England v All Blacks
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@Bones that Nonu guy is a prime example of a player that took time to develop, he ended up a handy player.
@taniwharugby said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones that Nonu guy is a prime example of a player that took time to develop, he ended up a handy player.
To be fair, both him and Kaino were cast aside!
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@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@brodean ok, but who's ready to go in our"problem" positions? How do you know until you try a player? If they don't perform from the get go, do they get dropped?
We would have cast aside quite a few players, even in McCaw's day.
Which are the problem positions?
@brodean said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
@brodean ok, but who's ready to go in our"problem" positions? How do you know until you try a player? If they don't perform from the get go, do they get dropped?
We would have cast aside quite a few players, even in McCaw's day.
Which are the problem positions?
Is there someone ready to go at 6? Yes please.
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I watched the full 2019 semi final between these two teams for the first time. That was an incredible performance by England. Hoping for something similar this weekend. Cant wait
@W32 said in England Vs All Blacks:
I watched the full 2019 semi final between these two teams for the first time. That was an incredible performance by England. Hoping for something similar this weekend. Cant wait
I will re-iterate several other comments - yeah, fuck you.
I was at that game, and it hurt.
I literally went out of my way to try and get beaten up by Japanese youths, and failed at even that.
Apologies for taking this personally, but... bad memories. Bad.I would say - "Nah, seriously, good luck", but - nope.
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The oddest feeling about seeing this team is that even when I'm not happy with a team I'm confident we're going to win. I looked at this, which isn't much different than a lot our teams this year (when I've been confident we're going to win) and I instantly thought we're gonna lose this one. Hopefully my pessimism is hugely misplaced.
Lee Germon Barrett is due a big game, hopefully this is it.
@Nepia said in England Vs All Blacks:
The oddest feeling about seeing this team is that even when I'm not happy with a team I'm confident we're going to win. I looked at this, which isn't much different than a lot our teams this year (when I've been confident we're going to win) and I instantly thought we're gonna lose this one. Hopefully my pessimism is hugely misplaced.
Lee Germon Barrett is due a big game, hopefully this is it.
Touchstone game for me. We seem to go to shit every now and then and this game is the chance to move on from that.
Interested in how we handle the inevitable periods when we play badly and hope we cope as well as we did in the Irish and Scottish Tests
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@W32 said in England Vs All Blacks:
I watched the full 2019 semi final between these two teams for the first time. That was an incredible performance by England. Hoping for something similar this weekend. Cant wait
I will re-iterate several other comments - yeah, fuck you.
I was at that game, and it hurt.
I literally went out of my way to try and get beaten up by Japanese youths, and failed at even that.
Apologies for taking this personally, but... bad memories. Bad.I would say - "Nah, seriously, good luck", but - nope.
@Kruse said in England Vs All Blacks:
@W32 said in England Vs All Blacks:
I watched the full 2019 semi final between these two teams for the first time. That was an incredible performance by England. Hoping for something similar this weekend. Cant wait
I will re-iterate several other comments - yeah, fuck you.
I was at that game, and it hurt.
> I literally went out of my way to try and get beaten up by Japanese youths, and failed at even that.
Apologies for taking this personally, but... bad memories. Bad.I would say - "Nah, seriously, good luck", but - nope.
Less easy to offend than people in Palmy ?
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@Nepia said in England Vs All Blacks:
The oddest feeling about seeing this team is that even when I'm not happy with a team I'm confident we're going to win. I looked at this, which isn't much different than a lot our teams this year (when I've been confident we're going to win) and I instantly thought we're gonna lose this one. Hopefully my pessimism is hugely misplaced.
Lee Germon Barrett is due a big game, hopefully this is it.
Touchstone game for me. We seem to go to shit every now and then and this game is the chance to move on from that.
Interested in how we handle the inevitable periods when we play badly and hope we cope as well as we did in the Irish and Scottish Tests
@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Nepia said in England Vs All Blacks:
The oddest feeling about seeing this team is that even when I'm not happy with a team I'm confident we're going to win. I looked at this, which isn't much different than a lot our teams this year (when I've been confident we're going to win) and I instantly thought we're gonna lose this one. Hopefully my pessimism is hugely misplaced.
Lee Germon Barrett is due a big game, hopefully this is it.
