All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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I think if you brought in that rule it'd result in an unending string of engagement penalties, just a massive incentive suddenly - especially when a side have a defensive scrum near their line, to go a fraction early.
And you'd get a shit ton of free kicks from the 9 not putting it in.
I'd rather they just let the 2 scrums arm wrestle till either they hook it or one of the sets of props collapses from exhaustion
Cheika I thought he was a character but blaming the bugging and the NZ Herald cartoon on the All Blacks when as far as I know they never blamed the bugging or the Richie grubs cartoons on the Wallabies showed not only Cheika is a complete whinger. but also that the opposition can get under his skin. I should have guessed he has a thin skin-Eddie Jones knew this all along.
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Cheika I thought he was a character but blaming the bugging and the NZ Herald cartoon on the All Blacks when as far as I know they never blamed the bugging or the Richie grubs cartoons on the Wallabies showed not only Cheika is a complete whinger. but also that the opposition can get under his skin. I should have guessed he has a thin skin-Eddie Jones knew this all along.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Cheika I thought he was a character but blaming the bugging and the NZ Herald cartoon on the All Blacks when as far as I know they never blamed the bugging or the Richie grubs cartoons on the Wallabies showed not only Cheika is a complete whinger. but also that the opposition can get under his skin. I should have guessed he has a thin skin-Eddie Jones knew this all along.
Not one to hold a grudge ol' Cheika - the bugging thing hasn't been mentioned in how long?
Must come with the territory though as I'm pretty sure Hansen's post-match presser he was giving it to the Aussie media saying how the victory finally atoned for injustices of the 2003 sub hosting double cross.
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Cheika is no good for the Wallabies, he's just an angry individual which is no good for the team. Eddie played him like a bloody fish and took full advantage and he'll do it again. If you ask me, the captain and the coach need to be dropped for the Wallabies to progress. I think it's a forgone conclusion that the Wallabies will lose two on this northern tour.
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Just to add to this, but the Aussies have always performed best when they've had intelligent & astute coaches. Dwyer, McQueen and cough Jones spring to mind. I don't know what other coaches are out there but one who focuses on their own issues would be great start!
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Rod Kafer column: Nigel Owens was very poor and changed the course of the Test match
Source: FOX SPORTS
IN the heat of battle on Saturday night I said that Nigel Owens should never referee a Test again.
Well, on reflection, I think that Nigel should get the opportunity to referee again, because I’m sure he’d like to do a better job.
I do regret saying that, because he has been a great servant to the game, but I thought that his performance was very poor that night.
Australia has got a particularly poor record with Nigel as a referee and I didn’t think that All Blacks 37, Wallabies 10 was reflective of how close the game was.
Key moments in games can have a massive impact on the result and the Henry Speight no-try decision was a key moment.
MY SIDELINE EYE
I was sitting on the Eden Park 22m line for that incident and in the lead-up to that break, Kieran Read changed his line to block Dane Haylett-Petty.
Both Read and Julian Savea grab Haylett-Petty but the Kiwi crowd was incensed as the host broadcaster kept showing replays of the Haylett-Petty/Savea contact on the big screen.
They don’t go back two seconds before to show that it should have been advantage to Australia because Haylett-Petty was pulled back.
EVEN THE KIWIS THOUGHT IT STUNK
I went back and listened to the New Zealand commentary and had a beer with Justin Marshall afterwards — he was adamant that it was a try.
Their whole commentary team thought it was a try — they couldn’t believe the try was overturned.
Jonathan Kaplan came out, everyone believed it was a try — there was no chance Savea was going to make that tackle.
Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction.
NOT THE ONLY HOWLER
Making matters worse was the fact that a Savea try was allowed to stand after Scott Sio had his heels clipped by Aaron Cruden.
I thought both the Speight and Savea tries should have been awarded but where is the consistency?
Sio was in a position to pick that ball up but there were no replays at the ground and all of a sudden Cruden has kicked the conversion before the referee and TMO Shaun Veldsman can review it.
Cruden’s trip was accidental but he obstructed a player by changing his line and to a player who was going for the ball.
You can’t apply the law on one instance, when it suits the All Blacks and the local crowd, and not apply it in the same game, 10 minutes later for the other team.
