All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II
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Classic 1 + 1 =3 stuff
Richie plays in Japan = big crowds
NPC rugby in NZ = sometimes near empty stadiumsJoin the two mutually exclusive facts together = Richie doesn’t want to play on front of empty stadiums.
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It’s crap from Knowler.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
It’s crap from Knowler.
Yeah I read that and thought it was a worse than sly attempt at character assassination. Might be true or false for all I know but felt like there was an agenda there.
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Reading through this thread now. Just a comment about Sititi and Lakai, and what is their best positions. When they played together in the 2022 NZ U20s Lakai was the no.8 and Sititi at 7 (Haig was the 6). Sititi's body shape has changed since then, so less suited to being an openside now. It would be good to have a 7 like McReight who constantly puts pressure on the opposition breakdown. Kirifi has found out that being able to do that at test level is much harder than in SR. Papalii isn't that great either, and more a cleaner on our ball than a disruptor.
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Reading through this thread now. Just a comment about Sititi and Lakai, and what is their best positions. When they played together in the 2022 NZ U20s Lakai was the no.8 and Sititi at 7 (Haig was the 6). Sititi's body shape has changed since then, so less suited to being an openside now. It would be good to have a 7 like McReight who constantly puts pressure on the opposition breakdown. Kirifi has found out that being able to do that at test level is much harder than in SR. Papalii isn't that great either, and more a cleaner on our ball than a disruptor.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Bovidae Tavatavanawai into 7?
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Bovidae Tavatavanawai into 7?
Well are there really any technical skills Ardie uses which Jim doesn't have? He's a stronger runner, a harder tackler, and as good on the turnover. No idea how he goes hitting rucks, but if that isn't part of the job description then I'd say all of the strengths you could argue he's better at...
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Reading through this thread now. Just a comment about Sititi and Lakai, and what is their best positions. When they played together in the 2022 NZ U20s Lakai was the no.8 and Sititi at 7 (Haig was the 6). Sititi's body shape has changed since then, so less suited to being an openside now. It would be good to have a 7 like McReight who constantly puts pressure on the opposition breakdown. Kirifi has found out that being able to do that at test level is much harder than in SR. Papalii isn't that great either, and more a cleaner on our ball than a disruptor.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Reading through this thread now. Just a comment about Sititi and Lakai, and what is their best positions. When they played together in the 2022 NZ U20s Lakai was the no.8 and Sititi at 7 (Haig was the 6). Sititi's body shape has changed since then, so less suited to being an openside now. It would be good to have a 7 like McReight who constantly puts pressure on the opposition breakdown. Kirifi has found out that being able to do that at test level is much harder than in SR. Papalii isn't that great either, and more a cleaner on our ball than a disruptor.
Maintaining possession is more important than being disruptors. To be a prominent disruptor your team needs to be defending.
Ultimately there wasn't a high value in McReight putting pressure on the ball because they lost comfortably and they also lost more turnovers. Same with Savea and Kirifi for their respective teams in Super Rugby. They feature high as disruptors in SRP but their teams didn't make it to even the semi's.
The Highlanders have 3 disruptors in the top 10 for SRP and see how much good it did them.
Contrast the Crusaders who won - there wasn't a single Crusaders player in the top 10 disruptors this year.
Likewise for the RWC the Springboks do not rank high in this facet.
https://theanalyst.com/club-rugby-stats
https://dataviz.theanalyst.com/rugby-world-cup--interactive-hub/ -
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Reading through this thread now. Just a comment about Sititi and Lakai, and what is their best positions. When they played together in the 2022 NZ U20s Lakai was the no.8 and Sititi at 7 (Haig was the 6). Sititi's body shape has changed since then, so less suited to being an openside now. It would be good to have a 7 like McReight who constantly puts pressure on the opposition breakdown. Kirifi has found out that being able to do that at test level is much harder than in SR. Papalii isn't that great either, and more a cleaner on our ball than a disruptor.
Maintaining possession is more important than being disruptors. To be a prominent disruptor your team needs to be defending.
Ultimately there wasn't a high value in McReight putting pressure on the ball because they lost comfortably and they also lost more turnovers. Same with Savea and Kirifi for their respective teams in Super Rugby. They feature high as disruptors in SRP but their teams didn't make it to even the semi's.
The Highlanders have 3 disruptors in the top 10 for SRP and see how much good it did them.
Contrast the Crusaders who won - there wasn't a single Crusaders player in the top 10 disruptors this year.
