All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II
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Tupou Vaa'i is out of the Test, Holland will start at lock.
Shows that the coaches see Tuipulotu as more of an impact player (or, alternatively, don't believe Holland is that player).
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Tupou Vaa'i is out of the Test, Holland will start at lock.
the knee I presume.
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How the hell Tamati Ellison still has a job I do not know. We are regularly shipping 30+ points. His track record wasn't great - failed at the Crusaders last year, so elevated to the ABs. It's a symptom of 'people I know' rather than 'the best person for the job'.
Go through that coaching team sheet and figure out how many hadn't worked with Razor before. It's almost zero. Working with people who you know is the opposite of a high performance mindset.
Where are the new ideas going to come from? God knows.
What I find wild is the shift from 'drop Croczilla for the final' ruthlessness to "BB can play till he's 40, or we get RM back'. That is such a 180 I cannot get my head around it. And fuck the world I re-watched the last 40 of the SA test this week. BB gets a prime attackign opportunity towards teh end and just ... cross kicks the ball. IT's like his one trick that surely catches the opposition by surprise this time. I mean, it's not on every fucking tape you get of him doing stupid, low percentage miracle plays that will look good on the Insta.
I cannot remember being as disappointed in a coaching team as I am right now. We are fucking up the fundamentals over and over, and no one cares. Your captain is chipping on his 5 m line and no one cares. Here's the thing. If you dno't respect possession, the opposition will and they will thump you. That's where we are right now. It's awful to watch and hard to support.
Fuck Robinson, Robertson, Tamati, Scott, Beaudy, Scooter, Ardie, TJ, Last season Cane and RM. Jesus it's frustrating.
Edit. I feel better after that vent. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
How the hell Tamati Ellison still has a job I do not know. We are regularly shipping 30+ points. His track record wasn't great - failed at the Crusaders last year, so elevated to the ABs. It's a symptom of 'people I know' rather than 'the best person for the job'.
Go through that coaching team sheet and figure out how many hadn't worked with Razor before. It's almost zero. Working with people who you know is the opposite of a high performance mindset.
Where are the new ideas going to come from? God knows.
What I find wild is the shift from 'drop Croczilla for the final' ruthlessness to "BB can play till he's 40, or we get RM back'. That is such a 180 I cannot get my head around it. And fuck the world I re-watched the last 40 of the SA test this week. BB gets a prime attackign opportunity towards teh end and just ... cross kicks the ball. IT's like his one trick that surely catches the opposition by surprise this time. I mean, it's not on every fucking tape you get of him doing stupid, low percentage miracle plays that will look good on the Insta.
I cannot remember being as disappointed in a coaching team as I am right now. We are fucking up the fundamentals over and over, and no one cares. Your captain is chipping on his 5 m line and no one cares. Here's the thing. If you dno't respect possession, the opposition will and they will thump you. That's where we are right now. It's awful to watch and hard to support.
Fuck Robinson, Robertson, Tamati, Scott, Beaudy, Scooter, Ardie, TJ, Last season Cane and RM. Jesus it's frustrating.
Edit. I feel better after that vent. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
The nonsense with BB has gone on so long that there is no way that Love or Jacomb or Perofeta or fucking anyone really could be any worse. He wayyyyyyyy over stayed his welcome.
What troubles me is that I always give the benefit of the doubt that the "pros" have access to an inordinate amount of data and exhaustive metrics and intangibles that we are not privy to which helps them aid selection and tactics.
I have been going in hard on Beaudy, ALB, Reece and Rieko among others for years, to the point of parody.
And yet here we are, years later, and my bar stool eye test has been proven right that the team is clearly better with the 4 of them gone.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Id drop him just for that user name.
And sack who ever in the media team addressed him by his username.
I want to find out the team by reading the lineup in the program, with "no late changes" confirmed over the tannoy post warm up, while the stench of cigar smoke wafts through the air from the terraces.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Tupou Vaa'i is out of the Test, Holland will start at lock.
the knee I presume.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Tupou Vaa'i is out of the Test, Holland will start at lock.
the knee I presume.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Id drop him just for that user name.
And sack who ever in the media team addressed him by his username.
I want to find out the team by reading the lineup in the program, with "no late changes" confirmed over the tannoy post warm up, while the stench of cigar smoke wafts through the air from the terraces.
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Id drop him just for that user name.
And sack who ever in the media team addressed him by his username.
I want to find out the team by reading the lineup in the program, with "no late changes" confirmed over the tannoy post warm up, while the stench of cigar smoke wafts through the air from the terraces.