MY TAKE ON CLOWN-GATE
The All Blacks aren’t in control of what the media write, but they’ve got a close relationship with the New Zealand Herald.
There are stories in the Herald that are very closely linked to the All Blacks — but I’m not suggesting they had anything to do with that Michael Cheika clown cartoon.
It’s a bit of foolish fun but I was also disappointed with the ‘Richetty Grub’ dig at Richie McCaw in Australian papers last year.
I don’t think that’s respectful to one of the great players of the game.
I’ve been a great supporter of McCaw’s over the years, he’s one of the greatest footballers I’ve ever had the privilege to watch.
This is an amazing All Blacks team but rugby probably doesn’t need this sideshow.
REASONS FOR HOPE
All of the drama has overshadowed what was a much improved performance by the Wallabies.
We had seven players with less than nine caps in our starting XV which is remarkably inexperienced.
They played with no fear and were in the contest, right up until the Speight no-try.
I know people will say we got beaten by 27 points — but moments like that in Test matches can change momentum.
This Wallabies team were very close.
We tested the All Blacks like they haven’t been tested for some time and that’s a really good sign.
I’ve got a lot of hope for the tour of Europe.
@Unite said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Rod Kafer column: Nigel Owens was very poor and changed the course of the Test match
Source: FOX SPORTS
IN the heat of battle on Saturday night I said that Nigel Owens should never referee a Test again.
Well, on reflection, I think that Nigel should get the opportunity to referee again, because I’m sure he’d like to do a better job.
I do regret saying that, because he has been a great servant to the game, but I thought that his performance was very poor that night.
Australia has got a particularly poor record with Nigel as a referee and I didn’t think that All Blacks 37, Wallabies 10 was reflective of how close the game was.
Key moments in games can have a massive impact on the result and the Henry Speight no-try decision was a key moment.
MY SIDELINE EYE
I was sitting on the Eden Park 22m line for that incident and in the lead-up to that break, Kieran Read changed his line to block Dane Haylett-Petty.
Both Read and Julian Savea grab Haylett-Petty but the Kiwi crowd was incensed as the host broadcaster kept showing replays of the Haylett-Petty/Savea contact on the big screen.
They don’t go back two seconds before to show that it should have been advantage to Australia because Haylett-Petty was pulled back.
EVEN THE KIWIS THOUGHT IT STUNK
I went back and listened to the New Zealand commentary and had a beer with Justin Marshall afterwards — he was adamant that it was a try.
Their whole commentary team thought it was a try — they couldn’t believe the try was overturned.
Jonathan Kaplan came out, everyone believed it was a try — there was no chance Savea was going to make that tackle.
Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction.
NOT THE ONLY HOWLER
Making matters worse was the fact that a Savea try was allowed to stand after Scott Sio had his heels clipped by Aaron Cruden.
I thought both the Speight and Savea tries should have been awarded but where is the consistency?
Sio was in a position to pick that ball up but there were no replays at the ground and all of a sudden Cruden has kicked the conversion before the referee and TMO Shaun Veldsman can review it.
Cruden’s trip was accidental but he obstructed a player by changing his line and to a player who was going for the ball.
You can’t apply the law on one instance, when it suits the All Blacks and the local crowd, and not apply it in the same game, 10 minutes later for the other team.
MY TAKE ON CLOWN-GATE
The All Blacks aren’t in control of what the media write, but they’ve got a close relationship with the New Zealand Herald.
There are stories in the Herald that are very closely linked to the All Blacks — but I’m not suggesting they had anything to do with that Michael Cheika clown cartoon.
It’s a bit of foolish fun but I was also disappointed with the ‘Richetty Grub’ dig at Richie McCaw in Australian papers last year.
I don’t think that’s respectful to one of the great players of the game.
I’ve been a great supporter of McCaw’s over the years, he’s one of the greatest footballers I’ve ever had the privilege to watch.
This is an amazing All Blacks team but rugby probably doesn’t need this sideshow.
REASONS FOR HOPE
All of the drama has overshadowed what was a much improved performance by the Wallabies.
We had seven players with less than nine caps in our starting XV which is remarkably inexperienced.
They played with no fear and were in the contest, right up until the Speight no-try.
