Highlanders 2026
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@Kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2026:
@brodean i think its partially weve become quite conservative, lots of comments like "no need to rush him in"....or "let him get a couple of seasons under his belt".....where in the past i think we would have had a more "teenage superstar bursts onto the scene"
...but also the reality of pro sport, lots of players would have been on existing contracts
The existing contracts thing didn't seem to be an issue in the naughties and even for the tens. I agree with your first comment. Just far too conservative. Casey will be 23 next year so hes not even a teenager.
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@brodean said in Highlanders 2026:
@Kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2026:
@brodean i think its partially weve become quite conservative, lots of comments like "no need to rush him in"....or "let him get a couple of seasons under his belt".....where in the past i think we would have had a more "teenage superstar bursts onto the scene"
...but also the reality of pro sport, lots of players would have been on existing contracts
The existing contracts thing didn't seem to be an issue in the naughties and even for the tens. I agree with your first comment. Just far too conservative. Casey will be 23 next year so hes not even a teenager.
The contracting situation has changed though. Initially it was a year by year situation. It is what it is with Casey. He will get plenty of game time.
In terms of depth. We are in a better position than what we have been in recent years. Prop and 10 still a big problem. Outside back depth will rival the best in the comp. Especially if the young lads stand up well.
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@Grooter That’s blood money!
FWIW, I don’t think we’d need to improve much to crack the playoffs, but I think Tai Cribb being the 38th name has me extraordinarily underwhelmed.
This season will be a real test of JJ. I cross my fingers we give Stodart a proper go at 8.
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@Yeetyaah he had japan doing some great things around 2019 although they did stagnate afterwards, he still has an eye for talent Tito-Harris & Solomon, I mean he's always had an eye for talent Smith, Lima etc. Yes some of us did take it too easy on him last year, he has to deliver more than 3 fricking wins this coming season, he has 4 internationals, 6 NZ XV players and the 2 best backs from last nz 20s campaign. Basically if we struggle against say the Force again then that's when we'll know he's had his day
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@Grooter said in Highlanders 2026:
@Yeetyaah he had japan doing some great things around 2019 although they did stagnate afterwards, he still has an eye for talent Tito-Harris & Solomon, I mean he's always had an eye for talent Smith, Lima etc. Yes some of us did take it too easy on him last year, he has to deliver more than 3 fricking wins this coming season, he has 4 internationals, 6 NZ XV players and the 2 best backs from last nz 20s campaign. Basically if we struggle against say the Force again then that's when we'll know he's had his day
Well put.
We effectively only struggled against the Chiefs. With a shocker against the Crusaders, and a couple of poor performances against the Reds, Force and Brumbies, although they were still getable games. There were a lot of wins that were left on the table. Most of our loses could have been flipped into wins.
Have a look at the squads we had from 21 to 24. Some of those would have struggled to make NPC finals. This squad looks a lot stronger. Tight forwards and 10s are hard to find. We found a 10, his club refused to release him. Props are hard to find and develop. Bartlett is developing nicely though. I still have hopes for Wingham and hope he is in the WTG focusing on developing for the next year before coming back in fulltime the year after.
We have nice depth at 6 and 7. A few guys should have a go to nail down the 8 spot. It is wide open.
Tha halfbacks are great. The 10s are terrible. This isn't having a go at Millar. It is just looking at the group he is a part of.
I think Pasitoa has the potential to reignite his career. He was seen as one of the top talents over there. He could be the right man to be a playmaker at 12 beside any of the 10s (although hopefully Millar gets the first shot). That could give Jim a go at 13.
Our outside backs in my mind are as good as any group in NZ.
I think this playing group can win more than it loses. Some luck would be helpful. Which we didn't have a lot of this year.
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So the Depth Chart then?
Loosehead Prop: de Groot - Bartlett - Lienert-Brown
Tighthead Prop: Ma'u - Kautai - Ta'avao
Hooker: Taylor - Bell - Vikena - SouchonLock: Holland - Dunshea - Lavanini - Cribb - Haig - Stodart
Blindside: Howden - Haig - Stodart - Withy - Cribb
Openside: Withy - Lasaqa - Casey - Broughton
Number Eight: Stodart - Withy - Renton - BroughtonHalfback: Pledger - Fakatava - Lennox
First Five: Millar - Knewstubb - Robinson - Hurley - PasitoaSecond Five - Tavatavanawai - Te Hiwi - Pasitoa - Whaanga
Centre: Tele'a - Tavatavanawai - Whaanga - LoweWing: Tangitau - Nareki - Tito-Harris - Lowe - Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens - Solomon
Fullback: Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens - Hurley - Solomon -
@SouthernMann said in Highlanders 2026:
@Grooter said in Highlanders 2026:
@Yeetyaah he had japan doing some great things around 2019 although they did stagnate afterwards, he still has an eye for talent Tito-Harris & Solomon, I mean he's always had an eye for talent Smith, Lima etc. Yes some of us did take it too easy on him last year, he has to deliver more than 3 fricking wins this coming season, he has 4 internationals, 6 NZ XV players and the 2 best backs from last nz 20s campaign. Basically if we struggle against say the Force again then that's when we'll know he's had his day
Well put.