Calm down J'et.
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Thankfully they saw sense and realized Tupou playing on that injured knee wasn't Vaa'i-able.
Now Scooter better be 100% or there'll be trouble brewing in the Muppet Show. -
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@JA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Agree with the general sentiment about the makeup of the loose forwards. But individually I thought Lakai was fine if in the last game. He made post contact metres in heavy traffic, his detail around ball presentation and body positioning was spot on. Granted he got limited chances but seemed up to the physical stuff in that sample. Let's how he goes against the bigger bodies the Wobs have returning this week.
Agree I have high hopes for Lakai, he's a significant upgrade on Kirifi and this years version of Sititi (who really needed to go back to NPC to get some minutes/form under his belt). The problem, as always for some reason, is the balance of the loosies. I don't know why they can't get that right, even ignoring the obvious Blues players they have snubbed we should be able to get a much better balanced trio on the park. Oh and Ardie has been an abject failure at 7, which is hardly surprising given what we need from a 7 in the modern game vs what he brings to the table.
Savea is an obvious issue because he's the size he is and he plays the way he plays, rather than the way you want an openside or number eight to play and he avoids doing a lot of the hard work. Players in other positions need to make up for his deficiencies to achieve a balance and that means they'd need to play a different way to their natural game or the traditional style of whatever position they're playing and they need to be on the larger side too. Move on from Savea, or at least stick him on the bench, and I suspect finding the right balance would become a lot easier.
Yeah agree, I've wanted him on the bench for years now. Not because I think he's a bad player, just that he would be an absolute fucking weapon to bring on with 30 to go. But that'll never happen because we don't tend to view our bench as a weapon, we just want to stack it with jacks of all trades to cover every single possible injury scenario. I would love it if we could move away from the idea of someone being put on the bench being "dropped" or "demoted" - the modern game is a 23 man game, SA have understood that for years.
Savea might even get through as much work in 30 minutes as he does in 80. Not needing to 'pace himself', i.e. avoid hitting rucks and making tackles, he might be able to go all out, do the hard work and still get his highlights in.
I agree about the use of the bench in general and would add that bench players don't need to play fewer minutes than those starting. I'm not necessarily advocating for this but just as an example, rather than starting Roigard, waiting for him to fade, then having to bring on a massive downgrade with Ratima and make the last quarter much easier for the opposition, they could start Ratima and bring Roigard on before half time, leaving him with more in the tank to go up against tired opposition at the end of the game.
At the moment Boks are walloping teams which chase the game in last quarter. I’m sure the presence of Quagga for that period has plenty to do with it.
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@JA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Agree with the general sentiment about the makeup of the loose forwards. But individually I thought Lakai was fine if in the last game. He made post contact metres in heavy traffic, his detail around ball presentation and body positioning was spot on. Granted he got limited chances but seemed up to the physical stuff in that sample. Let's how he goes against the bigger bodies the Wobs have returning this week.
Agree I have high hopes for Lakai, he's a significant upgrade on Kirifi and this years version of Sititi (who really needed to go back to NPC to get some minutes/form under his belt). The problem, as always for some reason, is the balance of the loosies. I don't know why they can't get that right, even ignoring the obvious Blues players they have snubbed we should be able to get a much better balanced trio on the park. Oh and Ardie has been an abject failure at 7, which is hardly surprising given what we need from a 7 in the modern game vs what he brings to the table.
Savea is an obvious issue because he's the size he is and he plays the way he plays, rather than the way you want an openside or number eight to play and he avoids doing a lot of the hard work. Players in other positions need to make up for his deficiencies to achieve a balance and that means they'd need to play a different way to their natural game or the traditional style of whatever position they're playing and they need to be on the larger side too. Move on from Savea, or at least stick him on the bench, and I suspect finding the right balance would become a lot easier.
Yeah agree, I've wanted him on the bench for years now. Not because I think he's a bad player, just that he would be an absolute fucking weapon to bring on with 30 to go. But that'll never happen because we don't tend to view our bench as a weapon, we just want to stack it with jacks of all trades to cover every single possible injury scenario. I would love it if we could move away from the idea of someone being put on the bench being "dropped" or "demoted" - the modern game is a 23 man game, SA have understood that for years.
Savea might even get through as much work in 30 minutes as he does in 80. Not needing to 'pace himself', i.e. avoid hitting rucks and making tackles, he might be able to go all out, do the hard work and still get his highlights in.