I know people will say we got beaten by 27 points — but moments like that in Test matches can change momentum.
This Wallabies team were very close.
We tested the All Blacks like they haven’t been tested for some time and that’s a really good sign.
I’ve got a lot of hope for the tour of Europe.
I don't see a whole lot wrong wtih that article? He apologises for something he said but stands by the claim that he and his NZ peers thought it was a try?
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He uses Justin Marshall to back up his view, so we know he's grasping at straws
....so what they did get wrong was it shoulda been a penalty to Aus, not us then, cos if they had an advantage you call it back when they then do something to lose the advantage.Funnily, if Julian had done a better job of holding DHP back, then he wouldn't of been in a position to push him, and as such Julian probably wouldn't have got Speight, try Aus!
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Rod Kafer was an average centre at best and is an average reporter. He has been affected by working with Kearns and he has consistently been a sore loser all season. THE AUSSIES REALLY ARE SORE LOSERS. Could you imagine if this was the cricket team.
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I somehow used to hate Ewen McKenzie as the Wallabies coach, but I think that was purely due to him having coached the Reds back then, the fuckiest fucks of teams in Super Rugby. I retrospectively learned to appreciate Mr McKenzie now. Michael Cheika is a terrible excuse of a coach as far as personal conduct is concerned, especially after losing (which he should be quite used to by now).
I think the Speight non-try was a bad call, but you win some, you lose some. It's just after every single Wallabies loss Cheika comes up with some excuse and makes it about something that it shouldn't be.
He acts like a 60 year old who visits the internet for the first time and gets offended about some crap cartoon about something irrelevant. What a dickfuck
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@Unite said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Rod Kafer column: Nigel Owens was very poor and changed the course of the Test match
Source: FOX SPORTS
IN the heat of battle on Saturday night I said that Nigel Owens should never referee a Test again.
Well, on reflection, I think that Nigel should get the opportunity to referee again, because I’m sure he’d like to do a better job.
I do regret saying that, because he has been a great servant to the game, but I thought that his performance was very poor that night.
Australia has got a particularly poor record with Nigel as a referee and I didn’t think that All Blacks 37, Wallabies 10 was reflective of how close the game was.
Key moments in games can have a massive impact on the result and the Henry Speight no-try decision was a key moment.
MY SIDELINE EYE
I was sitting on the Eden Park 22m line for that incident and in the lead-up to that break, Kieran Read changed his line to block Dane Haylett-Petty.
Both Read and Julian Savea grab Haylett-Petty but the Kiwi crowd was incensed as the host broadcaster kept showing replays of the Haylett-Petty/Savea contact on the big screen.
They don’t go back two seconds before to show that it should have been advantage to Australia because Haylett-Petty was pulled back.
EVEN THE KIWIS THOUGHT IT STUNK
I went back and listened to the New Zealand commentary and had a beer with Justin Marshall afterwards — he was adamant that it was a try.
Their whole commentary team thought it was a try — they couldn’t believe the try was overturned.
Jonathan Kaplan came out, everyone believed it was a try — there was no chance Savea was going to make that tackle.
Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction.
NOT THE ONLY HOWLER
Making matters worse was the fact that a Savea try was allowed to stand after Scott Sio had his heels clipped by Aaron Cruden.
I thought both the Speight and Savea tries should have been awarded but where is the consistency?
Sio was in a position to pick that ball up but there were no replays at the ground and all of a sudden Cruden has kicked the conversion before the referee and TMO Shaun Veldsman can review it.
Cruden’s trip was accidental but he obstructed a player by changing his line and to a player who was going for the ball.
You can’t apply the law on one instance, when it suits the All Blacks and the local crowd, and not apply it in the same game, 10 minutes later for the other team.
MY TAKE ON CLOWN-GATE
The All Blacks aren’t in control of what the media write, but they’ve got a close relationship with the New Zealand Herald.
There are stories in the Herald that are very closely linked to the All Blacks — but I’m not suggesting they had anything to do with that Michael Cheika clown cartoon.
It’s a bit of foolish fun but I was also disappointed with the ‘Richetty Grub’ dig at Richie McCaw in Australian papers last year.
I don’t think that’s respectful to one of the great players of the game.
