FFS get a grip
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life the scoreboard on Saturday is an indictment. With competent substitution we’d have been 17-5 or more up at halftime. Mind you I don’t place that much store on that because English were pants.
what do you mean by this?
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life the scoreboard on Saturday is an indictment. With competent substitution we’d have been 17-5 or more up at halftime. Mind you I don’t place that much store on that because English were pants.
The poms blew definitely 2 maybe 3 try scoring opportunities in the first half, and couldn't win a lineout. We were not good at all.
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credit where it's due, our defensive lineout was fucking ace on the weekend, and the scrum was good right up until the card.
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@mariner4life said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life the scoreboard on Saturday is an indictment. With competent substitution we’d have been 17-5 or more up at halftime. Mind you I don’t place that much store on that because English were pants.
what do you mean by this?
When your 10 can neither kick for touch nor take shots at goal competent substitution would be to replace him with someone who can.
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
When we get behind (as all teams do occasionally) we just need to work through our processes and let our superiority count. NO NEED FOR MIRACLE PLAYS.
of all this sort of weird rant, this is the bit that stands out as being the issue.
our "processes" are actually the problem and contributing enormously to why we are failing. The process, on either side of the ball, seem to be adding pressure to ourselves rather than the opposition.
What, exactly, is this superiority you think we just need fall back on? Our powerful forwards? Superior kicking accuracy? Fast, creative backs? what exactly is it you see that i don't? -
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life the scoreboard on Saturday is an indictment. With competent substitution we’d have been 17-5 or more up at halftime. Mind you I don’t place that much store on that because English were pants.
what do you mean by this?
When your 10 can neither kick for touch nor take shots at goal competent substitution would be to replace him with someone who can.
the problem is playing him at all. He's the very definition of washed. which goes back to the issues that everyone is talking about and you seem to be ignoring.
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@mariner4life the lineout is our only area of superiority.
Edit: and only with Taylor on. -
@reprobate said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life the lineout is our only area of superiority.
Edit: and only with Taylor on.ah, edit got me. it is right up until it's not.
Also we make the weirdest lineout calls at crucial times. Most of the time we run a pretty simple but effective set of movements, but then when we feel pressure we resort to overly complicated, three movement calls that we seem to fuck up more than we win.
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@mariner4life said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
When we get behind (as all teams do occasionally) we just need to work through our processes and let our superiority count. NO NEED FOR MIRACLE PLAYS.
of all this sort of weird rant, this is the bit that stands out as being the issue.
our "processes" are actually the problem and contributing enormously to why we are failing. The process, on either side of the ball, seem to be adding pressure to ourselves rather than the opposition.
What, exactly, is this superiority you think we just need fall back on? Our powerful forwards? Superior kicking accuracy? Fast, creative backs? what exactly is it you see that i don't?That’s a very broad question. But in general phase play ABs are very good at finding and exploiting space, and historically very efficient at finishing opportunities.
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
When we get behind (as all teams do occasionally) we just need to work through our processes and let our superiority count. NO NEED FOR MIRACLE PLAYS.
of all this sort of weird rant, this is the bit that stands out as being the issue.
our "processes" are actually the problem and contributing enormously to why we are failing. The process, on either side of the ball, seem to be adding pressure to ourselves rather than the opposition.
What, exactly, is this superiority you think we just need fall back on? Our powerful forwards? Superior kicking accuracy? Fast, creative backs? what exactly is it you see that i don't?That’s a very broad question. But in general phase play ABs are very good at finding and exploiting space, and historically very efficient at finishing opportunities.
the 2025 team i firmly disagree.
historically? yes
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
When we get behind (as all teams do occasionally) we just need to work through our processes and let our superiority count. NO NEED FOR MIRACLE PLAYS.
of all this sort of weird rant, this is the bit that stands out as being the issue.
our "processes" are actually the problem and contributing enormously to why we are failing. The process, on either side of the ball, seem to be adding pressure to ourselves rather than the opposition.
What, exactly, is this superiority you think we just need fall back on? Our powerful forwards? Superior kicking accuracy? Fast, creative backs? what exactly is it you see that i don't?That’s a very broad question. But in general phase play ABs are very good at finding and exploiting space, and historically very efficient at finishing opportunities.
im not sure if youre watching replays from several years ago or what
for the last several years we've hugely struggled to get the ball into space, largely due to some slow passing from previous 9's and current 10's....a rushing defence shuts us down quick...unless you mean the kick passes that come off 1/4 times?
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
I think we can both agree that 2025 edition is well below historical levels at this.
so what the fuck are you actually talking about then?
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@mariner4life said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life the scoreboard on Saturday is an indictment. With competent substitution we’d have been 17-5 or more up at halftime. Mind you I don’t place that much store on that because English were pants.
what do you mean by this?
When your 10 can neither kick for touch nor take shots at goal competent substitution would be to replace him with someone who can.
the problem is playing him at all. He's the very definition of washed. which goes back to the issues that everyone is talking about and you seem to be ignoring.
He may be washed but hes always been best as impact player because he doesn't have the ability to focus for more than 40 or 50 minutes. One of Razor's mistakes last year was seeing BB make an impact off the bench and then thinking that will translate to 80 minutes of quality play.
Through his career hes often played well for periods before deteriorating into random brain farts.
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Two of Englands tries in the weekend came from individual defensive lapses from Carter and Tupaea. I like Tupaea but its not the first time this year hes done that.
Overall Carter is no better than Reece.
I disagree that we've got the right selection mix. The current 23 are not the best 23 we can field injuries excluded.
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@mariner4life said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
I think we can both agree that 2025 edition is well below historical levels at this.
so what the fuck are you actually talking about then?
It’s a question of degree. The 2025 version is still better than almost all of the other top teams at creating and exploiting space.
The problem is when we turn the dial up to 11.
That’s how Poms scored last try and why the Boks in Wellington ran in so many tries in the last 15.
Your men Barrett and Savea very prominent in that.
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ok, we fundamentally disagree on where this team is, I'll leave it there
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
I think we can both agree that 2025 edition is well below historical levels at this.
so what the fuck are you actually talking about then?
It’s a question of degree. The 2025 version is still better than almost all of the other top teams at creating and exploiting space.
i have no idea how to reconcile this what what i actually see each week, i would say our wings have been STARVED of time and space for years....years since our wings would regularly get more than 5-10m of space to get up head of steam, IF the ball makes to the the wing they are almost immediately looking at contact
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@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
@mariner4life said in FFS get a grip:
@pakman said in FFS get a grip:
I think we can both agree that 2025 edition is well below historical levels at this.
so what the fuck are you actually talking about then?
It’s a question of degree. The 2025 version is still better than almost all of the other top teams at creating and exploiting space.
Hard disagree. South Africa, Australia, Argentina, France, probably Scotland and quite possibly England too are better at this right now. Given our history, it is a horrible weakness at present.
