NFL 2025
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@mariner4life said in NFL 2025:
Its a typical problem that I think has multiple facets, and thats why its hard to solve.
One is the pay to talent disparity. Edge rushers and difference making interior d-linemen get paid. So that's where the talent goes.
Next is coaching, I am not sure there are a huge amount of really good o-line coaches.
3rd is the weight of expectation. Say there are 30 drop back situations in a game. If you have 3 good edge rushers and they each get to the QB just once, you are really happy as a defense. That means the o-line got it right 27 times, and probably look like they failed.The other thing is college does nothing to prepare OL for the NFL. They play so few true passing sets that basically they have to learn on the fly. In particular the different ineligible downfield receiver rules makes the screen game much more relevant and puts a real emphasis on run blocking over pass blocking.
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They play so few true passing sets that basically they have to learn on the fly.
One thing I do know about the O line is that pass and run plays are quite different as far as the O line is concerned.
And O linemen much prefer the running play, because they can power their way forward, without regard for being ineligible downfield.
Pass protection is more negative (basically just gettin in the way of the D line).
The NFL is a QB league, as compared to College.
More variety of game strategies in College football.
Michigan just "pounded the rock" for a whole game a season or two ago.
O line would have loved it!
I think the Pats did that against the Bills in a snow game too. -
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@ACT-Crusader how about them Broncos?
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@mariner4life said in NFL 2025:
@ACT-Crusader how about them Broncos?
What a 4th by the Bronco’s. We had nothing to stop them.
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the call to go for the 2-pointer was ballsy.
Lots of good defense from both teams but yeah we got off the chain in the 4th.
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Early days but Jaxson Dart is definitely playing a lot better than Cam Ward in the NFL.
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They gotta ban that "tush push" shite.
That's rugby crap, and rugby should f'n ban it too.
Eagles did it 4 times in a row!
Shows you where the Eagles are at right now, if that's all they got.And what about the refs!
The Eagles O line false started every f'n time, and they didn't call it!
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The thing is . . .
If everyone gets good at it . . . you've changed the fabric of the game.
You'll only have to get 7 yards on one play, cos 3 yards on three downs will be automatic.
If they do figure out how to stop it, it aint guna be pretty. Guna see some smashed up centres, cos it's all on the centre.
It's a bit like that in rugby with a lineout maul 5 yards out, should be automatic.I note Kelce, even tho he is in favor, tapped out after one season of it.
They were 2 votes short this year, next year it'll be gone.
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Holy shit the NFL keeps delivering.
Rams should have stomped the injury ravaged 49ers. But damn, game all over hte place, Mac Jones plays brilliantly and it goes to an OT finish. Ridiculous. What a product.
Jones is playing his way back into a starting job next year
Jones is signed to a 2 year deal. Will be interesting to see what happens.
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The tush push success rate is about 85% across the league. The chances of succeeding 3 times in a row is a bit over 60% (for comparison, a regular short yardage play succeeds about 67% of the time). So I don't think there's much risk of teams trying to 'just' get 7 yards.
(Also, getting 7 yards reliably on first down is really hard! If you could do that but, you'd be much better off just doing that again on second down and not worrying about 3rd and 4th downs at all; getting it on 4th down is even harder because then you're forced into a pass and the edges don't have to worry much about setting an edge and can just fly up field)
I think a lot of the chat underestimates how good Hurts is at reading where the space in the line is and keeping low and on his feet. I can't find what the league average excluding the eagles is, but I suspect it wouldn't be much higher than 67%.
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There is only one team that has integrated it fully into their game planning.
So their stats are the only ones i'd consider at present.
Right now, none of the other teams have really used it at all. And some never have.
The thing is, what will the game look like when the rest do, which they will have to eventually, if it stays around.
I think Sirianni even said, "for us it's first and nine, not first and ten."
That's an intrinsic change to the game.From the stats I can see, the Eagles are at 96.6%.
1st and goal at the 4, virtually a guaranteed TD.
Officially it was 3.5 yards for the 4 times in a row series, but it was more than that.The size and play of the QB is important, but the critical part is the O line getting forward momentum, with the focus on the centre.
It's like a rugby scrum with the team putting the ball in deciding when to start the push.
When the initial momentum is gained, almost impossible to stop.
I think Mailata has had a lot of technical input.If I was trying to defend it, I would get the D line to concentrate on the centre.
Get low and just fucking annihilate the fucker, get him out of the game.
And that would be the end of it.
I notice the Eagles centremen had fitness issues last season.
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First and nine sure, being able to reliably convert those short yardage situations is a great tool to have. Doesn't get you to 1st and goal on the 4 yard line though, you still have to have an offence that works.
The Bills are also big users of the play and I think the Bears have run it a few times, neither with the same succes rate as the Eagles.
It's also not like the Eagles are streaking away from the rest of the league - they're coming off back to back losses!