I’ve been a great supporter of McCaw’s over the years, he’s one of the greatest footballers I’ve ever had the privilege to watch.
This is an amazing All Blacks team but rugby probably doesn’t need this sideshow.
REASONS FOR HOPE
All of the drama has overshadowed what was a much improved performance by the Wallabies.
We had seven players with less than nine caps in our starting XV which is remarkably inexperienced.
They played with no fear and were in the contest, right up until the Speight no-try.
I know people will say we got beaten by 27 points — but moments like that in Test matches can change momentum.
This Wallabies team were very close.
We tested the All Blacks like they haven’t been tested for some time and that’s a really good sign.
I’ve got a lot of hope for the tour of Europe.
I don't see a whole lot wrong wtih that article? He apologises for something he said but stands by the claim that he and his NZ peers thought it was a try?
@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Unite said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Rod Kafer column: Nigel Owens was very poor and changed the course of the Test match
Source: FOX SPORTS
IN the heat of battle on Saturday night I said that Nigel Owens should never referee a Test again.
Well, on reflection, I think that Nigel should get the opportunity to referee again, because I’m sure he’d like to do a better job.
I do regret saying that, because he has been a great servant to the game, but I thought that his performance was very poor that night.
Australia has got a particularly poor record with Nigel as a referee and I didn’t think that All Blacks 37, Wallabies 10 was reflective of how close the game was.
Key moments in games can have a massive impact on the result and the Henry Speight no-try decision was a key moment.
MY SIDELINE EYE
I was sitting on the Eden Park 22m line for that incident and in the lead-up to that break, Kieran Read changed his line to block Dane Haylett-Petty.
Both Read and Julian Savea grab Haylett-Petty but the Kiwi crowd was incensed as the host broadcaster kept showing replays of the Haylett-Petty/Savea contact on the big screen.
They don’t go back two seconds before to show that it should have been advantage to Australia because Haylett-Petty was pulled back.
EVEN THE KIWIS THOUGHT IT STUNK
I went back and listened to the New Zealand commentary and had a beer with Justin Marshall afterwards — he was adamant that it was a try.
Their whole commentary team thought it was a try — they couldn’t believe the try was overturned.
Jonathan Kaplan came out, everyone believed it was a try — there was no chance Savea was going to make that tackle.
Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction.
NOT THE ONLY HOWLER
Making matters worse was the fact that a Savea try was allowed to stand after Scott Sio had his heels clipped by Aaron Cruden.
I thought both the Speight and Savea tries should have been awarded but where is the consistency?
Sio was in a position to pick that ball up but there were no replays at the ground and all of a sudden Cruden has kicked the conversion before the referee and TMO Shaun Veldsman can review it.
Cruden’s trip was accidental but he obstructed a player by changing his line and to a player who was going for the ball.
You can’t apply the law on one instance, when it suits the All Blacks and the local crowd, and not apply it in the same game, 10 minutes later for the other team.
MY TAKE ON CLOWN-GATE
The All Blacks aren’t in control of what the media write, but they’ve got a close relationship with the New Zealand Herald.
There are stories in the Herald that are very closely linked to the All Blacks — but I’m not suggesting they had anything to do with that Michael Cheika clown cartoon.
It’s a bit of foolish fun but I was also disappointed with the ‘Richetty Grub’ dig at Richie McCaw in Australian papers last year.
I don’t think that’s respectful to one of the great players of the game.
I’ve been a great supporter of McCaw’s over the years, he’s one of the greatest footballers I’ve ever had the privilege to watch.
This is an amazing All Blacks team but rugby probably doesn’t need this sideshow.
REASONS FOR HOPE
All of the drama has overshadowed what was a much improved performance by the Wallabies.
We had seven players with less than nine caps in our starting XV which is remarkably inexperienced.
They played with no fear and were in the contest, right up until the Speight no-try.
I know people will say we got beaten by 27 points — but moments like that in Test matches can change momentum.
This Wallabies team were very close.
We tested the All Blacks like they haven’t been tested for some time and that’s a really good sign.
I’ve got a lot of hope for the tour of Europe.
I don't see a whole lot wrong wtih that article? He apologises for something he said but stands by the claim that he and his NZ peers thought it was a try?
