwards need to roll up their sleeves.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life he also has shy-ed away from contact compared to earlier years - understandable given the concussion issues he had but doesn't mean he should get a free pass and keep getting selected. He was starting to lose form more than 2 world cups ago. Just crazy stuff.
> We need to be ruthless like we were with JSavea. As soon as started to decline, he was gone. The same needs to happen to Beaudy. Great All Black and he will be remembered for some generational plays but it’s time to move on. DMac and Love need more opportunity at 10, with Roigard at 9 they are less pressured to make key decisions and can just play on instinct.
I mentioned him with tongue in cheek during the week. A guy with missing fingers could count the number of bad games he had before being dumped for good. Still young too, not even given a chance to shift to midfield ( which he obviously did at lower levels )
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Tamiti Ellison is a bigger thief drawing a coaching salary for defence than he was drawing a salary as a Super rugby player.
Have to admire a man who is defense coach of the Crusaders in their worst season in years and then slides into the All Black job and concedes record amounts of points but receives very little scrutiny for either.
He is the invisible man when it comes to accountability.
Can I add he was also very average as Wellington head coach. Wellington had the calibre of players to win two championships either side of the year that Ellison was in charge but when Ellison had the reigns they looked more like chumps, especially on defence.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
I'm not the biggest Darry fan but the ABs could definitely use him in the squad. The starting duo of Vaai and Holland just doesn't have enough bulk and starch.
Wouldn't discard Scott Barrett as a player - just as a captain
Another example of a worrying selection in our forward pack - just like persisting with Sititi at 8 this season when clearly he needs a reset/spell out of the team and to come back.
I thought Holland was bloody good, plays like a lock should winning lineout ball and just working.
My issue is the balance/combo. In my mind Holland and Vaai doesnt work.
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A few thoughts:
Lineout just looks so much better with Holland there. Don't have to do complicated shit that we fuck up, just throw it to the big fella. That's worth a fair bit - and even more if Taylor is ever not playing, because his lineout throwing is far better than our other options, who do have their own strengths.
I don't even know what we should do with our loosies anymore. Other teams have a Wilson, Matera, Wiese. We don't have a brutal ball runner. Sititi is a shadow of last year. Savea is average between a couple of highlights. We aren't playing a worker either - I think that's why we look better when Holland and Newell are on the field, because they pick up some of that slack.
With McKenzie playing, immediately our backs were running onto the ball. Night and day.
Roigard obviously makes a big difference.
The high kicks are a lottery. Have a lucky day with a couple and some dubious ref decisions and cracks are papered over. At least our kicking was a bit more accurate and our chase a bit more organised this week.
Our try-line defence used to be really good. Now it is shit. Aussies clearly thinking about theirs and holding us up, good smart play. -
The problem is not that we don’t have (arguably) the best available players in the squad, the problem is that it’s just not gelling. Defence is leaking, kicking and catching the high ball is atrocious. Forward play is ok (scrum is a strength). We’re still relying on superior skill and handling to get us out of tight spots. It’s a very limited way to play.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Proctor should be dropped.
But he might be saved by the lack of a clear alternative.
Rieko is in horrible form.Is Ennor still injured?
Irrelevant. He should be no where near the squad
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life he also has shy-ed away from contact compared to earlier years - understandable given the concussion issues he had but doesn't mean he should get a free pass and keep getting selected. He was starting to lose form more than 2 world cups ago. Just crazy stuff.
> We need to be ruthless like we were with JSavea. As soon as started to decline, he was gone. The same needs to happen to Beaudy. Great All Black and he will be remembered for some generational plays but it’s time to move on. DMac and Love need more opportunity at 10, with Roigard at 9 they are less pressured to make key decisions and can just play on instinct.
I mentioned him with tongue in cheek during the week. A guy with missing fingers could count the number of bad games he had before being dumped for good. Still young too, not even given a chance to shift to midfield ( which he obviously did at lower levels )
His form also fell off a cliff for the Canes post 2015. From memory I think he was a reserve when the Canes won the title in 2016, with Woodward and Jane preferred ahead of him on the wings.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Proctor should be dropped.
But he might be saved by the lack of a clear alternative.
Rieko is in horrible form.Is Ennor still injured?
Irrelevant. He should be no where near the squad
And if he was, he’d just break 5 mins later anyway
