England v All Blacks

[Victor Meldrew]

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

And Eddie Jones outsmarted us that night

I disagree. We were so fucking clueless the bloke running the West Looe Junior XV would have outsmarted us that night.

[booboo]

@DaGrubster said in England Vs All Blacks:

CLW, Josh Beehre and Caleb Tangitau added to the squad as training cover.

Finau and Jacobsen are heading home

Injured? Boo

[KiwiMurph]

@booboo said in England Vs All Blacks:

@DaGrubster said in England Vs All Blacks:

CLW, Josh Beehre and Caleb Tangitau added to the squad as training cover.

Finau and Jacobsen are heading home

Injured? Boo

Illness in the family for Finau - not injury

[booboo]

@KiwiMurph said in England Vs All Blacks:

@booboo said in England Vs All Blacks:

@DaGrubster said in England Vs All Blacks:

CLW, Josh Beehre and Caleb Tangitau added to the squad as training cover.

Finau and Jacobsen are heading home

Injured? Boo

Illness in the family for Finau - not injury

Still. Boo. I'm a fanboi. Would like to see him get a few tests in a row.

But given unavailability I'm on the Parker bandwagon (still think Finau has more potential).

[Grooter]

@DaGrubster said in England Vs All Blacks:

CLW, Josh Beehre and Caleb Tangitau added to the squad as training cover.

Finau and Jacobsen are heading home

Awesome that Tangitau has been brought into the environment he has "it"

[KiwiMurph]

@Grooter said in England Vs All Blacks:

@DaGrubster said in England Vs All Blacks:

CLW, Josh Beehre and Caleb Tangitau added to the squad as training cover.

Finau and Jacobsen are heading home

Awesome that Tangitau has been brought into the environment he has "it"

The Welsh shapes as the ideal test to debut him in

No need to risk Clarke getting another head knock.

[DaGrubster]

@KiwiMurph said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Grooter said in England Vs All Blacks:

@DaGrubster said in England Vs All Blacks:

CLW, Josh Beehre and Caleb Tangitau added to the squad as training cover.

Finau and Jacobsen are heading home

Awesome that Tangitau has been brought into the environment he has "it"

The Welsh shapes as the ideal test to debut him in

No need to risk Clarke getting another head knock.

He has looked very good this tour.

He will be there next year for sure

[junior]

@nonpartizan said in England Vs All Blacks:

@reprobate said in England Vs All Blacks:

@taniwharugby said in England Vs All Blacks:

@ACT-Crusader plus the software they have access to enables them to watch every lineout if they choose, look for patterns, then watch every ruck, how they respond in what part of the field.

Watching games in thier entirety would be rare these days I expect.

I'd really hope that isn't the case. The game has ebb and flow and every contest and every individual action by an opponent takes part within a context that matters.

Yeah, to be honest, I find when I watch highlights (even those 20 minutes long ones) I don't get much out of it. In fact I'd go as far as saying I have to see the match 2-3 times before I feel like I really have a very solid understanding of how the game played out.

Id actually love to know how much rugby professional.coaches watch in general. I would think aside from their upcoming opponents it would behoove them to watch at least 3-4 other matches a week just to see how teams are playing and get an idea of maybe upcoming opponents a month ahead of time. By that I'm talking about head coach not just some underling who is tasked with editing clips and being the tech whiz.

@nonpartizan said in England Vs All Blacks:

@reprobate said in England Vs All Blacks:

@taniwharugby said in England Vs All Blacks:

@ACT-Crusader plus the software they have access to enables them to watch every lineout if they choose, look for patterns, then watch every ruck, how they respond in what part of the field.

Watching games in thier entirety would be rare these days I expect.

I'd really hope that isn't the case. The game has ebb and flow and every contest and every individual action by an opponent takes part within a context that matters.

Yeah, to be honest, I find when I watch highlights (even those 20 minutes long ones) I don't get much out of it. In fact I'd go as far as saying I have to see the match 2-3 times before I feel like I really have a very solid understanding of how the game played out.

Id actually love to know how much rugby professional.coaches watch in general. I would think aside from their upcoming opponents it would behoove them to watch at least 3-4 other matches a week just to see how teams are playing and get an idea of maybe upcoming opponents a month ahead of time. By that I'm talking about head coach not just some underling who is tasked with editing clips and being the tech whiz.

It's also why selectors go and sit in the stands and watch matches live. Not saying Razor should be doing that, but there's obviously a limit to how much you can learn from video clipped up by an analyst. But perhaps that is the point when you have limited time between matches. You would hope what they're really looking for are any changes to what they normally do - because you'd expect they already have a decent idea about how England have been playing this year.