Ermmm...where exactly is the apology?
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@Unite said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Rod Kafer column: Nigel Owens was very poor and changed the course of the Test match
Source: FOX SPORTS
IN the heat of battle on Saturday night I said that Nigel Owens should never referee a Test again.
Well, on reflection, I think that Nigel should get the opportunity to referee again, because I’m sure he’d like to do a better job.
I do regret saying that, because he has been a great servant to the game, but I thought that his performance was very poor that night.
Australia has got a particularly poor record with Nigel as a referee and I didn’t think that All Blacks 37, Wallabies 10 was reflective of how close the game was.
Key moments in games can have a massive impact on the result and the Henry Speight no-try decision was a key moment.
MY SIDELINE EYE
I was sitting on the Eden Park 22m line for that incident and in the lead-up to that break, Kieran Read changed his line to block Dane Haylett-Petty.
Both Read and Julian Savea grab Haylett-Petty but the Kiwi crowd was incensed as the host broadcaster kept showing replays of the Haylett-Petty/Savea contact on the big screen.
They don’t go back two seconds before to show that it should have been advantage to Australia because Haylett-Petty was pulled back.
EVEN THE KIWIS THOUGHT IT STUNK
I went back and listened to the New Zealand commentary and had a beer with Justin Marshall afterwards — he was adamant that it was a try.
Their whole commentary team thought it was a try — they couldn’t believe the try was overturned.
Jonathan Kaplan came out, everyone believed it was a try — there was no chance Savea was going to make that tackle.
Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction.
NOT THE ONLY HOWLER
Making matters worse was the fact that a Savea try was allowed to stand after Scott Sio had his heels clipped by Aaron Cruden.
I thought both the Speight and Savea tries should have been awarded but where is the consistency?
Sio was in a position to pick that ball up but there were no replays at the ground and all of a sudden Cruden has kicked the conversion before the referee and TMO Shaun Veldsman can review it.
Cruden’s trip was accidental but he obstructed a player by changing his line and to a player who was going for the ball.
You can’t apply the law on one instance, when it suits the All Blacks and the local crowd, and not apply it in the same game, 10 minutes later for the other team.
MY TAKE ON CLOWN-GATE
The All Blacks aren’t in control of what the media write, but they’ve got a close relationship with the New Zealand Herald.
There are stories in the Herald that are very closely linked to the All Blacks — but I’m not suggesting they had anything to do with that Michael Cheika clown cartoon.
It’s a bit of foolish fun but I was also disappointed with the ‘Richetty Grub’ dig at Richie McCaw in Australian papers last year.
I don’t think that’s respectful to one of the great players of the game.
I’ve been a great supporter of McCaw’s over the years, he’s one of the greatest footballers I’ve ever had the privilege to watch.
This is an amazing All Blacks team but rugby probably doesn’t need this sideshow.
REASONS FOR HOPE
All of the drama has overshadowed what was a much improved performance by the Wallabies.
We had seven players with less than nine caps in our starting XV which is remarkably inexperienced.
They played with no fear and were in the contest, right up until the Speight no-try.
I know people will say we got beaten by 27 points — but moments like that in Test matches can change momentum.
This Wallabies team were very close.
We tested the All Blacks like they haven’t been tested for some time and that’s a really good sign.
I’ve got a lot of hope for the tour of Europe.
I don't see a whole lot wrong wtih that article? He apologises for something he said but stands by the claim that he and his NZ peers thought it was a try?
I don't see a whole lot wrong wtih that article? He apologises for something he said but stands by the claim that he and his NZ peers thought it was a try?
He's basically calling the best referee in the world a cheat, albeit subtly.
Blames the loss on Owens, and then implies that other losses under Owens were his fault too.
Now where is that respect for the opposition he was bleating about earlier?
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@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Unite said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Rod Kafer column: Nigel Owens was very poor and changed the course of the Test match
Source: FOX SPORTS
IN the heat of battle on Saturday night I said that Nigel Owens should never referee a Test again.
Well, on reflection, I think that Nigel should get the opportunity to referee again, because I’m sure he’d like to do a better job.
I do regret saying that, because he has been a great servant to the game, but I thought that his performance was very poor that night.