I agree about the use of the bench in general and would add that bench players don't need to play fewer minutes than those starting. I'm not necessarily advocating for this but just as an example, rather than starting Roigard, waiting for him to fade, then having to bring on a massive downgrade with Ratima and make the last quarter much easier for the opposition, they could start Ratima and bring Roigard on before half time, leaving him with more in the tank to go up against tired opposition at the end of the game.
At the moment Boks are walloping teams which chase the game in last quarter. I’m sure the presence of Quagga for that period has plenty to do with it.
As an aside, Eddie Jones reckons what's working so well for Boks at end of games is simplification.
Maximum one pass rugby, 'half' field bombs, smash people.
Only run off turnover ball.
Has worked brilliantly in last two weeks as ABs and Pumas overplayed.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
12 - Ardie Savea
What could’ve been…..
The wasteage of not playing Carl Hayman at number 8!
Who was the guy that suggested playing Benny Blair at first five though? Well ahead of the curve of fullbacks that must be moved to first five!
Such a waste!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
12 - Ardie Savea
What could’ve been…..
The wasteage of not playing Carl Hayman at number 8!
Who was the guy that suggested playing Benny Blair at first five though? Well ahead of the curve of fullbacks that must be moved to first five!
Such a waste!
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
12 - Ardie Savea
What could’ve been…..
The wasteage of not playing Carl Hayman at number 8!
Who was the guy that suggested playing Benny Blair at first five though? Well ahead of the curve of fullbacks that must be moved to first five!
Such a waste!
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
12 - Ardie Savea
What could’ve been…..
The wasteage of not playing Carl Hayman at number 8!
Who was the guy that suggested playing Benny Blair at first five though? Well ahead of the curve of fullbacks that must be moved to first five!
Such a waste!
Jeez, that's some memory you have there, Booboo. He hasn't been online for nearly 20 years......
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
12 - Ardie Savea
What could’ve been…..
The wasteage of not playing Carl Hayman at number 8!
Who was the guy that suggested playing Benny Blair at first five though? Well ahead of the curve of fullbacks that must be moved to first five!
Such a waste!
Jeez, that's some memory you have there, Booboo. He hasn't been online for nearly 20 years......
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Blackdragon was the one who wanted Hayman at 8?
That was a great thread, the height / weight ideal position fucking mess.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Blackdragon was the one who wanted Hayman at 8?
That was a great thread, the height / weight ideal position fucking mess.
Before my time. Sounds like it was up there the speed / weight one from last year.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Blackdragon was the one who wanted Hayman at 8?
That was a great thread, the height / weight ideal position fucking mess.
Before my time. Sounds like it was up there the speed / weight one from last year.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Blackdragon was the one who wanted Hayman at 8?
That was a great thread, the height / weight ideal position fucking mess.
Before my time. Sounds like it was up there the speed / weight one from last year.
Really?
As @gt12 mentions that thread is legendary amongst the ancients on The Fern.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Blackdragon was the one who wanted Hayman at 8?
That was a great thread, the height / weight ideal position fucking mess.
Before my time. Sounds like it was up there the speed / weight one from last year.
Really?
As @gt12 mentions that thread is legendary amongst the ancients on The Fern.
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Blackdragon was the one who wanted Hayman at 8?
That was a great thread, the height / weight ideal position fucking mess.
Before my time. Sounds like it was up there the speed / weight one from last year.
Really?
As @gt12 mentions that thread is legendary amongst the ancients on The Fern.
I was a long-time lurker. who generally logged on for post-match analysis
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Searched for the thread but seems to have disappeared into the mists of interweb obscurity.
Seems you and @blackdragon did overlap a bit though.
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Searched for the thread but seems to have disappeared into the mists of interweb obscurity.
Seems you and @blackdragon did overlap a bit though.
I joined around the time or just before the 2005 Lions tour. Led to The Fern by a kiwi at one of my clients (Merrill Lynch).
Never forgiven the bastard.
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Yeah - Blackdragon was the guy who wanted Hayman at 8.
Ben Blair as a first five was one of mine! It should've happened! An earlier version of DMac?
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Thankfully they saw sense and realized Tupou playing on that injured knee wasn't Vaa'i-able.
Now Scooter better be 100% or there'll be trouble brewing in the Muppet Show.@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Thankfully they saw sense and realized Tupou playing on that injured knee wasn't Vaa'i-able.
Now Scooter better be 100% or there'll be trouble brewing in the Muppet Show.Im sure Skelton will test Scooter out to make sure hes ok.
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