England v All Blacks

[Victor Meldrew]

@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:

There are no excuses for Robertson to continue starting BB from here on. Again, injury might end up being the best selector, so let's see DMac at 10 and Love at 15 against Wales.

DMac and Love will play against Wales - ranked 12th and behind Italy & Fiji - to give BB a break. And BB will have recovered by the start of next year.

Sadly.

[Victor Meldrew]

@Kruse said in England Vs All Blacks:

media cock-sucking

A Fern original. I really like it.

[antipodean]

@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:

Walrus emerges from his dungeon to write some shit. It's actually not bad by his standards.

Is it because he largely speaks the truth that England were the better selected, better coached team?

[pourfasse]

Very poor choics in attack. It lacks a brain in the backline.

[African Monkey]

@Bovidae said in England Vs All Blacks:

@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:

Watching the post match. I always found Goldie to be an AB fan bois, but both he and Mils are increasingly critical of this team

I've always seen Wilson as the only one prepared to criticise the ABs.

Yeah same, never got the hate for him. If anything, it always felt like he's always ready to rip into them before getting a message through his earpiece from the producers to tone it down and be more PC.

[antipodean]

@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:

I've heard that Henry Pollock and co. go without caffeine all week, then chew strong caffeine gum on the bench before coming on.

Giving how fizzing with energy they were yesterday, I wonder if that isn't a trick we should copy?

That ranks well below selecting and coaching competently. Let's worry about the basics first before going after the 0.5% improvements.

[ACT Crusader]

@pourfasse said in England Vs All Blacks:

Very poor choics in attack. It lacks a brain in the backline.

I know we were bad, but now we are making up words to describe how bad we were

[Chris B.]

@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:

https://archive.is/S4Vno

`Paywalled, my video recorder still doesn't work, and the All Blacks are shit.

None of this fucking happened when my generation was in charge!

[Catogrande]

What to say about that game? Were England that good? I don't think so really. We only had a simple game plan although we did execute that well. Ford grew into the game and put us in teh right place, took the points when they were available. All very simple. I'm always really chuffed when we beat NZ but in truth, I'm almost a bit flat after that game. NZ looked clueless and that's a rarity.

Good points for England:

Physicality in the contact area
Kicking game and importantly the chasing game.
Lawrence owning the 13 shirt now

Bad points:

Lineout shambles
Discipline
A simple game plan is simple to counter so we need to add more.

[Bones]

@Catogrande yeah that's essentially it, a two score win against the second best team in the world, without getting out of 2nd gear.

[pakman]

@Victor-Meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:

@booboo said in England Vs All Blacks:

Is BB injured?

Sadly, no.

In fact, yes, which makes it worse.

[Chris B.]

@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:

I've heard that Henry Pollock and co. go without caffeine all week, then chew strong caffeine gum on the bench before coming on.

Giving how fizzing with energy they were yesterday, I wonder if that isn't a trick we should copy?

I've heard Joe Parker....

...probably not....

[pakman]

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Canes4life said in England Vs All Blacks:

@frugby said in England Vs All Blacks:

Billy Proctor ain’t the man I’m afraid

That was Tupaea’s man.

No it wasn’t. The overhead clearly showed it was Proctors and he reacted incredibly late. Hes done it plenty of times

If only they’d taken @bones advice and selected Reiko!

[Bones]

@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:

@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Canes4life said in England Vs All Blacks:

@frugby said in England Vs All Blacks:

Billy Proctor ain’t the man I’m afraid

That was Tupaea’s man.

No it wasn’t. The overhead clearly showed it was Proctors and he reacted incredibly late. Hes done it plenty of times

If only that taken @bones advice and selected Reiko!

I'm not sure I can claim that one...

[pakman]

@akan004 said in England Vs All Blacks:

Even our scrum is under pressure. Ratima is as stupid as they come, clear it FFS.

I have severe doubts about Lord’s scrummaging. No point in tank with four cylinder engine.

[Dodge]

@Catogrande said in England Vs All Blacks:

What to say about that game? Were England that good? I don't think so really. We only had a simple game plan although we did execute that well. Ford grew into the game and put us in teh right place, took the points when they were available. All very simple. I'm always really chuffed when we beat NZ but in truth, I'm almost a bit flat after that game. NZ looked clueless and that's a rarity.

Good points for England:

Physicality in the contact area
Kicking game and importantly the chasing game.
Lawrence owning the 13 shirt now

Bad points:

Lineout shambles
Discipline
A simple game plan is simple to counter so we need to add more.

Yep I feel the same. Still not sure we’re actually any good. Shame we’re not playing South Africa this autumn, would be an interesting level set, feels like they’re still some way above us.

Hope we dont rest on this performance and think the autumn is done. Argentina will be up for next week, we’d better be bang on it.

[pakman]

@ACT-Crusader said in England Vs All Blacks:

Lord played well.

But scrum toothless.

[Catogrande]

@Dodge

Agreed about the Argies being up for it. They will want to build on their huge win v Wales. I've got tickets for the game so we'd better bloody well be up for it.

[BerniesCorner]

There's a top down problem here.
I for one thought we had solved it post 2023. It's gonna be a rocky road.

[Tim]

Around 32:30 we nearly scored in the corner, then meekly allowed England to drive us off the ball. See if you can spot a loose forward in these pictures ... Savea stands way off the ruck and looks disinterested. Terrible openside. Absolutely shithouse selection. They never even looked interested in the follow-up ruck after LF was tackled.