Touchstone game for me. We seem to go to shit every now and then and this game is the chance to move on from that.
Interested in how we handle the inevitable periods when we play badly and hope we cope as well as we did in the Irish and Scottish Tests
Same here. I see our tight 5 good enough. If the loosies handle this it's a step forward to the next WC.
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The oddest feeling about seeing this team is that even when I'm not happy with a team I'm confident we're going to win. I looked at this, which isn't much different than a lot our teams this year (when I've been confident we're going to win) and I instantly thought we're gonna lose this one. Hopefully my pessimism is hugely misplaced.
Lee Germon Barrett is due a big game, hopefully this is it.
@Nepia said in England Vs All Blacks:
I instantly thought we're gonna lose this one.
Yeah... I don't expect a win.
I've tried to explain to the seppos.. "I come from a place where I have a team I expect to win. 90% win-rate against anybody. Fuck y'all."
Don't have that any more. I'm kinda starting to understand how other people view sport. Don't particularly like it. -
@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Mauss I should have clocked that from the Gary Stevenson reference!
I like him. Not so much as an economist per se. More as a sort of modern-day court jester. He’s like a character that’s jumped out of Brant’s Das Narrenschiff, a beautiful, bat-eared clown in these increasingly feudalistic times.
@Mauss said in England Vs All Blacks:
@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Mauss I should have clocked that from the Gary Stevenson reference!
I like him. Not so much as an economist per se. More as a sort of modern-day court jester. He’s like a character that’s jumped out of Brant’s Das Narrenschiff, a beautiful, bat-eared clown in these increasingly feudalistic times.
Brant’s *Das Narrenschiff == Ship of Fools?
With those sorts of high level references you're the Goff Whitlam equivalent of a modern rugby analyst. I just hope you're not Rocky 'Renaissance Man' Elsom! -
@Nepia said in England Vs All Blacks:
I instantly thought we're gonna lose this one.
Yeah... I don't expect a win.
I've tried to explain to the seppos.. "I come from a place where I have a team I expect to win. 90% win-rate against anybody. Fuck y'all."
Don't have that any more. I'm kinda starting to understand how other people view sport. Don't particularly like it.@Kruse said in England Vs All Blacks:
Don't particularly like it.
Never change, Kruse. Sobriety is seriously over-rated.
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@Mauss said in England Vs All Blacks:
@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Mauss I should have clocked that from the Gary Stevenson reference!
I like him. Not so much as an economist per se. More as a sort of modern-day court jester. He’s like a character that’s jumped out of Brant’s Das Narrenschiff, a beautiful, bat-eared clown in these increasingly feudalistic times.
Brant’s *Das Narrenschiff == Ship of Fools?
With those sorts of high level references you're the Goff Whitlam equivalent of a modern rugby analyst. I just hope you're not Rocky 'Renaissance Man' Elsom!@nostrildamus said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Mauss said in England Vs All Blacks:
@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Mauss I should have clocked that from the Gary Stevenson reference!
I like him. Not so much as an economist per se. More as a sort of modern-day court jester. He’s like a character that’s jumped out of Brant’s Das Narrenschiff, a beautiful, bat-eared clown in these increasingly feudalistic times.
Brant’s *Das Narrenschiff == Ship of Fools?
With those sorts of high level references you're the Goff Whitlam equivalent of a modern rugby analyst. I just hope you're not Rocky 'Renaissance Man' Elsom!“The latest rugby analysis, now brought to you by the Service Pénitentiaire de Narbonne”?
I wish.
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That backline looks as mediocre as an Italian WW2 infantry division. Having said that, such is the retardation of the present batch they will probably win handily. Sadly I don't really give a shit either way. And to think I used to break into a cold sweat if we beat Japan by 100 points but let in one try.
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At least we have optimal bench impact with ALB there. Will have England quivering in fright when his pace, creativity and X factor are injected into the game.
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Interesting watching Aussie ex-hack David Pembroke’s podcast interview with two former Wallaby coaches in Eddie Jones and Ewen McKenzie on the prospects for England vs All Blacks this weekend. Jones reckons Borthwick has England 12 months ahead of the ABs in terms of development and believes they’ll have too much depth and power. He reckons it will be close, but England will take it by “a few”. McKenzie, however, likes the AB bench and believes they’ll have the lateral power to go around England to win by a couple of points. Both are highly critical on the use of cards in the autumn internationals. Jones says the English Rugby Union told him when he was there that they could sell Twickenham out three times over when the All Blacks come to play. But the people paying those high-priced tickets deserve to see 15-on-15, he said.
