England v All Blacks
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@Victor-Meldrew There's a long passage in McCaw's book that says his attitude was before and during the game it was binary. Your job was to win and make the opposition lose.
After the game, you're all Rugby players together and it's time to forge friendships.
Long may those values continue. The game is bigger than any player, even the
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@Bones said in England v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in England v All Blacks:
@Bones said in England v All Blacks:
And Slipper isn't Ben Slipper?
No. His brother Clutch
I'm really struggling to reconcile someone calling another post horseshit when their own post talks about RM celebrating players hitting their hundred after RM retired, in some cases many years. What am I misreading?
The original post
"Conor Murray tells the story of how it was O'Mahoney going in to get McCaws jersey after the 60-0 drubbing in Hamilton in 2012 and Nonu refused him entry.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in England v All Blacks:
@Bones said in England v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in England v All Blacks:
@Bones said in England v All Blacks:
And Slipper isn't Ben Slipper?
No. His brother Clutch
I'm really struggling to reconcile someone calling another post horseshit when their own post talks about RM celebrating players hitting their hundred after RM retired, in some cases many years. What am I misreading?
The original post
"Conor Murray tells the story of how it was O'Mahoney going in to get McCaws jersey after the 60-0 drubbing in Hamilton in 2012 and Nonu refused him entry.
Your response.
McCaw's AB's were known for getting together with the opposition - giving presentations to new caps playing against them and post-match public presentations to opposing players reaching 100 Tests (Habana, Slipper, AWJ etc)
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Well that was an argument that polarised things wasn't it?
FWIW, my two pennyworth.
Win, lose or draw. You act with dignity. You don't decide whether to swap shirts, have a beer or a chat with the opposition dependent upon the result or how sulky your fans might be in their judgement of your "commitment".
The Nonu story? I don't know if it is true or not but from what I have come to expect from the man, it was firstly, unlikely and secondly if it was true then he would have had a good reason to be that unreasonable.
The TikTok dance thing: well it turns out that the TikTok dances were actually fines for whatever made up misdemeanours hade been judged upon, the Freeman one got exposure whereas all the others got binned pretty quickly. In today's SM world, once it's out there, then it's out there.
The Savea floor sweeping? Haven't seen it, don't want to see it, but if it is an "official" AB fluff piece that is on NZR and not on Savea.
In short boys and girls, have a bit of understanding, judge the guys on their performances by all means but let them be normal guys after the game.
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@SammyC said in England v All Blacks:
Colin meads used to make a point of taking beers into the opposition sheds after the game
yeah but what did he know about being a hard fluffybunny
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there are few things i hate more than the "this is why rugby is the greatest game of all" wankery that on-line rugby fans absolutely loooove to indulge in when ever any rugby player acts even remotely like a normal human being.
but holy shit, the very foundation of the game is beat the piss out of each other for 80 minutes, shake hands and get a beer. If we could do it when rucking was allowed and punches got warnings, then we should absolutely do it in the modern day "no one can get hurt" era.
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Are we looking for things to whinge about? So there is a post of Ardie sweeping the floor, or Poms dancing etc.
FFS everyone just surely does what suits them and I can't really see why it getting a few panties all twisted.
If you want to have a talk with opposition after game, great, if you don't also great.
I will give example, when I first went to Aussie and got talked into coaching, at the first preseason game the players all lined up and shook hands before the game! After the game ,I asked what the story was, and was told that's what they do over there. I quietly explained that no f***en team I coached would shake hands before the game, and I expected every player to shake hands and hopefully have a beer after the game, with the survivors , they would remember it!.
I wasn't even happy with players talking to opposition before game if it came to that.I know probably showing age etc, but f*** it, standards fellas!
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@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
Are we looking for things to whinge about? So there is a post of Ardie sweeping the floor, or Poms dancing etc.
FFS everyone just surely does what suits them and I can't really see why it getting a few panties all twisted.
If you want to have a talk with opposition after game, great, if you don't also great.
I will give example, when I first went to Aussie and got talked into coaching, at the first preseason game the players all lined up and shook hands before the game! After the game ,I asked what the story was, and was told that's what they do over there. I quietly explained that no f***en team I coached would shake hands before the game, and I expected every player to shake hands and hopefully have a beer after the game, with the survivors , they would remember it!.
I wasn't even happy with players talking to opposition before game if it came to that.I know probably showing age etc, but f*** it, standards fellas!
The first standard I judge loose forwards by is ruck involvement.
In of itself the SM post is fine, but taking in the wider perspective the picture tells a different story.
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@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
the players all lined up and shook hands before the game
that took a bit of getting used to
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@mariner4life said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
the players all lined up and shook hands before the game
that took a bit of getting used to
As I said, my team stopped it from that day on, and they never did it again that I was aware of in years I was at club (about 20). as did the 'B's and colts although a ref once insisted the colts did shake hands before game once that I knew of.
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@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
Cleaning up after yourself is basically a good thing. Recording it and posting it to social media to get congratulated for it is fucked up.
Geez mate when I played , scoring a try or winning a ruck was a good thing, but needing to celebrate (high fives etc)was f***ed up in our minds, but if players today wish to do it, up to them.
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@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
Cleaning up after yourself is basically a good thing. Recording it and posting it to social media to get congratulated for it is fucked up.
Geez mate when I played , scoring a try or winning a ruck was a good thing, but needing to celebrate (high fives etc)was f***ed up in our minds, but if players today wish to do it, up to them.
All I saying times change etc.So he's celebrating cleaning the sheds?
It just comes across as the worst 'look how humble i am, doing this menial job when I'm a superstar'. whether it is him or NZR doing it, just fucking stop it. Doing it is a good thing, deliberately publicising it for praise is cringeworthy and about the least NZ thing I've ever heard of. -
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
@Dan54 said in England v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in England v All Blacks:
Cleaning up after yourself is basically a good thing. Recording it and posting it to social media to get congratulated for it is fucked up.
Geez mate when I played , scoring a try or winning a ruck was a good thing, but needing to celebrate (high fives etc)was f***ed up in our minds, but if players today wish to do it, up to them.
All I saying times change etc.So he's celebrating cleaning the sheds?
It just comes across as the worst 'look how humble i am, doing this menial job when I'm a superstar'. whether it is him or NZR doing it, just fucking stop it. Doing it is a good thing, deliberately publicising it for praise is cringeworthy and about the least NZ thing I've ever heard of.Ok, well as I have only seen it on here, and it upsets some, so be it. Go crook at who posted it on here too if it upsets you. I understand what you saying etc, and not really knocking you mate.
I may just be fortunate that these don't overly worry me, just shrug my shoulders and figure I got bigger things to upset me.