Australia has got a particularly poor record with Nigel as a referee and I didn’t think that All Blacks 37, Wallabies 10 was reflective of how close the game was.
Key moments in games can have a massive impact on the result and the Henry Speight no-try decision was a key moment.
MY SIDELINE EYE
I was sitting on the Eden Park 22m line for that incident and in the lead-up to that break, Kieran Read changed his line to block Dane Haylett-Petty.
Both Read and Julian Savea grab Haylett-Petty but the Kiwi crowd was incensed as the host broadcaster kept showing replays of the Haylett-Petty/Savea contact on the big screen.
They don’t go back two seconds before to show that it should have been advantage to Australia because Haylett-Petty was pulled back.
EVEN THE KIWIS THOUGHT IT STUNK
I went back and listened to the New Zealand commentary and had a beer with Justin Marshall afterwards — he was adamant that it was a try.
Their whole commentary team thought it was a try — they couldn’t believe the try was overturned.
Jonathan Kaplan came out, everyone believed it was a try — there was no chance Savea was going to make that tackle.
Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction.
NOT THE ONLY HOWLER
Making matters worse was the fact that a Savea try was allowed to stand after Scott Sio had his heels clipped by Aaron Cruden.
I thought both the Speight and Savea tries should have been awarded but where is the consistency?
Sio was in a position to pick that ball up but there were no replays at the ground and all of a sudden Cruden has kicked the conversion before the referee and TMO Shaun Veldsman can review it.
Cruden’s trip was accidental but he obstructed a player by changing his line and to a player who was going for the ball.
You can’t apply the law on one instance, when it suits the All Blacks and the local crowd, and not apply it in the same game, 10 minutes later for the other team.
MY TAKE ON CLOWN-GATE
The All Blacks aren’t in control of what the media write, but they’ve got a close relationship with the New Zealand Herald.
There are stories in the Herald that are very closely linked to the All Blacks — but I’m not suggesting they had anything to do with that Michael Cheika clown cartoon.
It’s a bit of foolish fun but I was also disappointed with the ‘Richetty Grub’ dig at Richie McCaw in Australian papers last year.
I don’t think that’s respectful to one of the great players of the game.
I’ve been a great supporter of McCaw’s over the years, he’s one of the greatest footballers I’ve ever had the privilege to watch.
This is an amazing All Blacks team but rugby probably doesn’t need this sideshow.
REASONS FOR HOPE
All of the drama has overshadowed what was a much improved performance by the Wallabies.
We had seven players with less than nine caps in our starting XV which is remarkably inexperienced.
They played with no fear and were in the contest, right up until the Speight no-try.
I know people will say we got beaten by 27 points — but moments like that in Test matches can change momentum.
This Wallabies team were very close.
We tested the All Blacks like they haven’t been tested for some time and that’s a really good sign.
I’ve got a lot of hope for the tour of Europe.
I don't see a whole lot wrong wtih that article? He apologises for something he said but stands by the claim that he and his NZ peers thought it was a try?
Ermmm...where exactly is the apology?
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Unite said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Rod Kafer column: Nigel Owens was very poor and changed the course of the Test match
Source: FOX SPORTS
IN the heat of battle on Saturday night I said that Nigel Owens should never referee a Test again.
Well, on reflection, I think that Nigel should get the opportunity to referee again, because I’m sure he’d like to do a better job.
I do regret saying that, because he has been a great servant to the game, but I thought that his performance was very poor that night.
Australia has got a particularly poor record with Nigel as a referee and I didn’t think that All Blacks 37, Wallabies 10 was reflective of how close the game was.
Key moments in games can have a massive impact on the result and the Henry Speight no-try decision was a key moment.
MY SIDELINE EYE
I was sitting on the Eden Park 22m line for that incident and in the lead-up to that break, Kieran Read changed his line to block Dane Haylett-Petty.
Both Read and Julian Savea grab Haylett-Petty but the Kiwi crowd was incensed as the host broadcaster kept showing replays of the Haylett-Petty/Savea contact on the big screen.
They don’t go back two seconds before to show that it should have been advantage to Australia because Haylett-Petty was pulled back.
