NFL 2025
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Holy shit the NFL keeps delivering.
Rams should have stomped the injury ravaged 49ers. But damn, game all over hte place, Mac Jones plays brilliantly and it goes to an OT finish. Ridiculous. What a product.
Jones is playing his way back into a starting job next year
Jones is signed to a 2 year deal. Will be interesting to see what happens.
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The tush push success rate is about 85% across the league. The chances of succeeding 3 times in a row is a bit over 60% (for comparison, a regular short yardage play succeeds about 67% of the time). So I don't think there's much risk of teams trying to 'just' get 7 yards.
(Also, getting 7 yards reliably on first down is really hard! If you could do that but, you'd be much better off just doing that again on second down and not worrying about 3rd and 4th downs at all; getting it on 4th down is even harder because then you're forced into a pass and the edges don't have to worry much about setting an edge and can just fly up field)
I think a lot of the chat underestimates how good Hurts is at reading where the space in the line is and keeping low and on his feet. I can't find what the league average excluding the eagles is, but I suspect it wouldn't be much higher than 67%.
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There is only one team that has integrated it fully into their game planning.
So their stats are the only ones i'd consider at present.
Right now, none of the other teams have really used it at all. And some never have.
The thing is, what will the game look like when the rest do, which they will have to eventually, if it stays around.
I think Sirianni even said, "for us it's first and nine, not first and ten."
That's an intrinsic change to the game.From the stats I can see, the Eagles are at 96.6%.
1st and goal at the 4, virtually a guaranteed TD.
Officially it was 3.5 yards for the 4 times in a row series, but it was more than that.The size and play of the QB is important, but the critical part is the O line getting forward momentum, with the focus on the centre.
It's like a rugby scrum with the team putting the ball in deciding when to start the push.
When the initial momentum is gained, almost impossible to stop.
I think Mailata has had a lot of technical input.If I was trying to defend it, I would get the D line to concentrate on the centre.
Get low and just fucking annihilate the fucker, get him out of the game.
And that would be the end of it.
I notice the Eagles centremen had fitness issues last season.
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First and nine sure, being able to reliably convert those short yardage situations is a great tool to have. Doesn't get you to 1st and goal on the 4 yard line though, you still have to have an offence that works.
The Bills are also big users of the play and I think the Bears have run it a few times, neither with the same succes rate as the Eagles.
It's also not like the Eagles are streaking away from the rest of the league - they're coming off back to back losses!
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Well if they are 2nd and three anywhere on the field; they're guaranteed 1st down.
Now that'd be nice.
All the other teams will not be able to let them get away with that forever.I note some coaches are not doing it on "principal" which is a bit surprising in a not for long type league.
With Saquon not doin it right now, all the Eagles got is the "tush push."
A bit pathetic to watch really.I'd say it got them a SB last season. . .
I'll re-phrase that . . . it guaranteed them a SB last season . . . saquon was very good last year.
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I mean, sure if you want to run 3 straight plays for a 3-4 yards. And if that's a 4m drill or 1st and goal or something that's very valuable. If you're at your own 32 that's less useful.
I can't remember what the average starting field position is, but let's say it's about the 35. That's 65 yards, or 6 first downs. With 7+1+1+1 you need to convert the tush push 18 times. Even with a 96% success rate, you're less than 50% to convert 18 times in a row.
Don't get me wrong, short yardage situations are important and in a close match might be decisive. It might be the difference between winning and losing a very close superbowl (or a blown call, or how a fumble bounces, or a ridiculous one handed catch). But in the NFL close games are basically coin flips - when you have two evenlish matched teams a couple of plays are generally the difference. But over the scope of a season, the 'mean play' is far more important. The Eagles DL getting on top of the opposition OL. Saquon running all day. Hurts being an effective passer (and AJ Brown being a top 5 receiver). That's what gets them into a position where they're a couple of yards short. In games where they fail to do the basics first, it doesn't matter how many guaranteed one yard gains they get, they'll still lose.
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oof, i feel for the London fans that had to watch the Broncos and the Jets. Defensive masterclass from the Broncos, 9 sacks, -10 passing yards. But the offence did not do it's part and in the end Denver win by 2.
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That looked gross
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@mariner4life said in NFL 2025:
oof, i feel for the London fans that had to watch the Broncos and the Jets. Defensive masterclass from the Broncos, 9 sacks, -10 passing yards. But the offence did not do it's part and in the end Denver win by 2.
I watched the game.
So. Many. Punts. And holy crap Fields was awful.
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Fuck they have a lot of money in American football.
Not NFL but College.
James Franklin out as Penn State HC.
$49 million buy-out!
Penn State was ranked No. 3 in the country 15 days ago!Not the record buy out either; Texas A&M payed 76 mil to get rid of one of their coaches.
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Some times you just need to burn up the clock (to keep the ball out the hands of some fucker like P Mahomes).
I'd say the Eagles actually train for this.
With this play; and all other things being equal; like the Eagles offense reverting to the mean, they'll be just about unbeatable.And all the rest of the teams will simply have to follow. It's a copy-cat league.
And the game as a spectacle will be different.
And the NFL are very cognisant of how their game presents. Not like say Rugby union for example.
The only surprising thing about this play, is that the rest of the teams are not working on it already.The Bills use it most of all the other teams; and I note they were one of the teams that voted to ban it at the meeting a few months ago.
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what even is this season?
The Giants pumped the Eagles
The Jags a week ago beat the Chiefs, this week lose to the Seahawks
The Ravens stink!
The Falcons beat the Bills!
The Bears won!The fucking Patriots are back at the top of the AFC East
The Colts are the 1 seed of the AFC
The Bucs are the 1 seed of the NFC
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@mariner4life how good.
And the first coach firing too!
And Indiana Jones is reborn.
It's ridiculous fun. Loving it.
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Hahah
They had to fire him.
Vrabel is coming to town with the Pats this weekend.
Vrabel was the previous coach. And the Titans sacked him for fuck all reason.
He was popular with the fans; and is doing a great job at the Pats.
I think the Titans owner (female) didn’t like him.
The popular sacked coach comes back to town and deals to them.
The crowd will go off their f’ing heads if they get whacked on Sunday.
