All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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Pity Cheika has chosen to whinge. His team selection was good: best balanced this year. They certainly had ABs under cosh, and had certain players not made stupid errors it would have been very tasty indeed. So plaudits to him and his team for coaching, but nil points for PR.
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@Stockcar86 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
That is shit from the Herald. Really shit. Moore had every right to be pissed off.
I agree, Savea was pushed twice and the first time he was a lot closer to the runner-give that man a Speights.
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Bloody hell the Bledisloe next year is going to be tasty...two games in Aus as well...
Wallabies looked pretty bloody good for most of that game but still came up short. Pretty pumped the All Blacks knocked off that 17 win marker and hope they kick on for a few more.
This whole disallowed try and the news paper cartoon (what a shit idea), seems to be really casting shadow over the series this year.
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Christ, is Cheika for real? I've been reading the SMH and the Grauniad and all, and he's spat the dummy big time. What a petulant child. He seems to be calling the NZH a propaganda arm of the All Blacks, as though Hansen ordered a derogatory depiction to be published (and make no mistake, the clown thing is fucking awful and downright rude) and then planted the bguging story on the day of a test match. Then advising all and sundry that some grudge exists between the teams basically because one team beats the other one up all the time.
If so, this is embarrassing for him and his employers. You can't mask your team's failures by having a go at the foreign media. It smacks of paranoia.
Jeez, every team in test rugby not wearing black is only gunning for the silver medal at the moment. His boys basically put in a pretty solid performance, encouraging even, and surely Cheika might have just got a few things right tactically and selectorially last night.
But he wants to pull that shit?
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I got shot down earlier in the year for suggesting that Cheika's manner, attitude and sloppy look rubs off on the team. I still think it is true. If your coach is constantly looking to blame other things and pulling faces at decisions that gives the players an easy out despite him then claiming responsibility for mistakes. It is mixed message stuff.
And yet, that is probably the best we've played all year.
I'm not sure if that was a sarcastic comment or not.
As has been stated many times by the AB coaches when asked about their recipe for success, they talk about the little mental things, the way players react in the moment etc.
That non-try had a bigger effect on the Wobs than it needed to because afterwards many of them acted just like the example their coach sets. Too busy wanting to blame anyone other than themselves.Now look for example at how Read dealt with being penalised for a bit of push and shove even though he was on the wrong end of the ref trying to stamp it out and it was the opposition instigating the majority of off the ball stuff. He just shut up, sucked it up, apologised to the team and told them what they were now going to do.
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Now look for example at how Read dealt with being penalised for a bit of push and shove even though he was on the wrong end of the ref trying to stamp it out and it was the opposition instigating the majority of off the ball stuff. He just shut up, sucked it up, apologised to the team and told them what they were now going to do.
that's some pretty one-eyed stuff there crucial. read gave away a dumb, lack of discipline type penalty. painting anything out of that as positive, or as showing maturity or superior discipline is a bit too much of a stretch for me.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Now look for example at how Read dealt with being penalised for a bit of push and shove even though he was on the wrong end of the ref trying to stamp it out and it was the opposition instigating the majority of off the ball stuff. He just shut up, sucked it up, apologised to the team and told them what they were now going to do.
that's some pretty one-eyed stuff there crucial. read gave away a dumb, lack of discipline type penalty. painting anything out of that as positive, or as showing maturity or superior discipline is a bit too much of a stretch for me.
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Now look for example at how Read dealt with being penalised for a bit of push and shove even though he was on the wrong end of the ref trying to stamp it out and it was the opposition instigating the majority of off the ball stuff. He just shut up, sucked it up, apologised to the team and told them what they were now going to do.
that's some pretty one-eyed stuff there crucial. read gave away a dumb, lack of discipline type penalty. painting anything out of that as positive, or as showing maturity or superior discipline is a bit too much of a stretch for me.
I still haven't seen what exactly Read was meant to have done there but it was pretty stupid after the ref had warned him.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
Wondering about this.
Beaudy was pretty ordinary in the first part of the Super season. Came right in the ABs camp, but he seems to be regressing.