EVEN THE KIWIS THOUGHT IT STUNK
I went back and listened to the New Zealand commentary and had a beer with Justin Marshall afterwards — he was adamant that it was a try.
Their whole commentary team thought it was a try — they couldn’t believe the try was overturned.
Jonathan Kaplan came out, everyone believed it was a try — there was no chance Savea was going to make that tackle.
Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction.
NOT THE ONLY HOWLER
Making matters worse was the fact that a Savea try was allowed to stand after Scott Sio had his heels clipped by Aaron Cruden.
I thought both the Speight and Savea tries should have been awarded but where is the consistency?
Sio was in a position to pick that ball up but there were no replays at the ground and all of a sudden Cruden has kicked the conversion before the referee and TMO Shaun Veldsman can review it.
Cruden’s trip was accidental but he obstructed a player by changing his line and to a player who was going for the ball.
You can’t apply the law on one instance, when it suits the All Blacks and the local crowd, and not apply it in the same game, 10 minutes later for the other team.
MY TAKE ON CLOWN-GATE
The All Blacks aren’t in control of what the media write, but they’ve got a close relationship with the New Zealand Herald.
There are stories in the Herald that are very closely linked to the All Blacks — but I’m not suggesting they had anything to do with that Michael Cheika clown cartoon.
It’s a bit of foolish fun but I was also disappointed with the ‘Richetty Grub’ dig at Richie McCaw in Australian papers last year.
I don’t think that’s respectful to one of the great players of the game.
I’ve been a great supporter of McCaw’s over the years, he’s one of the greatest footballers I’ve ever had the privilege to watch.
This is an amazing All Blacks team but rugby probably doesn’t need this sideshow.
REASONS FOR HOPE
All of the drama has overshadowed what was a much improved performance by the Wallabies.
We had seven players with less than nine caps in our starting XV which is remarkably inexperienced.
They played with no fear and were in the contest, right up until the Speight no-try.
I know people will say we got beaten by 27 points — but moments like that in Test matches can change momentum.
This Wallabies team were very close.
We tested the All Blacks like they haven’t been tested for some time and that’s a really good sign.
I’ve got a lot of hope for the tour of Europe.
I don't see a whole lot wrong wtih that article? He apologises for something he said but stands by the claim that he and his NZ peers thought it was a try?
Ermmm...where exactly is the apology?
Have to agree. It is as childish as Cheika. Full of excuses and condescending as all hell.
"Owens should get another chance to referee" WTF! The world's best ref, knows the Laws and how to manage a game 20x better than Kafer does yet Kafer gets to call on his suitability to ref?
I notice the complete lack of analysis on the Coles no try as well. I guarantee that if the two non tries were the other way around, the Aussies would be bitching that their player was impeded and had an arm wrapped around him restricting his ability to reach for the ball plus 'suck it up kiwis your guy can't take out our chaser.
If you want to start whinging about referee decisions then speak up about the ones that go in your favour. Scotland anyone? -
How does he call him a cheat? Even subtely?
He thinks he had a bad match but that isn't calling him a cheat?
I think the ole kiwi whine about a whine is in overdrive at the moment!
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How does he call him a cheat? Even subtely?
He thinks he had a bad match but that isn't calling him a cheat?
I think the ole kiwi whine about a whine is in overdrive at the moment!
@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
How does he call him a cheat? Even subtely?
He thinks he had a bad match but that isn't calling him a cheat?
I think the ole kiwi whine about a whine is in overdrive at the moment!
Personally I am not whining about anything. I do however find it incredibly funny. I love hearing Aussies whine, and even better when they write articles demanding change to a process just after the process supposedly hurt them. HOT TAKES!
As for Kafer... meh... he is still grumpy, and his attempts at snide criticism and bleating are clearly good enough to fool some. so good on him. He is catering to a low denominator. -
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@booboo I just found another to add to the list from 2010 (plus another from Clancy).
So of our 3 losses since RWC 2011, Barnes x 2, Clancy x1. Slightly sporadic check prior to that found another from Barnes in 2010 and another from Clancy. One from Goddard, one from Joubert and one from Owens.
As you say it's pretty tough to check, I just used a combo of wikipedia fixtures list to see the results then to NZH fixtures to check the actual games - have at it!