[nostrildamus]

@booboo said in England Vs All Blacks:

But given unavailability I'm on the Parker bandwagon (still think Finau has more potential).

If you are on the Parker bandwagon can you please pump the tyres? I was on the bandwagon initially but I suspect the slow jolts have pushed me off.

[game_film]

Interesting discussion point from Razor in the presser about kicking - that there’s more aerial contests and a different type of kicking in Test Matches than in SR.

Now, I’m pretty sure I watched the SR final this year and….

[W32]

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

And Eddie Jones outsmarted us that night

I disagree. We were so fucking clueless the bloke running the West Looe Junior XV would have outsmarted us that night.

You’re doing a disservice to the poms. They were just too good. The ABs kept expecting things to go their way and realized too late that they were going to have to earn it. It felt like they never really were in it.

[game_film]

@W32 Eddie didn’t have to outsmart anyone, because Hansen outsmarted himself.

[Catogrande]

England team announced. Advantage NZ.

England: Steward; Roebuck, Lawrence, Dingwall, Feyi-Waboso; Ford, Mitchell; Baxter, George, Heyes, Itoje, Coles, Pepper, Underhill, Earl
Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Genge, Stuart, Cunningham-South, T Curry, Pollock, Spencer, M Smith

[Bones]

Probably the lightest front row in a decade, plus the openside will take a decade to get around the field.

[Jet]

@game_film said in England Vs All Blacks:

Interesting discussion point from Razor in the presser about kicking - that there’s more aerial contests and a different type of kicking in Test Matches than in SR.

Now, I’m pretty sure I watched the SR final this year and….

The kicking definitely favours the attacking team since the escort rules changed.

The defending team endeavours to catch the ball rather than bat it back towards their own try line (unless you're Sevu Reece against Argentina), whereas the attacking team can embrace the chaos more by just getting an arm in there. Regaining possession, batting it back, a defending knock on or sloppy ball for opposition their own 22 are all net gains for the attacking team.

So I do think there is a bit more nuance to the aerial woes other than "our lads cant catch a cold".

[Darren]

@Catogrande said in England Vs All Blacks:

England team announced. Advantage NZ.

England: Steward; Roebuck, Lawrence, Dingwall, Feyi-Waboso; Ford, Mitchell; Baxter, George, Heyes, Itoje, Coles, Pepper, Underhill, Earl
Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Genge, Stuart, Cunningham-South, T Curry, Pollock, Spencer, M Smith

Advantage NZ? Why?
I'm not super familiar with all the English players.

[Victor Meldrew]

@W32 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

And Eddie Jones outsmarted us that night

I disagree. We were so fucking clueless the bloke running the West Looe Junior XV would have outsmarted us that night.

You’re doing a disservice to the poms. They were just too good. The ABs kept expecting things to go their way and realized too late that they were going to have to earn it. It felt like they never really were in it.

Oh, don't get me wrong, England absolutely way better than us that day.

But that was one of the most clueless AB performances I've seen,

[Catogrande]

@Darren said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Catogrande said in England Vs All Blacks:

England team announced. Advantage NZ.

England: Steward; Roebuck, Lawrence, Dingwall, Feyi-Waboso; Ford, Mitchell; Baxter, George, Heyes, Itoje, Coles, Pepper, Underhill, Earl
Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Genge, Stuart, Cunningham-South, T Curry, Pollock, Spencer, M Smith

Advantage NZ? Why?
I'm not super familiar with all the English players.

I'm probably being a little over pessimistic to be honest but...

Steward is usually a rock under the high ball but ponderous in defence and has poor one on one tackling against strike runners. Ford blows hot and cold in running the backline under pressure and is a turnstile in defence. Only two line out options in the starting XV. No bench cover for 11-14.

All of these are known-knowns and pretty easy to build a strategy for:

Run at Steward
Run at Ford
Pressurise Ford
Throw to the back of the line out.
Hope for an injury (obviously not a bad one, that would be unsportsmanlike like) to anyone in the three-quarters.

How to change that dynamic?

Start Curry at 6
Start F Smith at 10, leaving out Ford.
Leave Pollock off the bench
Add Arundell to the bench.

[pakman]

@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:

Probably the lightest front row in a decade, plus the openside will take a decade to get around the field.

Stevie B is saving the big boys for the Pom Squad.

[Catogrande]

@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:

Probably the lightest front row in a decade, plus the openside will take a decade to get around the field.

Stevie B is saving the big boys for the Pom Squad.

Please, please, please, stop this sort of bollocks. This is how "Bazball" came about.