I wonder how long the coaches will put up with substandard goal kicking - eventually it will cost us a match, so he needs to sort it - otherwise he'll have to be relegated to super-sub status again.
@Chris-B.
Barrett regressing ?
I have watched the Durban game two times and if you had done the same, you could have seen him tear the SA defence on his own on multiple occasions. He was involved and prominent in most of the tries.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Now look for example at how Read dealt with being penalised for a bit of push and shove even though he was on the wrong end of the ref trying to stamp it out and it was the opposition instigating the majority of off the ball stuff. He just shut up, sucked it up, apologised to the team and told them what they were now going to do.
that's some pretty one-eyed stuff there crucial. read gave away a dumb, lack of discipline type penalty. painting anything out of that as positive, or as showing maturity or superior discipline is a bit too much of a stretch for me.
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Now look for example at how Read dealt with being penalised for a bit of push and shove even though he was on the wrong end of the ref trying to stamp it out and it was the opposition instigating the majority of off the ball stuff. He just shut up, sucked it up, apologised to the team and told them what they were now going to do.
that's some pretty one-eyed stuff there crucial. read gave away a dumb, lack of discipline type penalty. painting anything out of that as positive, or as showing maturity or superior discipline is a bit too much of a stretch for me.
I was referring to how they handled the situation after doing something stupid. I thought there was a big contrast between how we reacted and how Straya reacted after decisions. My point was that kind of thing filters down from the coach as a behaviour
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Christ, is Cheika for real? I've been reading the SMH and the Grauniad and all, and he's spat the dummy big time. What a petulant child. He seems to be calling the NZH a propaganda arm of the All Blacks, as though Hansen ordered a derogatory depiction to be published (and make no mistake, the clown thing is fucking awful and downright rude) and then planted the bguging story on the day of a test match. Then advising all and sundry that some grudge exists between the teams basically because one team beats the other one up all the time.
If so, this is embarrassing for him and his employers. You can't mask your team's failures by having a go at the foreign media. It smacks of paranoia.
Jeez, every team in test rugby not wearing black is only gunning for the silver medal at the moment. His boys basically put in a pretty solid performance, encouraging even, and surely Cheika might have just got a few things right tactically and selectorially last night.
But he wants to pull that shit?
@Tregaskis said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Christ, is Cheika for real? I've been reading the SMH and the Grauniad and all, and he's spat the dummy big time. What a petulant child. He seems to be calling the NZH a propaganda arm of the All Blacks, as though Hansen ordered a derogatory depiction to be published (and make no mistake, the clown thing is fucking awful and downright rude) and then planted the bguging story on the day of a test match. Then advising all and sundry that some grudge exists between the teams basically because one team beats the other one up all the time.
If so, this is embarrassing for him and his employers. You can't mask your team's failures by having a go at the foreign media. It smacks of paranoia.
Jeez, every team in test rugby not wearing black is only gunning for the silver medal at the moment. His boys basically put in a pretty solid performance, encouraging even, and surely Cheika might have just got a few things right tactically and selectorially last night.
But he wants to pull that shit?
I'm sure that if you reversed the two non-try incidents (ignore the forward pass one, even the players involved knew that was forward) you would see the same amount of moaning. Crusty would be complaining that a player was taken out in the chase and that a player was impeded in trying to get to the ball.
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that was a try any day of the week as far as i'm concerned. just watched a replay to confirm my thoughts at the time. shit call.
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
that was a try any day of the week as far as i'm concerned. just watched a replay to confirm my thoughts at the time. shit call.
It's a shit call because he ruled on the laws of the game and not on how reprobate's crystal ball deems an outcome? Righto...
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Wow! Cheika is having a meltdown! He has basically lost the plot and it seems rather than reign him in, Moore is actually encouraging him. The Wobs might need a Tana type to say, "Pull your head in Krusty, it is embarrassing".
I actually thought Brodie was pulling a "Ronaldo" and was yelling for Owens to give him a yellow. We have got to stamp that shit out! But it seems he was smacked good and proper. I hope so anyway in a weird, funny sort of way..... -
Good to get the win and the Tier 1 record.