Likewise for the RWC the Springboks do not rank high in this facet.
https://theanalyst.com/club-rugby-stats
https://dataviz.theanalyst.com/rugby-world-cup--interactive-hub/@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
https://theanalyst.com/club-rugby-stats
https://dataviz.theanalyst.com/rugby-world-cup--interactive-hub/As an aside, Cam Roigard looked good in those stats on a per minute basis!
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Reading through this thread now. Just a comment about Sititi and Lakai, and what is their best positions. When they played together in the 2022 NZ U20s Lakai was the no.8 and Sititi at 7 (Haig was the 6). Sititi's body shape has changed since then, so less suited to being an openside now. It would be good to have a 7 like McReight who constantly puts pressure on the opposition breakdown. Kirifi has found out that being able to do that at test level is much harder than in SR. Papalii isn't that great either, and more a cleaner on our ball than a disruptor.
Maintaining possession is more important than being disruptors. To be a prominent disruptor your team needs to be defending.
Ultimately there wasn't a high value in McReight putting pressure on the ball because they lost comfortably and they also lost more turnovers. Same with Savea and Kirifi for their respective teams in Super Rugby. They feature high as disruptors in SRP but their teams didn't make it to even the semi's.
The Highlanders have 3 disruptors in the top 10 for SRP and see how much good it did them.
Contrast the Crusaders who won - there wasn't a single Crusaders player in the top 10 disruptors this year.
Likewise for the RWC the Springboks do not rank high in this facet.
https://theanalyst.com/club-rugby-stats
https://dataviz.theanalyst.com/rugby-world-cup--interactive-hub/@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Contrast the Crusaders who won - there wasn't a single Crusaders player in the top 10 disruptors this year.
We did have two guys in Christie and CLW that played dual disruptor roles.
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Contrast the Crusaders who won - there wasn't a single Crusaders player in the top 10 disruptors this year.
We did have two guys in Christie and CLW that played dual disruptor roles.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Contrast the Crusaders who won - there wasn't a single Crusaders player in the top 10 disruptors this year.
We did have two guys in Christie and CLW that played dual disruptor roles.
Statistically they didn't have the same impact compared to others.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Given the fact that no Barrett can ever be dropped........yes.
Once Richie comes back, watch out Beauden!
Or more accurately, watch out DMac
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Given the fact that no Barrett can ever be dropped........yes.
Once Richie comes back, watch out Beauden!
Or more accurately, watch out DMac
Or watch out Love , they won’t need all 3 in the squad
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Reading through this thread now. Just a comment about Sititi and Lakai, and what is their best positions. When they played together in the 2022 NZ U20s Lakai was the no.8 and Sititi at 7 (Haig was the 6). Sititi's body shape has changed since then, so less suited to being an openside now. It would be good to have a 7 like McReight who constantly puts pressure on the opposition breakdown. Kirifi has found out that being able to do that at test level is much harder than in SR. Papalii isn't that great either, and more a cleaner on our ball than a disruptor.
Maintaining possession is more important than being disruptors. To be a prominent disruptor your team needs to be defending.
Ultimately there wasn't a high value in McReight putting pressure on the ball because they lost comfortably and they also lost more turnovers. Same with Savea and Kirifi for their respective teams in Super Rugby. They feature high as disruptors in SRP but their teams didn't make it to even the semi's.
The Highlanders have 3 disruptors in the top 10 for SRP and see how much good it did them.
Contrast the Crusaders who won - there wasn't a single Crusaders player in the top 10 disruptors this year.
Likewise for the RWC the Springboks do not rank high in this facet.
https://theanalyst.com/club-rugby-stats
https://dataviz.theanalyst.com/rugby-world-cup--interactive-hub/@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Reading through this thread now. Just a comment about Sititi and Lakai, and what is their best positions. When they played together in the 2022 NZ U20s Lakai was the no.8 and Sititi at 7 (Haig was the 6). Sititi's body shape has changed since then, so less suited to being an openside now. It would be good to have a 7 like McReight who constantly puts pressure on the opposition breakdown. Kirifi has found out that being able to do that at test level is much harder than in SR. Papalii isn't that great either, and more a cleaner on our ball than a disruptor.
Maintaining possession is more important than being disruptors. To be a prominent disruptor your team needs to be defending.
Ultimately there wasn't a high value in McReight putting pressure on the ball because they lost comfortably and they also lost more turnovers. Same with Savea and Kirifi for their respective teams in Super Rugby. They feature high as disruptors in SRP but their teams didn't make it to even the semi's.
The Highlanders have 3 disruptors in the top 10 for SRP and see how much good it did them.
Contrast the Crusaders who won - there wasn't a single Crusaders player in the top 10 disruptors this year.
