All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II
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Random thought: was impressed with the handling in the second half.
Was hoping we would just bang it into the corners, but holding possession in that weather was impressive.
Did we back off playing on the advantage line a bit because of the rain, thus not putting ourselves under pressure?
(Hear's me talking about us and we
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@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I would beg to disagree - DMac is a very, very average intl 10 who is easily shut down. BB (field kicking aside) is a better option still, though it pains me to say it.
I don't know why our MF looked better than it has all season. But I'd like to see if DMac was part of the answer to that question
Not having a go at Proctor but QT asked questions of the Wallabies.
The five eighths passed to him more in first 20 than they did to Proctor in whole 80!
From my armchair view it just appears that QT runs a better angle, from deeper and with a bit of pace.
QT makes you earn your crust tackling him.
Yeah, he runs good hard direct lines, which helps when the ball gets static. His game looks suited for international rugby.
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Well finished but that scoreline flatters you
Considering we left 9 points on the field with horrible kicking, not really.
20 mins against 14 men and they butchered 10 pts
Congratulations on the moral victory.
Pick your dummy up
Deserved win but scoreline flattered you
Personally don't think it did. Pretty fair reflection overall.
We were well and truly flattered at the break. Shouldn't have been that far in front. But at the end a margin of 2 x converted tries felt about right.
Yeah, I would say the scoreline was about right in terms of reflection. Watching it live, it felt like we were in control of the game in the 2nd half without it being a vintage display. Solid enough compared to some of the crap that has been dished up this year.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Tosi is a must selection on the bench. He constantly made the hard yards. For me, Lomax starts or is not on the team sheet. Having ST, Bower, Tosi, PT and Sititi, all powerful carriers, was the main reason why the All Blacks were dominant during the last quarter. At this level, rugby is a big men game.
Is Lomax just not match fit or has he fallen away? It's hard seeing him surpass Newell now!
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Tosi is a must selection on the bench. He constantly made the hard yards. For me, Lomax starts or is not on the team sheet. Having ST, Bower, Tosi, PT and Sititi, all powerful carriers, was the main reason why the All Blacks were dominant during the last quarter. At this level, rugby is a big men game.
Is Lomax just not match fit or has he fallen away? It's hard seeing him surpass Newell now!
Seems that way, for now at least.
I too, prefer Tosi off the bench with either Newell or Lomax starting. Right now, Newell starts.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Lets stick with Roigard/DMac combo for the EOYT.
QT captain.
Roigard to select the team and run the coaching
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Good day at office.
One real gripe.
Why, why, oh why change out starting front row exactly at the point where we have to defend a 5m lineout and maul?
Ridiculous to ask bench fatties to trot on and immediately have to get everything right.
Did that against Boks in Wellington and was a game changer.
End of rant.
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@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
A conversion miss is definitely more likely to be "points left out there" because it doesn't alter what happens next.
Even then, it can alter mindset. A 4 point lead Vs a 2 point lead can completely change how you feel, how the opposition feel and what you think your options are (unless you're Beauden Barrett, then you've only got 2 options regardless of the situation).
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Lets stick with Roigard/DMac combo for the EOYT.
QT captain.
Roigard to select the team and run the coaching
Roigard 10.
Fakatava to start.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Tosi is a must selection on the bench. He constantly made the hard yards. For me, Lomax starts or is not on the team sheet. Having ST, Bower, Tosi, PT and Sititi, all powerful carriers, was the main reason why the All Blacks were dominant during the last quarter. At this level, rugby is a big men game.
Is Lomax just not match fit or has he fallen away? It's hard seeing him surpass Newell now!
Broken thumb I thought
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Good day at office.
One real gripe.
Why, why, oh why change out starting front row exactly at the point where we have to defend a 5m lineout and maul?
Ridiculous to ask bench fatties to trot on and immediately have to get everything right.
Did that against Boks in Wellington and was a game changer.
End of rant.
The substitutions (other than obviously for injured) are likely all predetermined. It wouldn’t matter how well or poorly someone was playing or what the game situation is - they’ve decided to substitute a player after 55 minutes so that’s what’s going to happen.
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Tosi is a must selection on the bench. He constantly made the hard yards. For me, Lomax starts or is not on the team sheet. Having ST, Bower, Tosi, PT and Sititi, all powerful carriers, was the main reason why the All Blacks were dominant during the last quarter. At this level, rugby is a big men game.
Is Lomax just not match fit or has he fallen away? It's hard seeing him surpass Newell now!
Broken thumb I thought
Having surgery, out for the rest of the season.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I’m starting to think that no matter what player puts on the jersey right now, we aren’t going to see their best because the coaching is just so god damn poor.
Absolute master stroke picking Tupaea at 13 though.
Did he play 13 the night he was Swained?
Wore 23, replaced David Havili at 2nd 5/8.
https://stats.allblacks.com/match-centre/report/All-Blacks-Australia-15-September-2022
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Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester Faingaʻanuku -
@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this ame.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuThat all makes sense.
I like your midfield and this way we get all the good players on the field at once in their best positions. Again, possibly premature to base it on one game but if Tupaea can prove he's equally able at 12/13 it's bye bye ALB.
The issue at 10 is gravely concerning given the WC is two years away and it's fair to say BB and DM are not going to improve with age.
Thank GOD Mounga is coming back ( he said sarcastically ) no need to develop anyone else.
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuAgree with this.
Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.