You could definitely see the lower intensity that comes with these dead rubber games even with the record on the line though.Wallabies were a lot better with ball in hand this time. Folau looked decent for the first time in a long time (still doesn't match the hype though).
Wallabies were able to hold onto the ball longer and made metres going direct. However i don't remember them ever building sustained attacking pressure deep in our 22 and other than their non try they didn't look that likely to add to their one try.Just on their disallowed try: i think the right call was made. As shitty as some people think it is and how the "vibe" is wrong, the fact is that dhp clearly changed his line and reached out to impeed Savea. Stupid move because there was a 90% chance he was in for the try anyway.
If we want to get into 'what ifs' then there was a missed penalty right before their first try where a wallabie comes straight in the side of the ruck. Seconds later they score.
Not to mention the forward pass from cruden that is let go 99% of the time or Foley getting grabby with Coles for that non try.
Having said that. It was a 27 point win. The game didn't change on one call. It changed because the ABs got some possession and used it.Todd was a lot better in this game than the SA game i thought. Some good tackling, despite tge miss, and a couple of good turnovers.
Speaking of turnovers. Pocock showed exactly what he cops criticism on here for. First touch is a turnover penalty. Minutes later he carries the ball up in the AB 22 and is shunted back 5m. Thought their back tow balance was a lot better that poopah. I think fardy at 6 instead of mumm would be even better.
Savea has copped shit again. A few errors but he turned it on and ended the game as a contest. That try where he bumped the last two guys was a pleasure to watch.
Ps. Fuck Cheika. Classless whinging prick.
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Away from the sideshows and hopefully to generate discussion other than Cheika, I did think that the Wobs gave a taste of what we can expect from a firing opposition and showed up all of my pre-match concerns.
Imagine you are Eddie Jones and there was an England/AB test on this EOYT. You'd be following the same game plan with a better coached team and better personnel. You'd be running big munters up the guts to get over the gain line. Be looking at targeting our midfield for easy bending. Would be pulling out every scrum trick in the book (as we still sometime come across as bewildered with some of the rulings that go against us). With Farrell kicking they would be keeping pressure on a lot more than Oz did.
I'll give BB benefit of the doubt due to illness but my fear of him not taking control in this type of game came to fruition. I understand the argument that he didm't get much ball to use but that could also mean that he didn't impose himself and demand it (as DC would have done in the past).
I also find it funny how before the match everyone was bitching about Julian's selection and afterward voting for him in MOTM votes. He did exactly the thing I wanted to see him there to do. A Lomu-esque run to break the game open. I haven't seen Naholo do that. -
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Did anyone else think the way Coles went for the try in the race with Foley was strange? He knew foley was there because he looked when the were chasing. But he sort of went knees first leaning backwards rather than lunging forward. Meant he gave up the metre or so head start he had and foley got there first.Also thought the Read penalty after the try was harsh. Sure they had a warning but there was plenty of push and dhove through the rest of the game that was let go.
Loved the scrum work too.
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Forgot to add.
Did anyone else think the way Coles went for the try in the race with Foley was strange? He knew foley was there because he looked when the were chasing. But he sort of went knees first leaning backwards rather than lunging forward. Meant he gave up the metre or so head start he had and foley got there first.Also thought the Read penalty after the try was harsh. Sure they had a warning but there was plenty of push and dhove through the rest of the game that was let go.
Loved the scrum work too.
@pukunui said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Forgot to add.
Did anyone else think the way Coles went for the try in the race with Foley was strange? He knew foley was there because he looked when the were chasing. But he sort of went knees first leaning backwards rather than lunging forward. Meant he gave up the metre or so head start he had and foley got there first.I think he judged it best to try and get his body between Foley and the ball. I need to see it again but I think the ball moved away from him.
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For those thinking the penalty on Read was harsh, what the bloody hell do they think is the point of a warning?
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
For those thinking the penalty on Read was harsh, what the bloody hell do they think is the point of a warning?
Agree, he was stupid to do anything after Owens had declared obvious intent that he was going to clamp down on off the ball stuff. The fact that Oz were the biggest culprits and escaped punishment is moot.