We effectively only struggled against the Chiefs. With a shocker against the Crusaders, and a couple of poor performances against the Reds, Force and Brumbies, although they were still getable games. There were a lot of wins that were left on the table. Most of our loses could have been flipped into wins.
Have a look at the squads we had from 21 to 24. Some of those would have struggled to make NPC finals. This squad looks a lot stronger. Tight forwards and 10s are hard to find. We found a 10, his club refused to release him. Props are hard to find and develop. Bartlett is developing nicely though. I still have hopes for Wingham and hope he is in the WTG focusing on developing for the next year before coming back in fulltime the year after.
We have nice depth at 6 and 7. A few guys should have a go to nail down the 8 spot. It is wide open.
Tha halfbacks are great. The 10s are terrible. This isn't having a go at Millar. It is just looking at the group he is a part of.
I think Pasitoa has the potential to reignite his career. He was seen as one of the top talents over there. He could be the right man to be a playmaker at 12 beside any of the 10s (although hopefully Millar gets the first shot). That could give Jim a go at 13.
Our outside backs in my mind are as good as any group in NZ.
I think this playing group can win more than it loses. Some luck would be helpful. Which we didn't have a lot of this year.
It’s a squad that is definitely capable of making the final 6 and upsetting someone in the quarters. I think that would be the A mark for the season.
What I’d like to see is the adoption of a sophisticated and modern game plan. We had the worst entry 22 conversion rate in the comp, and the worst opposition 22 conversion rate in the comp (I.e opponents found it the easiest to score against us). The Highlanders were the hardest working team (looking at the stats) but got the least amount of reward. I’d like to see a slicker, more tactical, and more effective gameplan. Gone are the days where you can outwork and be fitter to win.
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There are three major work ons with the on-field performances. Edge defence, ruck management and converting in the 22 when we make incursions.
It is a balance though. We also scored some of the best long-range broken play tries in the comp. We have some great young outside backs and they'll do some damage for us.
With the 22 management and attack. The big issue is the lack of attacking capability at 10. Pledger adds an attacking element. We are unlikely to see him as much as some fans may expect though. It is likely his game time will be carefully managed. Then there is 10, if Millar is our main 10, do we need to have a playmaking 12 beside him in Pasitoa. Pushing Jim out one to centre.
The ruck management, I feel should improve with some of the guys getting bigger and stronger.
Being caught short outwide if defence is a concern. Some of the tries especially scored by the Chiefs and Crusaders in the games they pumped us. Too often they would hold their structure go too wide and suddenly we'd have no one covering the outside 20m. This can't be repeated again next year.
The Wider Training Group will be confirmed at 2 PM.
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@SouthernMann Admittedly I haven't seen much of Pasitoa, but I'd stick with Jim at 12. Millar's lack of physical strength means he will benefit from a powerful bail-out option, and for a guy still finding his way at Super level an experienced level head and extremely consistent performer outside him is a big deal I reckon. The extra playmaking should come from 9, where you have 2 of the best in Fakatava and Pledger. If Kneepkens can come into first receiver a bit as an alternative option as well, I think that's a nice balance.
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WTG - all local except for Senita Lauaki.
No specialist first five cover. Muliaina will be on a NDC though and will likely spend time with the squad. Unless someone has nicked him.
Wingham
Lopas
Lolofie
Tengblad
Casey
Lauaki
Shearer
Grindlay
Harvey
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@handa457 said in Highlanders 2026:
Where was the wider training group announced? I can't see anything online. Also odd that' there's only nine players instead of Tweleve, and no Soucheon thought s few people were saying he would be part of the squad. Great to see Grindlay in there.
It will be announced at 2 PM.
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@SouthernMann thought that was the case. Assumed the early post meant they'd released early. Guess we'll know in a couple of minutes!
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@handa457 Souchon a journeymen, my uso A-One better to be in the environment yes he is still quite raw but at 21 has much time to learn and develop, potential is there, we've never really had a strong polynesian hooker that has succeeded long term so let's see if he can progress in time
guess at the end of the day as fan all you can do is multi up Tangitau & Pledger to score with the opposition winning and you'll come away with a victory of sorts most weeks