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The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.
England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.
@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:
The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.
England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.
I don't think we have the cattle (starting at least) to do that
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@game_film said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bovidae Leinster must be wishing they’d signed Proctor instead.
Why? He's hasn't been a star performer for the ABs this season and has less name brand recognition than Ioane.
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Some interesting comments by McCaw. Like what he says about being ready to play and him not liking the concept of 'developing as an All Black'. Example: Holland ready to go. Parker developing.
@brodean said in England Vs All Blacks:
Some interesting comments by McCaw. Like what he says about being ready to play and him not liking the concept of 'developing as an All Black'. Example: Holland ready to go. Parker developing.
Wise words indeed.
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I watched the full 2019 semi final between these two teams for the first time. That was an incredible performance by England. Hoping for something similar this weekend. Cant wait
@W32 said in England Vs All Blacks:
I watched the full 2019 semi final between these two teams for the first time. That was an incredible performance by England. Hoping for something similar this weekend. Cant wait
England caught ABs unawares and were well on top.
However, at about 60 minute mark ABs were in the ascendency and won an attacking lineout about 30 out.
What happened next has never been exactly clear, but Owen F tossed the ball away, at which point the usually very controlled Sam Whitelock gave him a good shove and OF dropped like a girl.
Cue ref awarding relieving penalty and England escaped to safety.
Notwithstanding the excellence of England, that one was very winnable.
And we knew how to beat Boks.
Still hurts.
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Bear in mind this is a Borthwick team. If we can get on top, I can't see they will have the belief they have the tools to work their way back. If they get on top, I wouldn't count against us coming back. Basically we're lucky he's coached less resolve into them than Razor has into the ABs.
@Bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
Bear in mind this is a Borthwick team. If we can get on top, I can't see they will have the belief they have the tools to work their way back. If they get on top, I wouldn't count against us coming back. Basically we're lucky he's coached less resolve into them than Razor has into the ABs.
those of you who take any notice of my posts will realise i am no fan of Borthwick but I am not sure this is a fair representation, I think resolve is probably the one thing he has managed to get into this environment. We've won some games late under him, we've stuck in games pretty well. My issue with him is that he can't coach rugby
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@nostrildamus said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Mauss said in England Vs All Blacks:
@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Mauss I should have clocked that from the Gary Stevenson reference!
I like him. Not so much as an economist per se. More as a sort of modern-day court jester. He’s like a character that’s jumped out of Brant’s Das Narrenschiff, a beautiful, bat-eared clown in these increasingly feudalistic times.
Brant’s *Das Narrenschiff == Ship of Fools?
With those sorts of high level references you're the Goff Whitlam equivalent of a modern rugby analyst. I just hope you're not Rocky 'Renaissance Man' Elsom!“The latest rugby analysis, now brought to you by the Service Pénitentiaire de Narbonne”?
I wish.
@Mauss said in England Vs All Blacks:
@nostrildamus said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Mauss said in England Vs All Blacks:
@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Mauss I should have clocked that from the Gary Stevenson reference!
I like him. Not so much as an economist per se. More as a sort of modern-day court jester. He’s like a character that’s jumped out of Brant’s Das Narrenschiff, a beautiful, bat-eared clown in these increasingly feudalistic times.
Brant’s *Das Narrenschiff == Ship of Fools?
With those sorts of high level references you're the Goff Whitlam equivalent of a modern rugby analyst. I just hope you're not Rocky 'Renaissance Man' Elsom!“The latest rugby analysis, now brought to you by the Service Pénitentiaire de Narbonne”?
I wish.
Je croyais qu'il était encore libre?
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@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:
The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.
England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.
I don't think we have the cattle (starting at least) to do that
@Dodge said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:
The Tupaea-Proctor midfield combo has played well together in the past.
England will be aiming to bully us up front (see the SA in Wellington example), so it is the forwards that will need to perform. The ABs can set the tone in the first scrum.
I don't think we have the cattle (starting at least) to do that
AB scrum will be a step up with Scooter back in engine room.
If Itoje at TH lock there is scope to attack hard there.