Likewise for the RWC the Springboks do not rank high in this facet.
https://theanalyst.com/club-rugby-stats
https://dataviz.theanalyst.com/rugby-world-cup--interactive-hub/If you were making a loose trio out of those who play in Super Rugby, I think most people would opt for McReight at 7 and Wilson at 8.
There's your answer.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Contrast the Crusaders who won - there wasn't a single Crusaders player in the top 10 disruptors this year.
We did have two guys in Christie and CLW that played dual disruptor roles.
Statistically they didn't have the same impact compared to others.
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Contrast the Crusaders who won - there wasn't a single Crusaders player in the top 10 disruptors this year.
We did have two guys in Christie and CLW that played dual disruptor roles.
Statistically they didn't have the same impact compared to others.
But there is a chicken or egg problem here: e.g. the Highlanders were shit, so they were always on defence, so their players made a lot of tackles and attended a lot of defensive rucks. Being in a losing team doesn't make them bad players, and it doesn't make them players who can only perform defensively - that's just what the job was.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Bovidae Tavatavanawai into 7?
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Bovidae Tavatavanawai into 7?
Well are there really any technical skills Ardie uses which Jim doesn't have? He's a stronger runner, a harder tackler, and as good on the turnover. No idea how he goes hitting rucks, but if that isn't part of the job description then I'd say all of the strengths you could argue he's better at...
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Well are there really any technical skills Ardie uses which Jim doesn't have?
Chip kicks.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Well are there really any technical skills Ardie uses which Jim doesn't have?
Chip kicks.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Well are there really any technical skills Ardie uses which Jim doesn't have?
Chip kicks.
I think Big Jim can/has done those actually. But not as much fun as going through them.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Reading through this thread now. Just a comment about Sititi and Lakai, and what is their best positions. When they played together in the 2022 NZ U20s Lakai was the no.8 and Sititi at 7 (Haig was the 6). Sititi's body shape has changed since then, so less suited to being an openside now. It would be good to have a 7 like McReight who constantly puts pressure on the opposition breakdown. Kirifi has found out that being able to do that at test level is much harder than in SR. Papalii isn't that great either, and more a cleaner on our ball than a disruptor.
Maintaining possession is more important than being disruptors. To be a prominent disruptor your team needs to be defending.
Ultimately there wasn't a high value in McReight putting pressure on the ball because they lost comfortably and they also lost more turnovers. Same with Savea and Kirifi for their respective teams in Super Rugby. They feature high as disruptors in SRP but their teams didn't make it to even the semi's.
The Highlanders have 3 disruptors in the top 10 for SRP and see how much good it did them.
Contrast the Crusaders who won - there wasn't a single Crusaders player in the top 10 disruptors this year.
Likewise for the RWC the Springboks do not rank high in this facet.
https://theanalyst.com/club-rugby-stats
https://dataviz.theanalyst.com/rugby-world-cup--interactive-hub/@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Maintaining possession is more important than being disruptors. To be a prominent disruptor your team needs to be defending.
Obviously you don't have 100% possession so it helps to have at least one loose forward who can be a pest at the breakdown. They don't have to win numerous turnovers just slow the recycling of the ball enough for your defensive line to re-set. Christie is a good example of that in SR/NPC as his main trick is to get his hands on the ball and then look at the ref all innocent before being told to either release it, if he doesn't win a penalty. McReight is similar.
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If we were looking for a disruptor, then Jacobson could be the glue guy who does that role at 7. Who would you suggest?
@gt12 Jacobson is one of the better NZ loosies at winning breakdown turnovers, although I don't think he has started many games for the ABs at 7. The AB stats page is so shit now to check. Lakai could be the long-term answer but would need to modify his game at 7.
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@gt12 Jacobson is one of the better NZ loosies at winning breakdown turnovers, although I don't think he has started many games for the ABs at 7. The AB stats page is so shit now to check. Lakai could be the long-term answer but would need to modify his game at 7.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@gt12 Jacobson is one of the better NZ loosies at winning breakdown turnovers, although I don't think he has started many games for the ABs at 7. The AB stats page is so shit now to check. Lakai could be the long-term answer but would need to modify his game at 7.
Jacobson hasn't started any matches at 7 for the All Blacks. Would definitely be worth a shot between Parker and another big body at 8.
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The two best at disrupting the breakdown and winning turnovers were easily Savea and Kirifi in SRP. We tried them and they didn't exactly set the world on fire as a combo. Its just not an area where you need more than one guy. For us its Savea. For South Africa its Kwaga Smith for 30 minutes.
South Africa have a team of forwards who dominate collisions as a priority.