Edit: as I think @gollum said, NZR website should have this info readily available, but is shit and just takes you to news stories for each match.
They do in the statsallblacks section: http://stats.allblacks.com/default.asp
Kafe has completely lost the plot with article, he's just doubling down on stupid. He's whining in one section that Read should be penalised for an action and then in the very next arguing that DHP shouldn't be. Bonkers.
"Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction."
I find it odd that the Aussies can watch that footage, yet not see DHP change his line and then push Savea.
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Kafe has completely lost the plot with article, he's just doubling down on stupid. He's whining in one section that Read should be penalised for an action and then in the very next arguing that DHP shouldn't be. Bonkers.
"Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction."
I find it odd that the Aussies can watch that footage, yet not see DHP change his line and then push Savea.
it's not complicated nepia - either it's a try to australia or it's a penalty to australia for obstruction - if the rules are applied consistently in whichever direction.
i reckon it's a shit call, but it obviously doesn't matter much in the context of a flogging, and i would have forgotten about it by now if there weren't so many people on here doing their impersonation of kafer from our side. -
How does he call him a cheat? Even subtely?
He thinks he had a bad match but that isn't calling him a cheat?
I think the ole kiwi whine about a whine is in overdrive at the moment!
@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
How does he call him a cheat? Even subtely?
He thinks he had a bad match but that isn't calling him a cheat?
I think the ole kiwi whine about a whine is in overdrive at the moment!
Where he talks about Aussie's previous record under Owens' He's, very subtly, implying the reason they lost is because Owens either made mistakes or has it in for the Wallabies. It's a siege mentality because they suck so much at the moment.
IMO, that's tantamount to calling Owens a cheat. At best it's dismissive, and yes, disrespectful of the opposition.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Kafe has completely lost the plot with article, he's just doubling down on stupid. He's whining in one section that Read should be penalised for an action and then in the very next arguing that DHP shouldn't be. Bonkers.
"Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction."
I find it odd that the Aussies can watch that footage, yet not see DHP change his line and then push Savea.
it's not complicated nepia - either it's a try to australia or it's a penalty to australia for obstruction - if the rules are applied consistently in whichever direction.
i reckon it's a shit call, but it obviously doesn't matter much in the context of a flogging, and i would have forgotten about it by now if there weren't so many people on here doing their impersonation of kafer from our side.@reprobate said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Kafe has completely lost the plot with article, he's just doubling down on stupid. He's whining in one section that Read should be penalised for an action and then in the very next arguing that DHP shouldn't be. Bonkers.
"Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction."
I find it odd that the Aussies can watch that footage, yet not see DHP change his line and then push Savea.
it's not complicated nepia - either it's a try to australia or it's a penalty to australia for obstruction - if the rules are applied consistently in whichever direction.
i reckon it's a shit call, but it obviously doesn't matter much in the context of a flogging, and i would have forgotten about it by now if there weren't so many people on here doing their impersonation of kafer from our side.Oh right so it's a shit call, because Aus shouldn't have got a try due to a previous infringement. Way to go with that logical reasoning. So if we're going to cater to this new thing of whataboutery, what infringements occurred before that? Or are we only counting back to the "penalty" for Aus?
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Kafe has completely lost the plot with article, he's just doubling down on stupid. He's whining in one section that Read should be penalised for an action and then in the very next arguing that DHP shouldn't be. Bonkers.
"Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction."
I find it odd that the Aussies can watch that footage, yet not see DHP change his line and then push Savea.
it's not complicated nepia - either it's a try to australia or it's a penalty to australia for obstruction - if the rules are applied consistently in whichever direction.
i reckon it's a shit call, but it obviously doesn't matter much in the context of a flogging, and i would have forgotten about it by now if there weren't so many people on here doing their impersonation of kafer from our side.Oh right so it's a shit call, because Aus shouldn't have got a try due to a previous infringement. Way to go with that logical reasoning. So if we're going to cater to this new thing of whataboutery, what infringements occurred before that? Or are we only counting back to the "penalty" for Aus?
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@Bones it's in the same movement mate, it's within the 2 rucks purview of the TMO, and it's the same offence.
@reprobate It occurred while Savea's teammate was scoring a try?
