England v All Blacks
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@tubbyj said in England Vs All Blacks:
I reckon you put Hoskin Satutu on the bench for England and they would have put another 2 tries on us in that second half..
Well, he wouldn't lack for motivation...
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@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
I don't generally watch or like The Breakdown. But this might be the best episode ever. Mils and Goldie are putting the boot into Razor and his group, NZR and the players. Their frustration and anger is palpable
Is Marshall on that? Isn't he pals with Razor?
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@nostrildamus said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
I don't generally watch or like The Breakdown. But this might be the best episode ever. Mils and Goldie are putting the boot into Razor and his group, NZR and the players. Their frustration and anger is palpable
Is Marshall on that? Isn't he pals with Razor?
No. It's Mils, Goldie and Beaver. Mils and Goldie are fucken pissed
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@MN5 said in England Vs All Blacks:
I know the result was tough to take but drinking on a TV show is very unprofessional.
I loved the Dave Allen Show. Maybe before your time, but his delivery and timing were spot on.
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The takeaways?
- Razor has had a comfortable ride compared to most AB coaches in his position. Our patience is running out We are finding out that what works at SR level doesn't work at test level
- NZR have a lot to answer for, placing commerce over on field success
- NZR have let quality coaches and the IP that they possess leave taking it all with them to share with the world. A lot of these coaches don't want a bar of NZR now
- We seem badly prepared and unable to execute in the pressure moments
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The one thing that would have helped the Breakdowns cause would have been some analysis.
Whilst their points were valid sometimes this type of dialogue can just be dismissed as emotional and reactive on the back.of a loss.
They need to put together a highlights reel that exposes the flaws in the coaching. Just pick 5 plays, break them down frame by frame and really put the coaching staff under the microscope. It could be maul defence, BB kicking, the soak tackles..... Just pick a theme and pose the equation - why does this never improve?
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Anyone seen the NZR contract with Razor? I assume it is hard to do anything before 2027RWC?
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@nonpartizan Fair point. The discussion was good, and warranted, but they didn’t show much action from the game at all when there were some really obvious things that could have been included.
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@nostrildamus said in England Vs All Blacks:
@tubbyj said in England Vs All Blacks:
I reckon you put Hoskin Satutu on the bench for England and they would have put another 2 tries on us in that second half..
Well, he wouldn't lack for motivation...
Probably feels like he's going to be joining a superior team as well...
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@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
Probably feels like he's going to be joining a superior team as well...
Ooh and I thought I was a little bit bitter!
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@nostrildamus said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
Probably feels like he's going to be joining a superior team as well...
Ooh and I thought I was a little bit bitter!
Hoskins says look at the scoreboard
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@hikastags said in England Vs All Blacks:
I enjoyed this weeks Breakdown show... Goldie & Mils were great. Good to hear some truths instead of bullshit.
Kirsty picks out stupid questions though. We don't need to hear rubbish about opening the eligibility laws every time we lose.
Yeah that question is annoying because its not grounded in reality. There aren't tons of players playing outside NZ that would improve the team more than just having a competent and thorough coaching set up. Secondly other countries have a lot of conflict between club and country over access to players that undermines the national team.
To me it's a total red herring.
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its been fun to watch South African twitter blow up since Saturday, they seem furious that England have won 10 in a row and think they're making progress. I've seen people write off this team because they've only won against the big teams at home, ignoring the two games in Argentina. We only just beat France and Scotland, australia and NZ are shit so it doesn't count etc etc
I don't think any England fan thinks we're as good as South Africa, but it makes a pleasant change to be winning. Nice to be the focus of SA ire again.
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@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
@nostrildamus said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
Probably feels like he's going to be joining a superior team as well...
Ooh and I thought I was a little bit bitter!
Hoskins says look at the scoreboard
33-19
He good enough to break into the England loose forward group?
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@booboo said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
@nostrildamus said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
Probably feels like he's going to be joining a superior team as well...
Ooh and I thought I was a little bit bitter!
Hoskins says look at the scoreboard
33-19
He good enough to break into the England loose forward group?
No
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@booboo said in England Vs All Blacks:
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He good enough to break into the England loose forward group?
This was discussed here a few months ago and some weren't convinced he would be. If I was coach of England I'd be tempted to select and play him against the ABs though. Even if just for psychological reasons
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@booboo said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
@nostrildamus said in England Vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
Probably feels like he's going to be joining a superior team as well...
Ooh and I thought I was a little bit bitter!
Hoskins says look at the scoreboard
33-19
He good enough to break into the England loose forward group?
If you believe MSM Borthwick wants him for his team playing No 8
